M Muralitharan

[Nightmare]

I thought Flintoff held the record for most tests without playing Australia before this Ashes started????

That was a stroke of luck for you...

 

[Bartram_Class]

That was a stroke of luck for you...

Flintoff coudnt run a single in previous years let alone a full run up.

 

[Portmanteau]

There's no point continually coming out to attack Murali.

Everyone knows where Warne sits. On the top.

Now leave it alone.

 

[andrew_embley]

i have thought of this for a while as well, but get shot down when i bring it up with mates. It is amazing the amount of time Sri Lanka are scheduled (no fault of Muralis, he can only play against who they put out there) against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the like. Easy to get wickets there.

However he is a quality bowler.

Is there any site we can get up some stats to see who both Murali and Warne have taken their wickets against?

 

[eddiesmith]

i have thought of this for a while as well, but get shot down when i bring it up with mates. It is amazing the amount of time Sri Lanka are scheduled (no fault of Muralis, he can only play against who they put out there) against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the like. Easy to get wickets there.

However he is a quality bowler.

Is there any site we can get up some stats to see who both Murali and Warne have taken their wickets against?

Funny, Murali has played 3 tests against Bangladesh, Warney has missed 2 tests against them and has another 2 tests next year

Murali played against Zimbabwe last time a month or 2 before Warney was due to but the Aussies pulled out

Its not that they play them more often, its just bad luck for Warney

 

[Nightmare]

Flintoff coudnt run a single in previous years let alone a full run up.

Nice...

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one...!

The basics are that Warne made the top cricketers of the century because he has utterly transformed the game, practically single-handedly. The Gatt ball (if it was a pork pie he wouldn't have bowled him!!) started the aura that now surrounds the great one. Murali has never had that aura because he isn't as 'consumer-friendly' as Warney and because of his suspicious action. His stats are better than Warne on averages, but as an earlier post pointed out a massive number of those wickets have come against cheap oppo. Similar to Hayden's runs - ding ding 380. Don't remember any Aussies denying him that one when it happened....

 

[andrew_embley]

Funny, Murali has played 3 tests against Bangladesh, Warney has missed 2 tests against them and has another 2 tests next year

Murali played against Zimbabwe last time a month or 2 before Warney was due to but the Aussies pulled out

Its not that they play them more often, its just bad luck for Warney

fair enough. If i can see some stats (genuine question) then i'm more than happy to zip it.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Nice...

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one...!

The basics are that Warne made the top cricketers of the century because he has utterly transformed the game, practically single-handedly. The Gatt ball (if it was a pork pie he wouldn't have bowled him!!) started the aura that now surrounds the great one. Murali has never had that aura because he isn't as 'consumer-friendly' as Warney and because of his suspicious action. His stats are better than Warne on averages, but as an earlier post pointed out a massive number of those wickets have come against cheap oppo. Similar to Hayden's runs - ding ding 380. Don't remember any Aussies denying him that one when it happened....

380 against anyone deserves to be acclaimed, however what kind of team lets a batsman score 375 and 400 against them???? Weak stuff.

 

[Nightmare]

380 against anyone deserves to be acclaimed, however what kind of team lets a batsman score 375 and 400 against them???? Weak stuff.

You're good
I think we should probably all agree that Lara is on a higher level that Hayden however

 

[eddiesmith]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more

 

[Bartram_Class]

You're good
I think we should probably all agree that Lara is on a higher level that Hayden however

Statiscally, I think you'll find their quite even.

 

[andrew_embley]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more

yes it would seem

 

[DKA]

Oh boy.....here we go..........

Alot of people know my stance on Murali. Champion, and will be the best spinner of all time.

I agree with posters in that he should be taking the wickets against higher ranked sides, but unfortunately, he has no influence on whom the ICC pit against the country he plays for.

Wait for the Super Series.

Australia is embroiled in Warne fever at the moment, and it's definately warranted. But there will come a time where Murali shall also tear a new one into a side, that will make all take notice.

Warne, is still a damn champion, I have much respect for.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more

Look at all those cheap wickets Warney took against England.

 

[Nightmare]

Statiscally, I think you'll find their quite even.

But we have already established that stats can lie...Lara only played in a great Windies side for four years of his career - or at least with Walsh and Ambrose...very little batting and bowling since then in Windies cricks. I am sure you know all this anyway...Hayden has played with the two top bowlers in the world, like many Australian cricketers: I think the opening slot and a test average of 52 would be easily acheived by many others if they had that bowling attack blitzing sides.

Hayden will never get 10,000 test runs, the world record against anyone other that the Zimbos, and ever look half the player that the Prince of Trinidad does.

BC Lara averages 54 and Hayden 52

 

[DKA]

Warne's best against England : 8-71
Murali's best against England : 9-65

Not bad, considering thats the team that just beat Australia.

Pretty good stats pick up Eddie.

 

[DKA]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?

 

[Bartram_Class]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?

Of course, I'm just saying statistically they're quite even.

 

[Nightmare]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?

I know!
Yze Class said that their stats are fairly similar...I was trying to trounce

 

[Bartram_Class]

I know!
Yze Class said that their stats are fairly similar...I was trying to trounce

I'm not denying Lara is tons better, he is, the Ashes proved that, but their stats are quite similar, not allowing for average against England, where they would be quite a disparity.

 

[Nightmare]

I'm not denying Lara is tons better, he is, the Ashes proved that, but their stats are quite similar, not allowing for average against England, where they would be quite a disparity.

There is no chance - Hayden will NEVER get to 10,000 runs in tests and 9,500 in ODIs.

The boy is absolutely out of the Biffer's class

 

[Bartram_Class]

There is no chance - Hayden will NEVER get to 10,000 runs in tests and 9,500 in ODIs.

The boy is absolutely out of the Biffer's class

Hayden doesnt get to play against England at Antigua now does he?

 

[Nightmare]

Hayden doesnt get to play against England at Antigua now does he?

well spotted - your point is?

 

[Bartram_Class]

well spotted - your point is?

Hayden has to work for his triple-hundreds

 

[Nightmare]

Hayden has to work for his triple-hundreds

oh I see.
Like that beer match against Zim? 380?
cheers