Malthouse and Shaw

[Dxmxgxd]

Anyone notice that Collingwood came out after half time and still didnt close the game down. I think Malthouse has passed it. The game isnt 50 years old anymore. They need a younger more adapt coach to the way the game is played now. I think Collingwood really need Tony Shaw in an active role at the club. Many people don't like him but he is unique because he will tell someone if they are a d**khead and he views his opinion. They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

 

[didaka]

Anyone notice that Collingwood came out after half time and still didnt close the game down. I think Malthouse has passed it. The game isnt 50 years old anymore. They need a younger more adapt coach to the way the game is played now. I think Collingwood really need Tony Shaw in an active role at the club. Many people don't like him but he is unique because he will tell someone if they are a d**khead and he views his opinion. They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

Gavin Brown

 

[Dxmxgxd]

Gavin Brown

yeah i know gavin brown is down there. but thats only 1 of many.

 

[Pie eyed]

S**t yeah after the horror season we have had we should sack the coach asap...
No future with this side either...sack the lot of em.

Should start tanking now!


LOL are you guys for real.

 

[ClarkeM]

Chat to shawy and i think he might come back but it was the public that made him leave!

 

[3066]

Anyone notice that Collingwood came out after half time and still didnt close the game down. I think Malthouse has passed it. The game isnt 50 years old anymore. They need a younger more adapt coach to the way the game is played now. I think Collingwood really need Tony Shaw in an active role at the club. Many people don't like him but he is unique because he will tell someone if they are a d**khead and he views his opinion. They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

Give MM a break. Whilst I agree Matthews seems to own MM, previous to last night's game it was very hard even for MM haters to knock the way he has coached this year with the amount of young kids we have played and where we are on the ladder. Everyone besides Collingwood supporters picked us to finish bottom and the reality is we will be playing finals.

We don't forget last night's game - we learn from it and move on.

 

[Jabso]

Is this the same Malthouse who tactically outpointed Matthews in the game in the Gabba where we changed our style of play. The one who outpointed one of the best 'new breed' of young coaches in Roos and even Neil Craig.

I'm not going to herald him as a tactical genius but he (or at least his team of coaches) have been great this year. At the moment Mick Malthouse is the best fit for this group of players by a long way.

 

[DWil6]

Is this the same Malthouse who tactically outpointed Matthews in the game in the Gabba where we changed our style of play. The one who outpointed one of the best 'new breed' of young coaches in Roos and even Neil Craig.

I'm not going to herald him as a tactical genius but he (or at least his team of coaches) have been great this year. At the moment Mick Malthouse is the best fit for this group of players by a long way.

Agreed.

 

[Paul.]

Who; after one loss is seriously contemplating sacking Mick Malthouse?

My god... the world's gone mad.

 

[Medstar]

Im not after mick to be sacked by why after at least 8 national drafts, pre season drafts, trading etc, why hasnt he devoloped or drafted decent ruckmen or bought in some quality midfielders?

Pendlebury is one young quality mid but who are the others?

We dont have any quality or even young up and coming ruckman at the club either, not even a rookie.

Why is this so?

 

[Jabso]

Midfielders can be put down to poor recruiting under Judkins. Word is MM had a big say in what types he wanted, but since Hine took control it looks like we're recruiting a hell of alot different (from slow big bodied ball winners to athletes with x-factor). The midfield isn't in a bad shape as it was a couple of years ago, the cream is there with Pendlebury, Clarke, Thomas, it just needs some solid supporting players (which hopefully Wellingham, Cook, Stanley can be) and one good young inside midfielder. With some more good recruiting and hopefully development of the players mentioned it has potential to be a great midfield.

The ruck is something different, MM has too much faith in Fraser to improve in tap outs along with Richards. While I myself think Fraser is underrated in the tapwork part of his game he really needs a good backup and it is disapointing we only have Richards and Bryan to choose from and not even one project player on the rookie list that's a ruckman.

 

[toommy]

Who; after one loss is seriously contemplating sacking Mick Malthouse?

My god... the world's gone mad.

not only that he wants shaw back. all shaw has done for collingwood of late is sink the boots in ( dial a quote )

 

[Magnus the Magpie]

Anyone notice that Collingwood came out after half time and still didnt close the game down. I think Malthouse has passed it. The game isnt 50 years old anymore. They need a younger more adapt coach to the way the game is played now. I think Collingwood really need Tony Shaw in an active role at the club. Many people don't like him but he is unique because he will tell someone if they are a d**khead and he views his opinion. They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

For God's sake, where were you during 1996-99? He was probably the worst coach we've ever had (with the possible exception of the Weid). I've issues with some of MM's strategies and he's obviously an obstinate bastard, but to even suggest that Shaw would be of more value is absurd. It's probably even more absurd that I'm responding to this drivel.

 

[Chase the Ace]

yeah i know gavin brown is down there. but thats only 1 of many.

Michael Christian, BT (at the club in '90)

 

[Art Corvelay]

For God's sake, where were you during 1996-99? He was probably the worst coach we've ever had (with the possible exception of the Weid). I've issues with some of MM's strategies and he's obviously an obstinate bastard, but to even suggest that Shaw would be of more value is absurd. It's probably even more absurd that I'm responding to this drivel.

Exactly my thoughts as well.

One bad game and Malthouse is past it? Hope you didn't hurt yourself jumping off the bandwagon.

 

[Frederlick]

Whilst there is nothing wrong with the idea par se there is a lot of water under the bridge with MM and Shaw. I think it would be difficult to get them to work together in a constructive way, besides Shaw was always a person who used hard work and not flair in his game and I don't think a willingness to work hard would be missing from Collingwood, so what else does he offer? As a note of warning look what egos and squabbling have achieved at Richmond and Carlton, SWFA with both seemingly rift by infighting and one upmanship at the coaching and administration level although maybe Carlton will sort their sheizen out soon in this regard. So whatever the solution is the last thing they need is animosity within the coaching ranks. Keep Shaw out of there, he had his crack. I reckon get Wayne Carey back as forwards coach, he had that group humming last year, although apparently he didn't want another year.

 

[Nardz]

They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

also alan richardson.

 

[Chase the Ace]

also alan richardson.

So we have Brown, Richardson, Christain and Taylor.
I wonder how many more Dxmxgxd thinks we need?

 

[Magnus the Magpie]

So we have Brown, Richardson, Christain and Taylor.
I wonder how many more Dxmxgxd thinks we need?

Richardson missed out on the 1990 GF after hurting his shoulder in the 2nd Semi. BT was ommitted after the QF.

Still, the point's valid. Add Mckenna, Scott and MM himself, combined with the recent contributions from the likes of Daniher, Laidley and Carey, and lack of premiership experience is hardly a problem. The real problem is getting ourselves into a position where the current crop might get some winning GF experience!

 

[shawthing09]

Malthouse past it that is almost crazy i think in terms of list and injuries to results malthouse alongside laidly has been the best coach of the year if you told me at the start of the year that we would have been competitive in every game bah one without clement and presti for as long as they have been missing i would have been rapt but i would have doubted it i think he has played the right kids at the right time in the right roles and has really been great at keeping the club moving foward instead of tanking and starting again IMO Malthouse's season has been awesome when we first got him i wasn a fan but has won me over as a Malthouse fan the fact is brisbane had a lot more to play for and wanted it more simon black is one of the more skillful players in the comp and turned it on brennan is very hard to match up on adcock is in brilliant form etc brisbane are in top nick and really are giving the finals a shake so don't be to harsh on the back of one disappointing week lol

 

[ant22]

Anyone notice that Collingwood came out after half time and still didnt close the game down. I think Malthouse has passed it. The game isnt 50 years old anymore. They need a younger more adapt coach to the way the game is played now. I think Collingwood really need Tony Shaw in an active role at the club. Many people don't like him but he is unique because he will tell someone if they are a d**khead and he views his opinion. They need more collingwood premiership players down at the club from that 1990 side.

a bit harsh I reckon, Malthouse has coached out of his skin this year. They had a really bad night but sometimes it happens. When a side gets on a role it can be hard to stop.

 

[MarkT]

I love the one bad game defence. It is so far wrong factually for a start but it just isn’t the issue anyway. Even if it was true the one in 2003 should suffice. The ones that followed in 2004 and 2005 said plenty. The one in the final last year hurt my ears it screamed so loud.

The whole point of all of this is winning premierships. MM has already failed. The fact we have now introduced some exciting kids is fantastic. It doesn’t make MM’s inability to structure the list of develop game plans any less relevant. We have the deficiencies that we have had a long and that we have lost grand finals with. What more needs to be said?

MM isn’t the worst coach but that is not the relevant test. How long does a coach get? Daniher got 10 years. Hafey got 5. This is MM’s 7th season. Tony Shaw is not an answer to anything. The next Roos is what we should be searching for. Maybe it is Buckley, maybe it is Voss, maybe it is Longmire or maybe none of them. Hard to say but it aint Malthouse.

 

[Bloben]

I love the one bad game defence. It is so far wrong factually for a start but it just isn’t the issue anyway. Even if it was true the one in 2003 should suffice. The ones that followed in 2004 and 2005 said plenty. The one in the final last year hurt my ears it screamed so loud.

The whole point of all of this is winning premierships. MM has already failed. The fact we have now introduced some exciting kids is fantastic. It doesn’t make MM’s inability to structure the list of develop game plans any less relevant. We have the deficiencies that we have had a long and that we have lost grand finals with. What more needs to be said?

MM isn’t the worst coach but that is not the relevant test. How long does a coach get? Daniher got 10 years. Hafey got 5. This is MM’s 7th season. Tony Shaw is not an answer to anything. The next Roos is what we should be searching for. Maybe it is Buckley, maybe it is Voss, maybe it is Longmire or maybe none of them. Hard to say but it aint Malthouse.

The glass is half empty it seems...

I think we should look at the glass being half full though.

I truly believe that we can put what took place Saturday night down to one bad game. It was practically the same team and same team plan that had been so successful and competitive all season, however on Saturday everything fell apart.

As there was no change in the game plan then the only thing you can put it down to was that there was some form of contageous mental breakdown where the side was not 100% committed. I do not think that I have any idea myself as to why this happened however it is a very young and inexperienced team, and even Mick alluded to something wrong at his post-match press conference.

What happened to them though surely has put the preverbial rocket up their backsides and they will not go into a game so under committed again this year. I would be worried about confidence if we were to face a tough opponent this week, but seeing how Carlton will be trying to lose - I see all of this mess turning around shortly.

 

[Nesian]

hmm i hardly think mick should go, he has been great this year along with his support crew, and just last sat something went wrong either in game plan or in the players head, brisbane had sky high confidence and really had nothing to lose and yeah now its history, either 2 things will happen 1) the wheels will continue to fall off for the rest season 2) this i think should be the more logical result, the coaching staff players shall regroup review heavily on what happened, players will come in out of the side and there will be a massive effort in the next 2months to make up for that 1 pathetic performance.

While the buck does stop with the coach, mick cant play the game for the players its up to the players to do the work and win thats what they are paid to do, and i really thought when just watching the first qtr there seemed to lack any cohesive team effort it was like watching a mob of strangers playing afl footy for the first time together. For me until there is a viable alternative Mick should stay and he has done a real good job this year.

 

[shawthing09]

I love the one bad game defence. It is so far wrong factually for a start but it just isn’t the issue anyway. Even if it was true the one in 2003 should suffice. The ones that followed in 2004 and 2005 said plenty. The one in the final last year hurt my ears it screamed so loud.

The whole point of all of this is winning premierships. MM has already failed. The fact we have now introduced some exciting kids is fantastic. It doesn’t make MM’s inability to structure the list of develop game plans any less relevant. We have the deficiencies that we have had a long and that we have lost grand finals with. What more needs to be said?

MM isn’t the worst coach but that is not the relevant test. How long does a coach get? Daniher got 10 years. Hafey got 5. This is MM’s 7th season. Tony Shaw is not an answer to anything. The next Roos is what we should be searching for. Maybe it is Buckley, maybe it is Voss, maybe it is Longmire or maybe none of them. Hard to say but it aint Malthouse.

The fact of the matter is great lists make great coaches we never had the lists to beat the almighty brisbane side in the past and atm do not think our list is at a stage where you can expect any more then what malthouse has delivered thus far this year i think he and the support team have done a brilliant job of putting a list together where we have so many great prospect kids without bottoming out and tanking and starting again the test for malthouse will be in a couple of years.