March Election

[jo172]

Under your theory of independence I'm not sure whether the supreme court qualifies as independent given they're appointed by the Governor under statutory criteria.

Regardless once someone is in the job (particularly when you're government selected them) it is improper to criticises them for doing an unpopular job particularly as Rann Co do for purely populist purposes.

You mentioned when the parole board get it wrong. That's pretty simple when the offender breaches parole go back to rack packing and stacking them (another example of this government's disgraceful law and order policy).

Pre-emptively deciding it's the wrong decision (particularly to score political points) defeats the whole purpose of parole

 

[Southerntakeover]

Under your theory of independence I'm not sure whether the supreme court qualifies as independent given they're appointed by the Governor under statutory criteria.

Yup.

Youve never encountered that critique before?

Regardless once someone is in the job (particularly when you're government selected them) it is improper to criticises them for doing an unpopular job particularly as Rann Co do for purely populist purposes.

See, you touch there on what i feel the real attention should be. (the government selecting them part.) In reality, if this is continually an issue attention should be paid towards correcting what are obviously flaws in the legislation which creates the parole board, or the regulations under which they operate.

As far as popularism goes... i dont like the playing to the lowest common denominator, i agree with you there.

Its also worth noting though that the populations respect for the legal system is crucial to the concept of the Rule of Law. Ultimately accountability is still important. In the case of the actual judiciary, this is fufilled through the doctorine of Judicial Review. The parole board?

You mentioned when the parole board get it wrong. That's pretty simple when the offender breaches parole go back to rack packing and stacking them (another example of this government's disgraceful law and order policy).

With potentially lethal consequences for the community at large.

Pre-emptively deciding it's the wrong decision (particularly to score political points) defeats the whole purpose of parole

Well, id more suggest that it raises serious questions about the guidelines under which the parole board makes its decisions, and how well they actually match the needs of the justice system, and community values at large.

Again, this is where id love for the debate to be though.

 

[jo172]

Interestingly enough ST you've just neatly summarized my main point of annoyance/venom to the government.

Their efforts (particularly in2005-2008) to undermine public confidence in the judicial system.

They either don't understand or don't care about the importance of public faith in the rule of law.

After all we only really consent to be governed under this system by choice. If The government really wants to have people start questioning the fairness and process of the legal system it can lead to the undermining of the rule of law itself. Unless Rann has a better system if government hidden up jos sleeve I'd really prefer he didn't attack the system.

More electorally speaking though, tonight I heard a poll should come to light putting Adelaide at risk despite it's pretty healthy margin. I doubt this would be indicative of a general swing as some of the central issues of this campaign such as the Marj and the stadium well and truly disproportionately affect Adelaide.

Still not hard to picture swings against the government particularly in North Adelaide along with anyone with allegiance to the RAH

 

[Southerntakeover]

Honestly, i think you get symptom confused with cause.

The disillusionment in the legal system has been going on for years, its not a creation of the Rann Government.

The reality is, there are always areas that will need reform to meet the needs of modern society. Of course, thats all part of the role of government. Whilst the Government shouldnt demonize the legal system, its equally wrong to suggest that it should be placed above reproach, or review. The thing is, the legal fraternity and system tends to be very insular, and resent anyone not as qualified as they having opinions on it. This isnt particularly good for the rule of law either.

 

[jo172]

Honestly, i think you get symptom confused with cause.

The disillusionment in the legal system has been going on for years, its not a creation of the Rann Government.

The reality is, there are always areas that will need reform to meet the needs of modern society. Of course, thats all part of the role of government. Whilst the Government shouldnt demonize the legal system, its equally wrong to suggest that it should be placed above reproach, or review. The thing is, the legal fraternity and system tends to be very insular, and resent anyone not as qualified as they having opinions on it. This isnt particularly good for the rule of law either.

Indeed Rann didn't create it nor dies it exist in a vacuum. However Rann never advocated solutions but merely attacked judges (delusional and soft) lawyers (mullet haired) and administrators (taj mahal) and never offered solutions.

It was a purely political exercise attacking an easy target to the detriment of the system.

There is no way the legal system (or any system come to think of it) is going to be improved without rational debate, some of Robert Mclelland's current reforms towards a national profession and a bill of rights are a good example of this.

Rann and Atkinson never had any intention of allowing a rational debate or were considering substantive changes to the system. As far as they were concerned it was preferable the system remained in it's current format so it was still there to attack. There treatment if genuine reformers such as Pallaras has been equally deplorable.

 

[Play by Numbers]

As much as I would like to see Rann and hopefully Atkinson (residents of Croydon please deliver) voted out by the good people of SA, Australian politics and politicians have probably never been at such a low ebb over the last century in terms of competence and character.

Expect the worst no matter who is elected.

 

[Vader]

Just remember people... no matter who you vote for, a politician will always get in. Also, you can always tell when a politician is lying - their lips are moving.

 

[brucetiki]

As much as I would like to see Rann and hopefully Atkinson (residents of Croydon please deliver) voted out by the good people of SA, Australian politics and politicians have probably never been at such a low ebb over the last century in terms of competence and character.

Expect the worst no matter who is elected.

No chance of Rann losing his seat - Ramsay requires a 25+% swing (second safest Labor seat behind neighbouring Taylor). I think Atkinson's seat is relatively safe, but the Libs might get a decent swing which might make Croydon marginal.

At this stage I still anticipate a Labor win with a reduced margin.

 

[johnnypanther]

Watched most of it and Mike Rann is a disgrace to the state.

"Irresponsible for a politician to attend a rave party"

How dare politicians attempt to understand all culture, particularly potentially subversive culture in order to gain a better understanding of it.

"Outrageous that Isobel Redmond as Premier wouldn't interfere with the decisions of the Parole Board"

That's the most outrageous thing I've heard come out of a politician's mouth not named Adolf or Fred Nile. In no way should criminal sanctions and rehabilitation be a political rather than merit decision.

I finished that debate wondering where he was hiding his pitchfork and horns.

Pure populism at the expense of the people, a disgrace.

I must say that you display a very objective outlook

As for populism - its hardly populism when Labor's 2 major proposals (a new RAH & a revamped Adelaide Oval) are less popular than the Liberal's (a revamped existing RAH & a new city stadium).

 

[jo172]

How about that ad with the Murderers. Vote for us, we will keep Murdereres in gaol! Liberals will free murderers!

Those 15 media advisors sure are earning their pay.


Was it Colon who said that they love to talk crime during elections, cause it doesn't cost a thing.

I just want some of the free eccies that Izzy is dishing out!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Yeah just saw that ad for the first time.

****ing disgraceful.

 

[Macjoe]

Just remember people... no matter who you vote for, a politician will always get in. Also, you can always tell when a politician is lying - their lips are moving.

Lol!

An oldie but a goodie. And remember, folks, our man from Canberra knows.

 

[brucetiki]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...otes-in-morialta/story-fn2sdwup-1225837137310

Looks like Trish Draper will fail to win back the seat of Newland for Liberals. However with Morialta looking like it's going back to the Liberals, I still maintain my initial stance that Labor will win with a reduced majority.

Very surprised Draper got preselected after her disastrous stint as the Federal member for Makin (which has now become a safe Labor seat)

 

[Cap]

yeah i'm suprosed the have re-used Draper.

perhaps they didn't think they were in with a chance.

 

[jo172]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...otes-in-morialta/story-fn2sdwup-1225837137310

Looks like Trish Draper will fail to win back the seat of Newland for Liberals. However with Morialta looking like it's going back to the Liberals, I still maintain my initial stance that Labor will win with a reduced majority.

Very surprised Draper got preselected after her disastrous stint as the Federal member for Makin (which has now become a safe Labor seat)

http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/liberal-wins-but-no-election-victory/1763659.aspx

Very hard to disagree with Mackeras prediction here.

Having said that I don't think Mitchell nor Adelaide can be completely written down to the ALP with a stroke of a pen.

 

[brucetiki]

http://www.independentweekly.com.au/news/local/news/general/liberal-wins-but-no-election-victory/1763659.aspx

Very hard to disagree with Mackeras prediction here.

Having said that I don't think Mitchell nor Adelaide can be completely written down to the ALP with a stroke of a pen.

That article is a good summary, but I think Norwood and Light may remain Labor seats (Norwood's been tipped to go to the Libs for the past couple of elections yet Vini Ciccarrello still hangs in there, while Light is currently held by former Gawler Mayor Tony Piccolo who will hang in there IMO).

While I agree Mitchell is no certainty to go back to Labor, I think Adelaide is safe enough with a 10.4% swing required to oust J-Lo

 

[jo172]

That article is a good summary, but I think Norwood and Light may remain Labor seats (Norwood's been tipped to go to the Libs for the past couple of elections yet Vini Ciccarrello still hangs in there, while Light is currently held by former Gawler Mayor Tony Piccolo who will hang in there IMO).

I would wager anything on Norwood falling, not a chance in the world.

Bar the Italian community Vini carries no good will in the electorate.

(I'm in Norwood)

While I agree Mitchell is no certainty to go back to Labor, I think Adelaide is safe enough with a 10.4% swing required to oust J-Lo

Shitload of ground movement against the RAH and Adelaide Oval proposal which particularly affects Adelaide.

There's also the fact that J-Lo has been particularly weak this term.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I wouldnt assume all of the Adelaide electorate is against the Adelaide oval proposal Jo.

I know more than a few business owners down Prospect Oval rubbing their hands together at the idea.

 

[jo172]

I wouldnt assume all of the Adelaide electorate is against the Adelaide oval proposal Jo.

I know more than a few business owners down Prospect Oval rubbing their hands together at the idea.

And I know resident's actually enrolled in Adelaide instructing solicitor's to fight it

In Mitchell it would be a real shame if Hanna didn't get re-elected. He's one of the few members of state parliament with what i'd describe as a conscience.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Prospect oval should say prospect road....



I was enrolled at Adelaide for quite some time myself incidentally. Its not all the rich North end.... the electorate spans pretty far through 5082.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

http://www.independentweekly.com.au...le-and-the-venerable/1755970.aspx?storypage=1

Good article for Carl Spackler regarding the party for life argument(and anyone who still considers the South Australian Labor Party a force of progressive values).

For every tiny deviation from the standard party line though you still have Rudd building the Mother Of All Beauracracies in Canberra to look after health, which is surely music to the ears of Labour voters everywhere.

 

[smoovy]

I am going to make a prediction that the Liberals may win more of the two party preferred vote, but lose the election.

 

[jackster83]

I was always a Labor supporter but recently, I have come to hate them as much if not more than the Liberals. Basically if we're not Delfin (Lend Lease), we can all go **** off and die as far as Rann is concerned.

I will probably vote for FREE or independent but I think Labor will win (with a reduced majority).

 

[twentydollarnote]

I would wager anything on Norwood falling, not a chance in the world.

Bar the Italian community Vini carries no good will in the electorate.

(I'm in Norwood)



Shitload of ground movement against the RAH and Adelaide Oval proposal which particularly affects Adelaide.

There's also the fact that J-Lo has been particularly weak this term.

My favourite part is when she dusts off the bicycle for the media. Every election it makes an appearance yet somehow she still gets fatter!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Nothing shallow here.