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DangerSloane said:
I had the guitar, hair and headband, but that is not enough to look like Hendrix. Could've been Pat Cash with a guitar for all anyone knew.
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Maybe a bit more time on the hair, clothes and guitar and a bit less time on the body paint then...

DangerSloane said:
So now its racist to sing songs that people of other races sang? I dont know the reference...
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To cut a long story short, what if there had been another person of African descent at the same party and they were offended by your costume? Do you say 'Sorry pal, my mate's Sudanese and he reckons it's ok; stop being offended' or do you realise that two different people of the same race could feel differently about something like this and that the onus is on you to think about that before painting yourself jet black?

And, beyond that...remove the Sudanese guy from the equation. Now, imagine if something happened at the party that you would deem to be completely racist against Africans. Your Sudanese mate didn't see it. Does that make it ok? Are the white people at the party allowed to take offence?

DangerSloane said:
Spray tan makes you orange, it doesnt get you any closer to the colour of an african american. And so whats the difference in doing that and doing the body paint? You're totally missing the point.
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Just a guess here, but I reckon if you asked the people that buy this stuff, or manufacture it, or provide tanning services at a salon, or purchase such services, they wouldn't agree that it makes a person orange. What colour would they say it makes them?
 
JuddsABlue said:
Is there something in Selwood going as king? Or is it just a fairly random dress up?
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Hawkins and Selwood could have gone in their match kits with like a park bench type arrangement attached around their necks and 10 little dolls in Geelong guernseys sitting on each of the benches. But that might not have been the sort of atmosphere that they wanted to create at the function, right at the start.

Selwood's effort has raised the bar, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Catastic82 said:
Looking far too much in it
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lol im not sure what you mean?

or is that just a fancy way of saying its a random dress up?

for example, jimmie went as a diving instructor because he was accused of being a diver, is there some type of history between king/selwood or king/geelong that the casual observer may not be aware of that would make selwood wake up and say "im going as jake king"
 
Richard Pryor said:
Used by some Native Americans historically too. It's like that S looking thing in primary school, a cool looking symbol that's easy to draw. Only problem it was co-opted by douchebags.
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Also in some ancient Greek Art it can found.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that Selwood dressing up as King wasn't even funny?
Bartel's was very funny but for the life of me can't see how Selwood's was.
 
MC Extra Dollop said:
Maybe a bit more time on the hair, clothes and guitar and a bit less time on the body paint then...



To cut a long story short, what if there had been another person of African descent at the same party and they were offended by your costume? Do you say 'Sorry pal, my mate's Sudanese and he reckons it's ok; stop being offended' or do you realise that two different people of the same race could feel differently about something like this and that the onus is on you to think about that before painting yourself jet black?

And, beyond that...remove the Sudanese guy from the equation. Now, imagine if something happened at the party that you would deem to be completely racist against Africans. Your Sudanese mate didn't see it. Does that make it ok? Are the white people at the party allowed to take offence?



Just a guess here, but I reckon if you asked the people that buy this stuff, or manufacture it, or provide tanning services at a salon, or purchase such services, they wouldn't agree that it makes a person orange. What colour would they say it makes them?
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Guess we should all be outraged over this then?
mobile.news.com.au/entertainment/music/snoop-dogg-goes-white-face-hilariously-transforms-into-a-guy-named-todd/story-e6frfn09-1227043472140
 
Is it just me, or is inviting the media to your end of season celebrations incredibly lame?
 
PenAndPaperJosh said:
Am I the only one who thinks that Selwood dressing up as King wasn't even funny?
Bartel's was very funny but for the life of me can't see how Selwood's was.
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Nope im with you. I think dressing as another player is just an easy costume. Except for the Frawley costume from (I think) Dawes.
 

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MC Extra Dollop said:
Maybe a bit more time on the hair, clothes and guitar and a bit less time on the body paint then...


To cut a long story short, what if there had been another person of African descent at the same party and they were offended by your costume? Do you say 'Sorry pal, my mate's Sudanese and he reckons it's ok; stop being offended' or do you realise that two different people of the same race could feel differently about something like this and that the onus is on you to think about that before painting yourself jet black?

If someone was offended, then theyre offended. Bad luck to them really, as a reasonable person would not be offended by that.

As Stephen Fry put it -

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ****ing what."

And, beyond that...remove the Sudanese guy from the equation. Now, imagine if something happened at the party that you would deem to be completely racist against Africans. Your Sudanese mate didn't see it. Does that make it ok? Are the white people at the party allowed to take offence?

So now you're assuming again that dressing up as a black person is racist.
Racism is DISCRIMINATION on the basis of race. This does not fit the definition, whether there are people of that race present or not.


Just a guess here, but I reckon if you asked the people that buy this stuff, or manufacture it, or provide tanning services at a salon, or purchase such services, they wouldn't agree that it makes a person orange. What colour would they say it makes them?

Unless its used for an extended period it does not make you brown at all. And even then, I dont see how you can justify that as any different to using the body paint. The idea is the same, the theory is the same. What product you use is irelevant.
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Mackieilove said:
Oh yeah, it's incredibly easy to get Jake King to actually ride you in with a convoy of harleys. :rolleyes:
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I didn't say that part wasnt hard. Holy shit read deeper into my post and get more offended. This isn't aimed at Selwood, its a general statement. **** me you are precious.
 
St Mark said:
Is it just me, or is inviting the media to your end of season celebrations incredibly lame?
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Media are going to be there anyway, so organise a 30m-1hr slot for them to get what they need and then media will leave them alone for the rest of the day. Smart really
 
DangerSloane said:
If someone was offended, then theyre offended. Bad luck to them really, as a reasonable person would not be offended by that.

As Stephen Fry put it -

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so ******* what."

So now you're assuming again that dressing up as a black person is racist.
Racism is DISCRIMINATION on the basis of race. This does not fit the definition, whether there are people of that race present or not.
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No, I'm assuming that dressing up as whatever Jordan Lisle dressed up as and thinking 'that's a reasonable representation of LeBron James' could definitely be construed as being racist and he should have exercised better judgment.

Racism is not necessarily active discrimination on the basis of race. A person can have racist beliefs without acting on them. Racism can be a stereotype, for example if someone thought they should go to a fancy dress party as Bruce Lee, but felt that the clothing and hairdo didn't quite make it obvious enough, so they painted themselves yellow, to really top it off.

I feel that it could be construed as racist because the 'make-up' job that Lisle did resulted in him not even looking human.

DangerSloane said:
Unless its used for an extended period it does not make you brown at all.
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So it always turns people orange, unless they use it 'for an extended period'? Then why would people use it? I can't remember ever hearing anyone say that they wanted to look more orange.

DangerSloane said:
And even then, I dont see how you can justify that as any different to using the body paint. The idea is the same, the theory is the same. What product you use is irelevant.
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For the same reason that there would be a difference in using some sort of artificial tan and, compared to using blue paint. Because one creates a more accurate representation of the person that he is trying to represent, the other makes him look like a freak.
 

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MC Extra Dollop said:
No, I'm assuming that dressing up as whatever Jordan Lisle dressed up as and thinking 'that's a reasonable representation of LeBron James' could definitely be construed as being racist and he should have exercised better judgment.

Racism is not necessarily active discrimination on the basis of race. A person can have racist beliefs without acting on them. Racism can be a stereotype, for example if someone thought they should go to a fancy dress party as Bruce Lee, but felt that the clothing and hairdo didn't quite make it obvious enough, so they painted themselves yellow, to really top it off.

I feel that it could be construed as racist because the 'make-up' job that Lisle did resulted in him not even looking human.



So it always turns people orange, unless they use it 'for an extended period'? Then why would people use it? I can't remember ever hearing anyone say that they wanted to look more orange.



For the same reason that there would be a difference in using some sort of artificial tan and, compared to using blue paint. Because one creates a more accurate representation of the person that he is trying to represent, the other makes him look like a freak.
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Yes, in fact, racism is discrimination on the basis of race. Its the farking definition of the word!
The same way saying "that white/black/asian/african/middle eastern guy over there" is not racist, as you are not discriminating (assuming context is above board)

You assume a lot...

Jordan Lisle would have said right... I need to dress up like lebron james. I need basketball gear, basketball shoes, a headband and to make my skin darker to do so. How can I make my skin darker? Oh I know i'll use the specific item that is produced for that purpose...body paint. You are making really serious allogations against Jordan...that he deliberately wanted to dehumanise black people. Now lets think about that accusation for a second. I think your act in itself is far worse than the crime you're accusing him of. You're actually calling someone a racist who most likely is not one bit racist on a public forum.

Also you obviously havent lived with a woman that uses fake tan....they make everything orange.
 
Quivorir said:
Good ol' bartel

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That's a really good Drago dress up, just being completely overshadowed by Bartel.
 

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