News Magistrate warns Heath Shaw to curb his drinking

[stui magpie]

Re: Magistrate warns Collingwood footballer Heath Shaw to curb his drinking

A few beers = 3 beers. Who would be stupid enough to think 3 beers would leave your system within an hour and a half?

The only reason he didn't breach any conditions was because the interlock wouldn't let him start his car. Without the interlock on there, like the case is now, he would have broken the law twice. Why would anyone assume he isn't going to roll the dice again now that it's off?

I never stated he was drunk either, I never even said that was relevant, because it isn't. Nor does it matter whether he was affected by it or not, you completely miss the point. So it's fine he drinks and drives, just as long as it isn't too much. Please

What part of my of post was incorrect?

Each standard drink = roughly 0.025 in your system. A healthy liver will process 1 standard drink per hour. As per the ads, size; weight; sex; etc plays a part but in general this works.

A few beers could mean anything. If he had 3 pots of Carlton, that's 3 hours from start time before he's back to 0.00.

Which part of your post was incorrect? Have another read of what you wrote.

Tried to drink drive twice? How about he checked twice if he was safe to drive yet. Same dog, different leg action. He knew quite well if he registered with alcohol in his system he couldn't drive. So he tried twice before he was at 0.00. The problem would be? he wasn't trying to drink drive because he knew he couldn't. Therefore your statement = incorrect. That's one, CBF pointing out the rest.

 

[Old Spice]

I like to drink as much as the next man, and more, but really, don't you know you are going to have a drink, or might have a drink? If that's the case, leave your car behind. If you've driven your car somewhere and change your mind - again - get a f*cking cab home. Is he skint?

Do we need any more incidents with cars at this club? It's just blockhead type thinking.

 

[Pie eyed]

I like to drink as much as the next man, and more, but really, don't you know you are going to have a drink, or might have a drink? If that's the case, leave your car behind. If you've driven your car somewhere and change your mind - again - get a f*cking cab home. Is he skint?

Do we need any more incidents with cars at this club? It's just blockhead type thinking.

I would understand the ire if he drunkenly tried to get in and drive but was thwarted by the trusty interlock, but it appears that he is forced to blow in the device every time he attempts to drive his car.

That said the very low number of failed attempts and the the very low readings during these attempts screams that he on two occasions out of many 100's of successful blowings and startings, no doubt over a 12 months+ period, erroneously assumed he was not going to blow anything.

If he had dozens of high range unsuccessful attempts you could get really miffed as a supporter, but the actual result was admirable I think and the Magistrate also seemed to think so, giving him back his full licence and removing the device.

The other thing which should always be taken into account is the fact that interlock breath testing devices and in fact all breathalyzers are notoriously inaccurate and unreliable being enormously susceptible to both temperature and humidity level in the immediate atmosphere. These innaccuracies have always been readily admitted, but the Law enforcement agencies maintain that the inconsistencies and the possibility of false readings and therefore possible injustice to individuals is far outweighed by the benefits.

Just some things to think about.

 

[StillWaiting5689]

If he had dozens of high range unsuccessful attempts you could get really miffed as a supporter, but the actual result was admirable I think and the Magistrate also seemed to think so, giving him back his full licence and removing the device.

You seem easily impressed, I'd hardly consider not regularly attempting to drink drive and admirable quality, seems more like a common sense thing. I don't think this is a major issue but sometimes I am a little surprised at some of the decisions footballers make - especially ones with as colourful past as Heater on this topic.

 

[Old Spice]

I would understand the ire if he drunkenly tried to get in and drive but was thwarted by the trusty interlock, but it appears that he is forced to blow in the device every time he attempts to drive his car.

That said the very low number of failed attempts and the the very low readings during these attempts screams that he on two occasions out of many 100's of successful blowings and startings, no doubt over a 12 months+ period, erroneously assumed he was not going to blow anything.

If he had dozens of high range unsuccessful attempts you could get really miffed as a supporter, but the actual result was admirable I think and the Magistrate also seemed to think so, giving him back his full licence and removing the device.

The other thing which should always be taken into account is the fact that interlock breath testing devices and in fact all breathalyzers are notoriously inaccurate and unreliable being enormously susceptible to both temperature and humidity level in the immediate atmosphere. These innaccuracies have always been readily admitted, but the Law enforcement agencies maintain that the inconsistencies and the possibility of false readings and therefore possible injustice to individuals is far outweighed by the benefits.

Just some things to think about.

Maybe Heater had some open beer bottles in the car and the alcohol humidity was high and affected the reading.

Look, I'm no square and hate genuine tabloid hysteria, but Heater has to use that noggin of his and just not put himself, others or the club in this kind of position.

Knowing you have an interlock, you have an infringement and that you need to blow zero, why get back in the car and try within a short period of having beers? Better still, why not just get a cab? It's just dumb shit.

 

[Pie eyed]

You seem easily impressed, I'd hardly consider not regularly attempting to drink drive and admirable quality, seems more like a common sense thing. I don't think this is a major issue but sometimes I am a little surprised at some of the decisions footballers make - especially ones with as colourful past as Heater on this topic.

Estimate how many times you get into your car over a twelve month period.
I would get in and start my car at the very least 8 times every day.
365 days x 8 = 2920 times per year.
So twice he went to his car and registered 0.02 (1 standard drink) out of 2,000+ times.
Did he then go and wait until he registered 0.00 1/2 hour later and then drive?
If you think twice form 2,000+ (min) attempts is bad result then I don't know what you would be acceptable. The machine is there for this very reason.
The Magistrate was making mileage from his profile and Heater would have been quite within his rights to think he was being wound up by his remarks I reckon.

 

[Old Spice]

Estimate how many times you get into your car over a twelve month period.
I would get in and start my car at the very least 8 times every day.
365 days x 8 = 2920 times per year.
So twice he went to his car and registered 0.02 (1 standard drink) out of 2,000+ times.
Did he then go and wait until he registered 0.00 1/2 hour later and then drive?
If you think twice form 2,000+ (min) attempts is bad result then I don't know what you would be acceptable. The machine is there for this very reason.
The Magistrate was making mileage from his profile and Heater would have been quite within his rights to think he was being wound up by his remarks I reckon.

The complicating factor there Pied, me old boy, is that he had an interlock, is an AFL footballer under scrutiny and has plenty of dosh to spend on a cab.

It's not so much the readings in the abstract which are the problem, but that the fact that he even attempted to drive after any drinks, given he needed to blow zero.

He has to use that bonce of his and just err on the side of caution.

 

[Pie eyed]

The complicating factor there Pied, me old boy, is that he had an interlock, is an AFL footballer under scrutiny and has plenty of dosh to spend on a cab.

It's not so much the readings in the abstract which are the problem, but that the fact that he even attempted to drive after any drinks, given he needed to blow zero.

He has to use that bonce of his and just err on the side of caution.

If he'd either registered numerous times or blown the machine over big time a few times I could see your point. Fact is he has not.
Really you could mount an argument that if he was wizen, as are we, he would have accepted lifts (dangerous in itself for pies players), caught public transport, taxied and just run whence-ever he needed to go or, god forbid, even sworn off the grog 100% for the period of his restraint, but you and I know that he is Heath Shaw, Collingwood Football player and under 30.

Obviously we are looking at different scales of "good behaviour" and in different personality types.

 

[Old Spice]

Now, now, we're all equal under the law. We're all equal, rich or poor, to sleep under bridges.

Dont complicate this Pie Eyed. The man says don't drink and drive as you have in the past. Here, we're slapping this interlock on to make sure.

Enter Heath. Oooh, I've had a few Robbie De Niro's, think I'll try and drive home by blowing in this interlock system. Hmmm, what was it again about the interlock. Oh yeah, don't F*CKING DRIVE AFTER A DRINK.

Meh, I'll give it a go, who on earth will find out?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Bah, he probably had a drink or two, waited a while and then blew into the interlock device once he thought it would have been out of his system. Interlock device says "buh-bong", he either waits longer or gets a cab/scabs a lift home.

Newsworthy? Hardly. The device prevents him from breaking the law in this way, and the two positive readings he blew would have been well below the legal limit for any other fully licensed driver. However the HUN refers to it as "drink-driving".

Yawn.

 

[Pie eyed]

Bah, he probably had a drink or two, waited a while and then blew into the interlock device once he thought it would have been out of his system. Interlock device says "buh-bong", he either waits longer or gets a cab/scabs a lift home.

Newsworthy? Hardly. The device prevents him from breaking the law in this way, and the two positive readings he blew would have been well below the legal limit for any other fully licensed driver. However the HUN refers to it as "drink-driving".

Yawn.

My point exactly.