Marcus Drum Retires

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Does anyone know how the forgotten man of Geelong, Marcus Drum, is going? He is no longer listed on the official injury list the club puts out. I'm assuming he has started the long road back in the VFL?

Does anyone believe (barring yet another injury of course) that he may push for senior selection in the second half of the year? Is there a spot up forward or down back? We recruited the man for a reason, and he has obvious potential.

If unable to push for senior selection in the coming months, is it possible he will be delisted at seasons end? Two years and no senior games, the club's patience would have to be wearing thin. Thoughts?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

If you've been reading the VFL weekly reports you would know he got injured 5 minutes into his comeback game a couple of weeks ago and spent the rest of the day on the bench with an icepack on his leg. It may well have been largely precautionary that they did that though given his injury history and it may not be a serious injury again. We'll know by whether he plays next week (VFL have the bye this week) whether that's so or not.

More broadly on your question, talent is there, just needs to get on the park. Scott has spoken very well of his attitude as recently as a few weeks ago, so I don't think the club will be giving up no. And given our (lack) of defender depth in reserve at this stage, we can't afford to be giving up on him yet IMO, providing he can get back on the park.

That's just my opinion though, I could be wrong. Time will tell though, over 4 months left of footy this year so we just need to wait and see, he's still got time on his side.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Marcus Drum

Where is this official injury list?
In the Sun it listed players but West is not on it? Is he injured or is it something else?

For Drum , somehow he has to get on the park and play good or better football in the next 4 months or he is Bell Park bound

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

Official injury list is a crock.

After all Smedts ain't even on it this week and he's gone for the year.

We just have to share what we each know or hear about injuries among ourselves and try and piece together the likely real injuries and timeframes as best we can.

(Someone else posted in one of the VFL threads that West was out for 2-3 with inj)

 

[Gladbaqs]

Re: Marcus Drum

http://injuryupdate.com.au/afl.php

has been updated today: 13 players on it. sheesh.

Drum out for a few weeks with a hamstring strain apparently

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

Thanks Turbo, never seen that site before!

If legit, which is looks like, quite useful.

Our injury list isn't that long compared to some other clubs, as of next week Hunt Ling Milburn and Mooney will be off it, and 3 of the rest are rookies anyway. We could be in much worse shape injury wise.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Marcus Drum

Just can't get any luck with his injuries, which is a shame. Some players just cop a rough deal with injuries and it seems the theme with Drum's career. It would be great to see him return and play out the rest of the season in the VFL before having a big crack next year.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Marcus Drum

Thanks Turbo, never seen that site before!

hahahaha...our ultimate footy comp links to that site for injuries.

sorry, if i had known it had more than the hun/age i would have posted it.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Re: Marcus Drum

If you've been reading the VFL weekly reports you would know he got injured 5 minutes into his comeback game a couple of weeks ago and spent the rest of the day on the bench with an icepack on his leg. It may well have been largely precautionary that they did that though given his injury history and it may not be a serious injury again. We'll know by whether he plays next week (VFL have the bye this week) whether that's so or not.

More broadly on your question, talent is there, just needs to get on the park. Scott has spoken very well of his attitude as recently as a few weeks ago, so I don't think the club will be giving up no. And given our (lack) of defender depth in reserve at this stage, we can't afford to be giving up on him yet IMO, providing he can get back on the park.

That's just my opinion though, I could be wrong. Time will tell though, over 4 months left of footy this year so we just need to wait and see, he's still got time on his side.

Thanks for the info PO. It really is hard to know what injury list to read and what to believe really. Good to know he has a good attitude, I guess he needs to, to get through all these injuries.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Re: Marcus Drum

http://injuryupdate.com.au/afl.php

has been updated today: 13 players on it. sheesh.

Drum out for a few weeks with a hamstring strain apparently

Wow...5 minutes into yet another comeback, he's injured again! How many more setbacks can this kid take? I really feel for him. His body is obviously struggling to stand up to the rigours of footy. It's starting to remind me of Paul Lynch. Let's hope it doesn't come to that

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Re: Marcus Drum

http://injuryupdate.com.au/afl.php

has been updated today: 13 players on it. sheesh.

Drum out for a few weeks with a hamstring strain apparently

Cheers, Gladbags. Haven't seen this one before. Comprehensive list that seems to be on the money.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Marcus Drum

would they rookie drum next year if he plays none to not many games in the VFL? or no real point because they up grade anyway? surely if he plays no games this year rookie could only be his chance to stay the cattery next year right or wrong?

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Marcus Drum

Thanks Turbo, never seen that site before!

If legit, which is looks like, quite useful.
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Are you serious? It sometimes gets a little out of date but it is all I have ever used for supercoach, ultimate footy etc.

 

[Isaac Norm Smith]

Re: Marcus Drum

would they rookie drum next year if he plays none to not many games in the VFL? or no real point because they up grade anyway? surely if he plays no games this year rookie could only be his chance to stay the cattery next year right or wrong?

Good point you make. It's a real possibility they may do a Tom Lonergan and delist him, then rookie list him. His 2 year contract expires at the end of this year and it's unlikely another club would trump us in the rookie draft, due to his history of injury troubles.

As talented as he is, the club's patience would be starting to wear thin. They won't want him to become a list clogger. I think this could be a great option. It gets him off the senior list and still allows him the chance to prove he can overcome his injuries and become a senior afl player.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

Delist and re rookie is a possibility and I doubt anyone else would trump us.

I actually think Drum is reasonably safe. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to play even great footy to get one more year (although it would obviously help) he needs only to do two things; firstly to show his body isn't stuffed, which means he can't afford to get injured again when he comes back in a couple of weeks, and secondly show his attitude to his rehab and playing etc is 100 % right-Scott spoke well of this a few weeks ago, but if they think his body's stuffed or his attitude's not right, then he'll go. Otherwise he's actually fairly safe.

People need to take into account that this year's draft is heavily compromised (yes so was last year's but last year's was a much stronger pool even after GC stuff) and we've already got 5 certain list changes at the end of the year (Ottens Milburn Mooney Ling and Blake obviously) and so they're not going to be desperate to delist people if it means taking pick 70 or 80 in this draft. Drum has, strange as it is to say, picked a good year to get injured. If he was injured in 2011, given how strong that pool is looking (i.e. I think we'll take many more picks then, like we did in 01), I'd be saying he's a dead duck. But this is the sort of year where Drum, or Gillies, or whoever else in our VFL team, is actually going to have to do pretty poorly to get delisted, most of them are reasonably safe if they show good attitude etc. The other thing in Drum's favour is that tall defender wise no one's gone ahead of him in the time he's been out (Lonergan was already way ahead and Gillies hasn't done anything yet to move ahead) so there's still a role there for him, he just needs to get on the park and stay on it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

Are you serious? It sometimes gets a little out of date but it is all I have ever used for supercoach, ultimate footy etc.

I've only ever used tooserious for my SC, obviously I must be a noob

Never seen the site before, but glad I have now, thanks guys!

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Marcus Drum

Delist and re rookie is a possibility and I doubt anyone else would trump us.

I actually think Drum is reasonably safe. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to play even great footy to get one more year (although it would obviously help) he needs only to do two things; firstly to show his body isn't stuffed, which means he can't afford to get injured again when he comes back in a couple of weeks, and secondly show his attitude to his rehab and playing etc is 100 % right-Scott spoke well of this a few weeks ago, but if they think his body's stuffed or his attitude's not right, then he'll go. Otherwise he's actually fairly safe.

People need to take into account that this year's draft is heavily compromised (yes so was last year's but last year's was a much stronger pool even after GC stuff) and we've already got 5 certain list changes at the end of the year (Ottens Milburn Mooney Ling and Blake obviously) and so they're not going to be desperate to delist people if it means taking pick 70 or 80 in this draft. Drum has, strange as it is to say, picked a good year to get injured. If he was injured in 2011, given how strong that pool is looking (i.e. I think we'll take many more picks then, like we did in 01), I'd be saying he's a dead duck. But this is the sort of year where Drum, or Gillies, or whoever else in our VFL team, is actually going to have to do pretty poorly to get delisted, most of them are reasonably safe if they show good attitude etc. The other thing in Drum's favour is that tall defender wise no one's gone ahead of him in the time he's been out (Lonergan was already way ahead and Gillies hasn't done anything yet to move ahead) so there's still a role there for him, he just needs to get on the park and stay on it.

good post..yes l very doubt anyone will steal drum.if ball/krack etc can make there way to collingwood with no side taking them,drum is safe.

 

[you pick one]

Re: Marcus Drum

You sure about Otto,PO given a little help should get at least one more out of him if he commits.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

You sure about Otto,PO given a little help should get at least one more out of him if he commits.

Pretty sure.

To be clear I wasn't flicking him, I'd be happy for him to stay on current form.

But I think it may be possible that part of the reason why Otto looks like he has a new lease on life is actually not missing PS this year, but also because he himself may have decided it's probably his last year-that can be quite a weight off a player's shoulders and often sees them play really well. Anyway, we shall see, but I'd say it's likely a few will choose to retire after this year, and so of course my point was that means given the draft is weak, everyone is pretty safe.

After all, we only took 5 off our list at the end of last year, and that draft was stronger than this one.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Marcus Drum

People need to take into account that this year's draft is heavily compromised (yes so was last year's but last year's was a much stronger pool even after GC stuff) and we've already got 5 certain list changes at the end of the year (Ottens Milburn Mooney Ling and Blake obviously) and so they're not going to be desperate to delist people if it means taking pick 70 or 80 in this draft. Drum has, strange as it is to say, picked a good year to get injured. If he was injured in 2011, given how strong that pool is looking (i.e. I think we'll take many more picks then, like we did in 01), I'd be saying he's a dead duck. But this is the sort of year where Drum, or Gillies, or whoever else in our VFL team, is actually going to have to do pretty poorly to get delisted, most of them are reasonably safe if they show good attitude etc. The other thing in Drum's favour is that tall defender wise no one's gone ahead of him in the time he's been out (Lonergan was already way ahead and Gillies hasn't done anything yet to move ahead) so there's still a role there for him, he just needs to get on the park and stay on it.

PO , it is 2011. Did you mean 2012 as that is supposed to be a very strong draft?
Overall I can see your logic but 2 odd years without a game ... I'd still rather roll the dice on a player or two using Wells nous.
5 certains..well it looks to me that Simpkin and Weston and maybe even Bathie have a chance for promotion and we may need it. Dare I say there will be a couple of trade/non signs min. Someone will go to GWS and someone will be this years Prismal or Laidler.

 

[CatTricks]

Re: Marcus Drum

guarantee we are going to lose one of Simpson or West..

 

[Vdubs]

Re: Marcus Drum

guarantee we are going to lose one of Simpson or West..

Both have done nothing this year. Injuries. If Ottens retires, and Blake goes to GWS, maybe not. Could depend on how we end the year. If we fade out again, and limp thyrough the finals, surely the older brigade of Mooney, Ling, Ottens , Milburn, will be looking at retirement. And if we happen to win the GF, what better way to finish up? Don't think it's worth worrying about until finals time.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Marcus Drum

guarantee we are going to lose one of Simpson or West..

Why would Simpson want out , he must know Ottens is near the end and he is sitting pretty IF he is good enough.

Didn't West sign a 2 year deal? I wouldn't be surprised if he or we decided that a club like GWS would be a good option but we are very close to losing a lot of guys like Mooney, Milburn etc. It may depend on the opportunities he receives the rest of the year.

IMO , the only thing that would change all that is if we land a player who went to the top of the pile in our rucks stocks

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Marcus Drum

guarantee we are going to lose one of Simpson or West..

Nah won't happen, not by choice anyway. No way you would send Ottens, Blake and another ruckman off the list in the same year.

Besides, they'll have a much more open door to the ruck spot next year, and which other club could Dawson walk into next year and realistically expect to be no1 ruck? None I can think of. With only West and Vardy for competition, you'd think he'll stay. Unless we bring a ruck in in trade week, I can't see him moving.

West is contracted for 2012 I'm pretty sure.

PO , it is 2011. Did you mean 2012 as that is supposed to be a very strong draft?
Overall I can see your logic but 2 odd years without a game ... I'd still rather roll the dice on a player or two using Wells nous.
5 certains..well it looks to me that Simpkin and Weston and maybe even Bathie have a chance for promotion and we may need it. Dare I say there will be a couple of trade/non signs min. Someone will go to GWS and someone will be this years Prismal or Laidler.

Yeah sorry wrong year, next year's draft is reputed to be very strong, as the one we just had was. Not to say this year's pool is weak, but it's certainly not as strong. The other thing is we'll likely roll out the other Ablett pick in 2012 so more likely that we want to take more picks then than now.

I do agree Wells could work magic with later picks, but I question whether he'll want to. After all he had picks in the 50's last year that he left unused, and I guarantee you given Wells standing here, if he was desperate to use one of those picks, the Footy Dept would have found someone else to delist. So unless Wells wants to use late picks in this year's draft, guys won't be getting delisted for the equivalent of that. Now, we could get more picks in because fringe guys decide to walk (like last year) and then that changes it a bit. But right now on what we know, if we finish finals (fair assumption I think) we get 3 picks inside 60. I can't see us taking more than 3 or 4 picks out of that, plus 1 or 2 elevated rookies, still doesn't put many people in danger. We won't elevate 3 or 4 rookies unless they've all played seniors this year, I can't think of the last time, if ever, that we did that.

I suspect Wells will rate the draft more (re no of picks to take) in 2012 and will tell the footy dept that like he did in 01, and hence more list changes will happen then than now. This is the other reason marginal players will probably be kept one more year, some because we need to see whether they can fill holes (e.g. rucks) but also because if we want to take more picks in the subsequent year, it's not in our advantage to chop all our marginal players now, because apart from this draft being weak, then if next year's draft has real depth, we'll be forced to chop guys we don't want to in order to access it.

Anyway, it's early in the year and a lot of water to go under the bridge, and my opinions are simply mine so they could well be wrong, but I can't really see the big list turnover happening this year that some are talking about.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Re: Marcus Drum

guarantee we are going to lose one of Simpson or West..

l dont think Dawson will leave,maybe west will go if he doesn't get a game soon.l am pretty sure they told him he was needed at the club.maybe cover as a defender with drum injury and gillies not coming on.anyway with no otto and blake the rucks are very inexperienced.