Opinion Malaise and Mediocrity.

[goyoucatters]

You forgot Cowan.

There's a number of posters who won't let him be forgotten, though.

Simply for having the temerity to still be on the list he will seemingly be unremittingly mocked on here for some time to come.

 

[ATSAM]

I just think a lot of our fans are ungrateful and embarrassing at times. Cook along with many others brought our club back from the abyss and is setting us up for the future but yeah he's one of the major problems when we put in a couple of shit performances. I really wish he wasn't around to stop employees skimming money off the top through various means like what used to happen and that we were still a biscuit tin club mired in local politics. Man, those were the days.

Throwing accusations against unnamed people very dangerous, all clubs were the same and it is only in the last 15 years that they became corporate structures AND we are still mired in local Geelong politics. How you could think otherwise is astonishing.

 

[goyoucatters]

Throwing accusations against unnamed people very dangerous, all clubs were the same and it is only in the last 15 years that they became corporate structures AND we are still mired in local Geelong politics. How you could think otherwise is astonishing.

OK, then.

Just as well Cook has been named. So the baseless denigration of him by some on here is clearly all fine.

 

[Whit3y]

Interesting to note that massive trade commentary last year around Caddy and Delidio: Caddy playing vfl/Delidio playing nothing. Cats got Parfitt for Caddy and dodged a bullet with Lids. Maybe just maybe they aren't so stupid at the Cattery.


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some people may make reference to hmac and clark

 

[Ray Donovan]

Geez I find your posts hard to follow Ray. It's stream of consciousness stuff.

Why we should continue to ignore each other like usual

 

[catempire]

Why we should continue to ignore each other like usual

I don't ignore anyone.

 

[Nickoo]

some people may make reference to hmac and clark

They were worthwhile tries. My brother in law who is a melb/bris supporter was always going on about how good Clarke was and wondered if he get back. But he had too many issues. HMac was also a good punt as is Stanley on the basis of available evidence all these decisions look pretty good. In hindsight not so good. But did those who complain now complain at the time or even better did they provide a better alternative than that which geelong chose?


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[Ray Donovan]

I don't ignore anyone.

I know but I should know better this isn't really the thread for it. Because we haven't been mediocre results wise.

I agree though my last post was poorly written can't insert quotes on my phone. And i get sidetracked at work when people are asking me questions so I put my phone down. Probably should not spending so much work time on big footy. In saying that I'm the one paying so wasting my own money lol

 

[Spazz Cat]

Ray, did you miss the post about us drafting 17 players in two years?
Or is your issue that we traded pick 16 for pick 22? I mean that's going to make a huge difference

The main point he was trying to make is that age profile isn't everything and talent and quality seems to be more important.
We have taken 17 "kids" but how many are rookies and how many are before say pick 40?
Surely people can see the point he's making. Realistically how many of those 17 are going to go on to match it with the better teams or even have proper AFL careers at all? History says not many.
Wouldn't say Rug,Stewart, House, Abbott are kids anyway.
Before anyone's accused of goal post shifting or hating the club I could only remember 2 or 3 on here not happy with O'Connor playing and only 1 not happy with Cook. Out of how many posters on here?
But the majority on this thread are ungrateful mouth breathers or something like that

 

[David the Cat]

There's a number of posters on here who won't let him be forgotten, though.

Simply for having the temerity to still be on the list he will seemingly be unremittingly mocked on here for some time to come.

Yes...its pathetic.

 

[catempire]

Surely people can see the point he's making. Realistically how many of those 17 are going to go on to match it with the better teams or even have proper AFL careers at all? History says not many.

Surely you can see that when your strategy is trade for identified needs and hit the draft in volume with lower picks you are not relying on the draft very heavily for the core of your team. You are hoping to hit 2-3 out of ten which is very achievable.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

For the 54,000 time gero I understand your battle with the AFL.com numbers. It is just the official platform I have used. As all sites have conflicting data and use different formulas to calculate the lists so I go with the official platform for that reason only if it is incorrect get AFL.com to apologise to you.

Zero hangar claims to have used champion data input. But I'm not going with zero hangar as a reference. Had us 4th oldest.

https://www.zerohanger.com/find-sides-average-age-games-played-ahead-2017-season-10228/

Then you go across to draft guru which looks legit almost agrees with you had us 10th.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2017

But then when you scroll through has Adelaide as a 7th oldest list.

Then you read through age reports and Adelaide is being reported as the third youngest list at 23.323d

http://www.theage.com.au/interactive/2017/afl-video/tiles/index.html?afl=1

Which conflicts both others.

So gero finally I understand your point but after research I went with the official AFL platform as a happy medium it's your plight not mine.

And my main point was always just aligning our list ages with the up and coming teams. Western bulldogs, Adelaide, GWS, Sydney for future seasons age profile wise these sides look like with the young talent being at the top for a while when we are in a win now mode.

Our senior team is full of mature players and our best players selwood, hawk, danger, hendo, tuohy are in that 27-30 bracket we brought in a swagger of picks and rookie picks this season which dropped our age. But the core of the side that plays senior football is very mature.

I have trouble with them as they are not accurate. Only once we refer to accurate metrics will we get anywhere.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Ray, did you miss the post about us drafting 17 players in two years?
Or is your issue that we traded pick 16 for pick 22? I mean that's going to make a huge difference

2015
Gardner (59)
Menegola (66). ( mature age 25 )
Buzza. (69)
Hayball. (70)

Added
Danger, hendo, smith, S.selwood

2016
Parfitt. (26). (Caddy out)
Stewart. (40) ( mature age 24)
Ratugolea. (42)
Narkle. (60)
House. (68) ( mature age 21)
Abbott. (69) ( mature age 25)

Added
Tuohy, black

Stephen wells has done all he could with those picks.

Menegola ( tick )
Gardner & buzza could add something from VFL reports.
Stewart at 40 looks like he will add something

But honestly tony this is a necessity to fill the list when free agents don't resign and players leave retire. You need to replace players and not many clubs are not having less than 8-10 picks in national draft over 2 seasons.

And every club has 4-6 rookies and cat B's
So really we had one pick in the mid 20's and wells nailed parfitt. Wells is a jet and menegola at (66) well played.

Don't blame me for wanting to just take danger gather some pieces and let him unleash some picks.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Surely you can see that when your strategy is trade for identified needs and hit the draft in volume with lower picks you are not relying on the draft very heavily for the core of your team. You are hoping to hit 2-3 out of ten which is very achievable.

Yeah for sure. Bar a few decisions I don't have a huge problem with it. I think in a couple of years we're gonna struggle though but that's the way it goes.
I was mainly responding to the counter argument of 17 kids in 2 years which is a tad misleading.

 

[Tony Barber]

Surely you can see that when your strategy is trade for identified needs and hit the draft in volume with lower picks you are not relying on the draft very heavily for the core of your team. You are hoping to hit 2-3 out of ten which is very achievable.

Correct. And I have no doubt that's why we blanket bombed the back end of the draft.
Henderson, 2e, and danger have all been worth their picks.
We aren't getting pick 5 unless we tank. And we'd need to tank 5 times to make a difference.
No thanks. I'd prefer a culture of a club that tries to win. And one that may be trying to beat the system.

 

[Ray Donovan]

I have trouble with them as they are not accurate. Only once we refer to accurate metrics will we get anywhere.

Where are the correct metrics ?

 

[Spazz Cat]

2015
Gardner (59)
Menegola (66). ( mature age 25 )
Buzza. (69)
Hayball. (70)

Added
Danger, hendo, smith, S.selwood

2016
Parfitt. (26). (Caddy out)
Stewart. (40) ( mature age 24)
Ratugolea. (42)
Narkle. (60)
House. (68) ( mature age 21)
Abbott. (69) ( mature age 25)

Added
Tuohy, black

Stephen wells has done all he could with those picks.

Menegola ( tick )
Gardner & buzza could add something from VFL reports.
Stewart at 40 looks like he will add something

But honestly tony this is a necessity to fill the list when free agents don't resign and players leave retire. You need to replace players and not many clubs are not having less than 8-10 picks in national draft over 2 seasons.

And every club has 4-6 rookies and cat B's
So really we had one pick in the mid 20's and wells nailed parfitt. Wells is a jet and menegola at (66) well played.

Don't blame me for wanting to just take danger gather some pieces and let him unleash some picks.

There you go 1 kid under pick 40. Might end up a genius and groundbreaking strategy. Might not.

 

[catempire]

No thanks. I'd prefer a culture of a club that tries to win. And one that may be trying to beat the system.

This. I'm actually surprised so many people are content to accept failure as necessary to be good again. Give me innovation any day.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Where are the correct metrics ?

On my calculator, that said given how inaccurate media outlets have been on this can we really be confident in them getting other clubs correct.... not really , so we may still be the 6th oldest list by pure happenstance or we may be 11th oldest. All I do know is the age profile for our club is reported incorrectly and frankly I can't be ****ed calculating all other clubs as it's not that important.

I don't overly care where we rank in the scheme of things relative to other clubs, ultimately I don't think we have an old list though.

 

[BUSTER29]

This. I'm actually surprised so many people are content to accept failure as necessary to be good again. Give me innovation any day.

If by good again you mean making up the numbers in September then i wouldnt complain too much if we decided to use all our 1st round picks from here on in and even traded some players out for high picks.
Even if that means slipping out of the 8.

 

[hbk_aus]

If by good again you mean making up the numbers in September then i wouldnt complain too much if we decided to use all our 1st round picks from here on in and even traded some players out for high picks.
Even if that means slipping out of the 8.

Depends what you classify as "making up the numbers" - I would classify a prelim appearance as a tad more than that.

It also depends whether you think a round 1 pick is guaranteed to be as good or better than what the likes of Dangerfield, Henderson and Tuohy have given us. For example, our top 20 picks in recent years have been Thurlow, Lang and Cockatoo...

 

[Partridge]

Yes...its pathetic.

Easily solved.

He can get fit and show why he's been kept.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If by good again you mean making up the numbers in September then i wouldnt complain too much if we decided to use all our 1st round picks from here on in and even traded some players out for high picks.
Even if that means slipping out of the 8.

So not only accepting failure but actually striving for it. No thanks, not the club I follow thanks.

That's a losing club attitude and hopefully (thankfully) not one the head honchos at our club share. The day we actively wave the white flag is the day I lose faith in the direction of this club.

 

[hbk_aus]

Easily solved.

He can get fit and show why he's been kept.

I am sure it isn't for a lack of trying, to be fair.

 

[BUSTER29]

Depends what you classify as "making up the numbers" - I would classify a prelim appearance as a tad more than that.

It also depends whether you think a round 1 pick is guaranteed to be as good or better than what the likes of Dangerfield, Henderson and Tuohy have given us. For example, our top 20 picks in recent years have been Thurlow, Lang and Cockatoo...

Agree re our picks,hence why i said trading to get in top end talent. ie top 10.
My opinion is that we will be thereabouts for the next couple of years because of who we have brought in to top up without winning a Premiership.
If you call that being successful,good luck to you.
At some stage we will have to bite the bullet and invest in the draft,Imo we have missed an opportunity to start that process.
Happy for the Cats to pinch a Premiership in the now with the current path.
Cant see it happening personally.
My comment about making up the numbers refers to us being a bit like the Bulldogs circa 2008 - 2010?,making prelims but never taking that big step.