Marshmellowmagic
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Am i the only person that thinks he is no good??
whats the deal with him?
whats the deal with him?
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Luke Mcguane...
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yea leave him alone, is damn fine defender really contests well...rance will tell u how difficult that is
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How about you explain why he's no good?
The deal with him is that he's our centre half back.
The deal with him is that he's our centre half back.
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He cops unfair criticism IMO 
I thought he played some really good footy late in the season, not afraid to take the game on and run and carry.
The only problem with him is he is too light and gets out muscled by bigger opponents, but he gives 100%, is tough and agressive, good in the air and his skills are fine without being outstanding.
I still remain of the mindset that he should be played at CHF though.
I thought he played some really good footy late in the season, not afraid to take the game on and run and carry.
The only problem with him is he is too light and gets out muscled by bigger opponents, but he gives 100%, is tough and agressive, good in the air and his skills are fine without being outstanding.
I still remain of the mindset that he should be played at CHF though.
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Well apparantely to one HS scribe he went backwards last year.Which is bullshit. I'm a big fan of McGuane.
From where he started as a skinny runt from Queensland who had no idea about the caper, to where he is now is quite a testament to his work ethic and ability. People just expect results immediately. It doesn't work that way unless you are a born genius. Luke has to work hard at his game as it doesn't come as naturally as others, but his improvement from where he started has been first class.
Definitely a keeper and will be a very good player.
From where he started as a skinny runt from Queensland who had no idea about the caper, to where he is now is quite a testament to his work ethic and ability. People just expect results immediately. It doesn't work that way unless you are a born genius. Luke has to work hard at his game as it doesn't come as naturally as others, but his improvement from where he started has been first class.
Definitely a keeper and will be a very good player.
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That's funny cause in Inside Footy last week Russell Holmesby did his Richmond 2010 prieview & he had Luke ranked 2nd only behind Deledio!!!
Neither one got that right but IMO McGuane is locked into our backline and will only improve further under someone like Hardwick.
Personally I love his tenacity and touch of agro.
nope plenty rate him as a hack.
He is never going to be big bodied enough to out-position Brown Fev etc, but he is pretty strong overhead. And I expect him to play ~ 12-15 games at CHB and as 3rd tall occasionaly to give others a go / particular jobs. Hes our CHB until he is dead or we find someone better. If Rance / Gourdis manage to push him out he is still a handy 3rd tall, or can have it out with Thursty for FB. I think many were expecting exponential continuous improvement from Thursty McGuane Moore and they plateued somewhat, but Im sure there is improvement left in all of them, and that we will see it this year, that theyve had another preseason, wont ALL be training to be rebounding defenders, have had a good apprenticeship and played a good bit together, and are going to take to the new game plan
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For many people there it seems that if your not a champ, then your a dud, there's no in between.
Not too many people would rate Luke as a champ (rightly so), so there fore, to many he is hack, which is an unfair appraisal.
Not too many people would rate Luke as a champ (rightly so), so there fore, to many he is hack, which is an unfair appraisal.
He pretty much gets the oppositions best forward despite being undersized and still pretty inexperienced. McGuane will play his best football when he is the second or third defender behind two bigger bodies.
There aren't too many second or third talls from opposition clubs that could beat him regularly off the top of my head. Roughead & Franklin and Brown & Fev the only two that come to mind. Even those clubs don't have great third talls.
McGuane lacks 5kg and a cm or two to be the number one defender. It's why we need one of Rance (193cm 90+kg), Gourdis (194cm 93kg), or Post (194cm, close to 90kg), all of who are good KPD size to come on. This would leave Thursfield and McGuane to play the second and third talls with Farmer the small defender and Newman + Edwards/Tambling/Connors as the smaller rebounding defenders.
With the potential future forward line of
CHF - Astbury
Riewoldt (very handy 3rd tall)
FF - Griffiths
there isn't really room for another tall forward there so Post can be groomed as defender or classic "swingman" ala Leppitsch, C Cornes, Bradshaw, etc.
A big key back is a need in the coming drafts. To allow McGuane to play his best position: 2nd or 3rd tall defender.
There aren't too many second or third talls from opposition clubs that could beat him regularly off the top of my head. Roughead & Franklin and Brown & Fev the only two that come to mind. Even those clubs don't have great third talls.
McGuane lacks 5kg and a cm or two to be the number one defender. It's why we need one of Rance (193cm 90+kg), Gourdis (194cm 93kg), or Post (194cm, close to 90kg), all of who are good KPD size to come on. This would leave Thursfield and McGuane to play the second and third talls with Farmer the small defender and Newman + Edwards/Tambling/Connors as the smaller rebounding defenders.
With the potential future forward line of
CHF - Astbury
Riewoldt (very handy 3rd tall)
FF - Griffiths
there isn't really room for another tall forward there so Post can be groomed as defender or classic "swingman" ala Leppitsch, C Cornes, Bradshaw, etc.
A big key back is a need in the coming drafts. To allow McGuane to play his best position: 2nd or 3rd tall defender.
Well said.
McGuane is not a star, but considering he is generally played as the no1 defender when he really isn't one he does pretty well.
I hope we are not pinning our hopes on Rance. IMO to be a good defender you need to read the flight of the ball well and I just don't think Rance does. On top of that he has poor disposal skill which compounds his problems.
If I had a choice between these two, I would choose McGuane every time.
We do need to find that true KPD we are lacking. hopefully Post is our man.
I'M thinking his first game ever was against the Swans at Docklands and we got towelled. You were probably there too Tug. Remember saying this kid looks like a fish out of water and had a long, long way to go. But I rate the guy highly. The strongest of work ethics and not afraid to put his body on the line and, for mine, fights out of his division a lot of weeks.Not sure who intimated he went backwards last season - couldn't be any further from the truth.
Along with Tambling and Jackson, was one a rare few to actually elevate his game to a higher level.
Will be an important player for us "going forward".
Luke is a ripper. If he had been on the ground when Mitch Farmer was smacked last friday the culprit would have known it!
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You'll only find Santa Claws and a couple of others don't rate him
Very good up and coming young defender who hasn't had many goals kicked on him the last 2 years. He actually has a wide frame and is about 90kg now so he'll be fine in a couple of years for size
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now that we have a proper defensive coach in leppa and a game plan based on all over dfence and pressure and tacling i think all our defenders will improve immensly luke included
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Thats why i love the idea of Post down back for a couple of years to learn the way of the backman by one of the best. Then he can go forward and dominate in our 3rd year for the fist of our many finals
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but what if one of those dont work out? or get injuries. we need good players that are able to play forward. i dont mind if we use Post in the back half, but you cant just assume those 3 will become good footballers and because of that play other talls that may be suited forward in the backline.
McGuane will be a handy player for a while still. i think all the tall backs will find it hard to keep there spot this year unless they have a very good year. with the amount of players that can play as a tall backmen a few bad games in a row and you might spend the week at coburg.
You're exactly right. However I'm not really "assuming" they will be good footballers. But when discussing the future you can only speculate with players that you currently have. No doubt our future forward line in say 4 years will have players that aren't even on our list yet, but we can't use them as examples.
Riewoldt I think is already a pretty good footballer. And it's fair to say he'l be around for a while yet. As for Astbury and Griffiths? Could just as well be duds or superstars, but every player that comes in has to be part of future plans, until they are proven not to be, some will fulfill it, many will not.
As I said in my first post, we need to draft a big KPD or two sometime in the next year or so, because we have "options" up forward for the future but not as many down back when only a couple are the ideal size.
FWIW I've always liked the idea of Post forward, but the club doesn't seem to be going that way this season. However I won't make judgement on it until I've given it a chance and seen how it works out for Post but more importantly for team structure.
With the ball going in as quickly and as often as it did last year, all of our defenders looked like they went backwards, not just Luke.
With Thursty and Moore having full preseasons, Post getting used to his role there, Gourdis hopefully getting more game time and the addition of Farmer the back line is looking a lot more solid.
Add to this a midifeld, with the addition of Martin and fitness of Cotch and Foley (hopefully), that is now our major strength and able to match it with most. It should make life a lot easier for the back six and they can go back to the unit that we all rated pretty highly a couple of years ago.
As for Luke, don't think he'll ever be an elite backman, but will def have a role to play in a successful Tiger back line in years to come.
With Thursty and Moore having full preseasons, Post getting used to his role there, Gourdis hopefully getting more game time and the addition of Farmer the back line is looking a lot more solid.
Add to this a midifeld, with the addition of Martin and fitness of Cotch and Foley (hopefully), that is now our major strength and able to match it with most. It should make life a lot easier for the back six and they can go back to the unit that we all rated pretty highly a couple of years ago.
As for Luke, don't think he'll ever be an elite backman, but will def have a role to play in a successful Tiger back line in years to come.
weve lacked mongrel for quite some time now. bring back the bloody mongrel, lukey take it away son.
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Unfortunately if these type of players continue to make our side it shows that we have not improved
Maguane trys hard, but he has no skill and simply does not have the size to play key back, his legs are still so skinny and he def does not have the skill to play off half back.
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Maguane trys hard, but he has no skill and simply does not have the size to play key back, his legs are still so skinny and he def does not have the skill to play off half back.
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