Opinion Malaise and Mediocrity.

[Partridge]

I am sure it isn't for a lack of trying, to be fair.

I'm sure it isn't either. But has that excuse stopped anyone with all the other players that have copped it on here?

 

[BUSTER29]

So not only accepting failure but actually striving for it. No thanks, not the club I follow thanks.

That's a losing club attitude and hopefully (thankfully) not one the head honchos at our club share. The day we actively wave the white flag is the day I lose faith in the direction of this club.

Who the fu*ck is waving the white flag?
Or striving for failure?
We have brought in some quality recruits,now time for some top end talent via the draft.
Take a deep breath princess...

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Who the fu*ck is waving the white flag?
Or striving for failure?
We have brought in some quality recruits,now time for some top end talent via the draft.
Take a deep breath princess...

No, not now time for top end picks. It's counter intuitive to our recent path to now cut and run like cowards. The club from the CEO, to the board (who both have to tick off R1 pick trades btw), to the list management team, to the coaches and finally the players have bought in to this path. To trade away picks for Hendo, Danger and Tuohy and now sell off a player or two to get back into the draft at the high end is not in alignment with our recent aims.

**** missing the 8, that's for loser clubs. The only decent player I'd tolerate losing for a R1 pick is Motlop and no one else. Those worth R1 picks aren't worth removing and those worth removing aren't worth enough to make a pinch of difference in what you're suggesting is necessary.

This is the road we are on, you may have jumped off at an earlier stop but the club won't have yet and nor have I.

 

[catempire]

If by good again you mean making up the numbers in September then i wouldnt complain too much if we decided to use all our 1st round picks from here on in and even traded some players out for high picks.
Even if that means slipping out of the 8.

I think you've confused two concepts there but in essence you are one of the people I was describing.

 

[catempire]

At some stage we will have to bite the bullet and invest in the draft

I keep hearing this. There's absolutely no reason why it's so. There's nothing to stop us repeating the approach of the past few years for eternity.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

I keep hearing this. There's absolutely no reason why it's so. There's nothing to stop us repeating the approach of the past few years for eternity.

Except that the team will eventually tumble down the ladder when the core players begin to decline and retire. The top-up strategy only 'worked' (if you consider getting smashed in finals after a top 4 finish a success) because there was a core group to build on. That won't be there in the next few years because there isn't enough talent coming through. Would the Dangerfield and Henderson acquisitions have meant much for team success if the side didn't have Hawkins, Selwood, Taylor and Lonergan?

When Geelong does take that tumble, it would be suicidal to continue trading out picks for older players, because that won't help at all when you're a bottom 4 side and will only serve to keep the side down for longer with little hope for the future. I don't know why you'd want that.

Already the club has gone too far with this approach, and we're seeing the results. The team is just mediocre, and the people coming in to fill holes are mid-20s VFL players who can't hack it at AFL level.

 

[catempire]

Except that the team will eventually tumble down the ladder when the core players begin to decline and retire.

Why would we not replace them with new core players? That would be really silly.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Why would we not replace them with new core players? That would be really silly.

The problem with your strategy though is that we won't have the picks to get these never ending stream of quality core players that want to come to the club. We won't finish low enough on the ladder.
It's like Pauline Hanson saying just print more money.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Why would we not replace them with new core players? That would be really silly.

How are you going to get those? You may be surprised to learn that it's not actually possible to get Dangerfield-level players every season.

 

[Spazz Cat]

How are you going to get those? You may be surprised to learn that it's not actually possible to get Dangerfield-level players every season.

My Hawkins is broke, buy me another one.

 

[catempire]

The problem with your strategy though is that we won't have the picks to get these never ending stream of quality core players that want to come to the club. We won't finish low enough on the ladder.
It's like Pauline Hanson saying just print more money.

It's a terrible analogy. You get new "money" every year. How do you think we got Danger and Hendo and Tuohy? We have spent the money and it comes back every year! It's magic!

 

[catempire]

How are you going to get those? You may be surprised to learn that it's not actually possible to get Dangerfield-level players every season.

Same way we got Dangerfield and Henderson and Tuohy. We trade for them. See when you build a strong club culture there's a never ending stream of players wanting to come and play for you. It's only when tank and become a perennial loser that the appeal dries up.

 

[catempire]

My Hawkins is broke, buy me another one.

I should save this post for posterity. It's exactly what we will do in the next few years. Your foresight will be cheered!

 

[hbk_aus]

I'm sure it isn't either. But has that excuse stopped anyone with all the other players that have copped it on here?

Hell no, and I wouldn't limit that to just the players. And on the flip side, lack of trying is exactly why Motlop has copped both barrels this week. Not even sure what my point is there - it's Friday night and I am officially frazzled.

 

[hbk_aus]

Who the fu*ck is waving the white flag?
Or striving for failure?
We have brought in some quality recruits,now time for some top end talent via the draft.
Take a deep breath princess...

You mentioned trading out top end talent to get those picks - which talent do you have in mind? And what guarantee is there that the subsequent pick will reach the top end level which previous said player had reached?

 

[Ray Donovan]

On my calculator, that said given how inaccurate media outlets have been on this can we really be confident in them getting other clubs correct.... not really , so we may still be the 6th oldest list by pure happenstance or we may be 11th oldest. All I do know is the age profile for our club is reported incorrectly and frankly I can't be ****** calculating all other clubs as it's not that important.

I don't overly care where we rank in the scheme of things relative to other clubs, ultimately I don't think we have an old list though.

Solid metrics

 

[Spazz Cat]

I should save this post for posterity. It's exactly what we will do in the next few years. Your foresight will be cheered!

Ha ha. This must be what it felt like to be a Carlton fan back in the day.

 

[catempire]

Ha ha. This must be what it felt like to be a Carlton fan back in the day.

Sorta but different. The brown paper bags are gone.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Solid metrics

Come on Ray. You're not stupid.
I took the time to manually count all our players to the month (eg 25y9m is 24.75yo) and used that to show the AFL numbers were wrong. I just can't be ****ed/don't care enough to repeat the process for 17 other clubs.

Take home message. The AFL.com.au columnist was wrong.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

On my calculator, that said given how inaccurate media outlets have been on this can we really be confident in them getting other clubs correct.... not really , so we may still be the 6th oldest list by pure happenstance or we may be 11th oldest. All I do know is the age profile for our club is reported incorrectly and frankly I can't be ****** calculating all other clubs as it's not that important.

I don't overly care where we rank in the scheme of things relative to other clubs, ultimately I don't think we have an old list though.

One thing we do know for sure, however, is that Geelong played the third oldest 22 last week and has very little quality young talent coming through.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

One thing we do know for sure, however, is that Geelong played the third oldest 22 last week and has very little quality young talent coming through.

Okay Eeyore.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Come on Ray. You're not stupid.
I took the time to manually count all our players to the month (eg 25y9m is 24.75yo) and used that to show the AFL numbers were wrong. I just can't be ******/don't care enough to repeat the process for 17 other clubs.

Take home message. The AFL.com.au columnist was wrong.

If you just grab the players' DOBs from Footywire, there's an Excel function you can use to count their precise age to the current date.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If you just grab the players' DOBs from Footywire, there's an Excel function you can use to count their precise age to the current date.

Cheers. May need to look closer for that, that said there was a commensurate difference between the two. They were clearly inaccurate.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Okay Eeyore.

You're right, Geelong is brimming with top young talent. That's why the MC believes that the best young player we have available is an Irish import who's only played a couple of okay games at VFL level. Says a lot about Geelong's other young players when that's all it takes to go past them. But we'll just top up again, and it'll be all good to go. When Taylor, Lonergan, Mackie, Selwood, and Hawkins are gone, we'll just pick up a couple of stars for future picks and then fill the remaining gaps with VFL players. That'll surely work out just fine.

 

[Spazz Cat]

One thing we do know for sure, however, is that Geelong played the third oldest 22 last week and has very little quality young talent coming through.

Don't worry about it. We'll just go buy another 22. Next year I'd like Buddy, Fyfe, maybe Stringer too for when Menzel needs a week off.