Luke Beveridge

[Bald]

I'd say outside of Clarkson and Simpson, he'd be the most sought after coach should he ever give up coaching the Dogs. Something to be said about a guy that can win a flag mostly from coaching ability. Sure, the team has taken a few steps back since then, but if winning a flag results in that, ask a St Kilda, Melbourne or Carlton fan (hell ask most the league) if they'd take it..

 

[Adz]

A loss today is going to ramp up the heat.

 

[Damon_3388]

I honestly don't think the Dogs have a top 8 list right now.

Consider the players they have that are actually in that prime age range (25-29 years old, born 1990-1994):

Sam Lloyd
Jackson Trengove
Taylor Duryea
Tom Liberatore
Mitch Wallis
Jason Johannisen
Fletcher Roberts
Lin Jong
Hayden Crozier
Jackson Macrae
Lachie Hunter

A range of average-to-good footballers there, but not really an eye-popping group of prime talent across the field, either.

A lot of their list and regulars are still very young. I'd stick with Beveridge, and let him guide them through, and see where things are at a couple of years from now. I'm not sure another coach would be getting more out of the group he's got to work with at the moment, and Beveridge assumedly has their trust and understanding, which a new coach would need to develop as well.

I will say though that the departures of Joel Hamling and Marcus Adams, the non-event of Travis Cloke and Stewart Crameri's tenures, and the mis-use (he was always a key defender, mis-cast as a mediocre ruckman) and then departure of Jordan Roughead have impacted more than is acknowledged. They are still very young and very thin in the key position areas, which affects them now and going forward.

 

[Adz]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

 

[Dazb86]

Bereridge's biggest problem is ridiculous team selections

 

[Adz]

Bereridge's biggest problem is ridiculous team selections

A senior assistant might be needed.

 

[Damon_3388]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

Well, it's arguable that they didn't really have an elite "top 4" list in the year they won the flag, given that they finished 7th during the H&A season. Not to say that the flag was a "fluke", but I don't think anyone thought "this is a premiership contending list", so the only reason any pressure or expectation comes is because of that flag.

They've only really lost players and gotten younger as a group since then, so there's always going to be a dip when you do that. If this is as "bad" as a rebuild gets, then it's pretty painless, and shouldn't be judged too harshly.

 

[Damon_3388]

Bereridge's biggest problem is ridiculous team selections

Team selections / list management (which understandably, isn't all up to him).

I'd say the former held true over the past couple of years, but now he's really just working with what he has (particularly with the key positions), as they really don't have a whole lot else to try.

 

[the harry]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

Three years is long enough to determine he's a terrible developer?

Is there a team you don't try and troll?

 

[Art Corvelay]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

Good thing Collingwood didn’t take coaching advice off you

 

[Chaisa]

Funnily enough I feel like the guy that could suit them well is Brad Scott. Their kids development has been decent but their gameplans seem a bit questionable and their selections have been really questionable. Beveridge obviously has his advantages but he's the type that needs a good senior assistant.

That said, their list isn't all that flash.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Adz kiss of death. Confirmed top 4 next year under Bevo.

The resident jester has spoken

 

[bigfarter]

Three years is long enough to determine he's a terrible developer?

Is there a team you don't try and troll?

Adz thinks every coach should be fired, generally. If he ran a business the HR department would have a turnstile rather than a door, such would be the frequency of firings and new hires.

 

[Golden_6]

His game plan strategies and team selection are plain arrogant.

Desperately needs a senior assistant to challenge him. Doubt that will happen though as he seems to have surrounded himself with yes men.

 

[demondavey]

Hang on, Adz is copping plenty here, but does he not have a point? The Bulldogs are not going to play finals again unless something remarkable happens, and i can't see that happening. If they don't play finals that is 3 years in a row without finals after a flag. I just don't know how long he can piggy back off 4 weeks of good football in 2016.

 

[bzparkes]

Needs to go. Had an amazing September run and won a flag but has been absolute pants outside that. If they’d been knocked out in the elimination final that year instead he’d have been gone last year for sure.

 

[conrad_437]

The first game under Bevo I have really felt lost. So much for a 'tactical mastermind'. This isn't the great Geelong side we are playing, its ****ing Carlton. Having Libba and Dunkley, our contested beasts playing forward and ruck really says it all.

 

[ReaperX]

There’s only so many years you get to rebuild. This is his third since the GF and I think that’s probably enough to make the call. Will always be a Premiership hero but is a terrible developer.

That's actually pretty true if you think about it, Bevo didn't develop the squad that won the 2016 flag, he coached them to it and got the best out of them 100%... but the pieces were already there.

His decision making post 2016 GF has been that of a coach who is too set in his ways.. he feels a bit like a coach that has been around for 10+ years, won a flag early on, but hasn't done anything since. Except that instead of that gap being 7 or 8 years without anything else, like most coaches who go through that, but it's only 2-3 years... however because the drop off has been so extreme, he now feels very stale, and like his time could be running out.

Might only end up having a 6 year stint at the Dogs, which is crazy, but yeah the wheels are completely falling off for the Doggies these days.

 

[LongPause]

Hang on, Adz is copping plenty here, but does he not have a point? The Bulldogs are not going to play finals again unless something remarkable happens, and i can't see that happening. If they don't play finals that is 3 years in a row without finals after a flag. I just don't know how long he can piggy back off 4 weeks of good football in 2016.

Hindsight culture, much easier and safer to wait back until after results are final to form a view instead of making a braver call early on.

 

[ApplecrossWC]

What's the deal with his haircut?

 

[Adz]

Let’s not beat around the bush. Their mids are very good and should be rated in the top 6 to 8.

 

[Adz]

He's made some weird decisions in the last 12 months. The assistant coaching changes...the playing defenders as forwards...playing NO forwards at all? Picken, Smith, Dickson out injured, Stringer gone, yet we decide not to play Boyd or Schache? Wood and Trengove playing forward when we have no leadership in the backline with Morris and Adams out injured.

Another 24 months of this and he's in trouble I reckon.

Bulldogs fans - is he still making strange decisions like this?

 

[Damon_3388]

Hang on, Adz is copping plenty here, but does he not have a point? The Bulldogs are not going to play finals again unless something remarkable happens, and i can't see that happening. If they don't play finals that is 3 years in a row without finals after a flag. I just don't know how long he can piggy back off 4 weeks of good football in 2016.

Well I think others at the club need to take some responsibility, too, from a list management and selection and tactical (eg. assistants to help/question/challenge) perspective. I think they overestimated Beveridge's abilities and where the list was at post-premiership, and didn't realise/didn't want to admit how fortunate they were to win the flag in 2016. One flag is probably a fair price to pay for 3+ years of mediocrity to follow, though.

 

[Adz]

Out: Boyd and Bevo
In: Ratten and ?!

 

[Damon_3388]

Let’s not beat around the bush. Their mids are very good and should be rated in the top 6 to 8.

They've been serviced by probably the worst ruck division in the league for years now though, so are perpetually "playing from behind" in that regard.

For all their ball-winning and kicking ability through the middle and off half back, their transitions and forward 50 entries are laborious and shockingly poor, too.