Mark Johnson

[hoss]

If you could read you would see that we both want Tarrant to pretty much ONLY do these things you mention. Kick it into the 50 and take kicks from the backline. Just stop having him as our second option in the forward line it is costing us.

Well if you said that without completely bagging him, I would have been more likely to agree.

As long as you can accept that Elvis' goalkicking efficiency has been the same as Tarrant's this year and they've obviously both been much more accurate than Murph.

 

[dominguez]

We paid too much for him, but nothing we can do about that now.

I find bagging Schwab helps.

 

[E Shed]

So you'll know then that he's only behind Pav and Rhys for Inside 50's this year. And that his kicking into the F50 has been very good. At one stage he was the only person in the team that could hit Pav on the chest.

And whilst his clangers may be memorable, he ranks 16th in the team in clangers, thats pretty good for a forward.

Yes he does all that stuff well. My only beef with him is his goal kicking.

 

[Memories]

Well if you said that without completely bagging him, I would have been more likely to agree.

As long as you can accept that Elvis' goalkicking efficiency has been the same as Tarrant's this year and they've obviously both been much more accurate than Murph.

Well if you could extract points from posts without getting emotional you wouldn't run into these issues in the first place.

Thing with Pharlap is he doesn't stuff up as much as Tarrant does in front of goal. Not as many OOB, not as many handpasses that don't make it. He also takes marks better in a pack and knows his limits in regards to positioning. If we played Pharlap up forward for 22 games he would easily reach 50 goals... very easily, even with Pav kicking a ton. Tarrant never will unless he somehow gets a confidence transplant sometime within the next 2 seasons. Tarrant is also more useless when the ball is on the ground, we all know Pharlap is a better player than Tarrant so I'll stop with the comparisons.

Only question is can we cover Pharlap not being down back? Maybe.... ya never know with a decent midfield applying defensive pressure.

 

[hoss]

Well if you could extract points from posts without getting emotional you wouldn't run into these issues in the first place.

Thing with Pharlap is he doesn't stuff up as much as Tarrant does in front of goal. Not as many OOB, not as many handpasses that don't make it. He also takes marks better in a pack and knows his limits in regards to positioning. If we played Pharlap up forward for 22 games he would easily reach 50 goals... very easily, even with Pav kicking a ton. Tarrant never will unless he somehow gets a confidence transplant sometime within the next 2 seasons. Tarrant is also more useless when the ball is on the ground, we all know Pharlap is a better player than Tarrant so I'll stop with the comparisons.

Only question is can we cover Pharlap not being down back? Maybe.... ya never know with a decent midfield applying defensive pressure.

I believe that no one, other than a small forward could kick 50, if Pav plays exclusively in the forward line, and while the rest of our team is so Pav conscious.

 

[Memories]

I believe that no one, other than a small forward could kick 50, if Pav plays exclusively in the forward line, and while the rest of our team is so Pav conscious.

Except you have...

Bradshaw/Brown
Franklin/Roughhead

among others

Proving it can happen when you have 2 quality forwards. Pharlap will easily hit 50 if he plays permanently forward, I have zero doubt.

 

[Freo Shark]

Yep, I think Farmer and Johnson will get another year, though fair to say Jeff is walking a tightrope.

I think Solly and Josh Carr will get another two.

"Persist' with Solly, Johnson and Taz? - gee along with Crowley and Palmer they're three of our hardest workers.

Johnno played well but still needs to back it up for the remainder to get another yr. Hes worth keeping in an off-field role if he stops playing.

Farmer likewise, more a midfield role next year if he finishes the year off ok.

Solly and Carr both on a year performance based. I get the feeling Solly is on very very thin ice tho from the CEO's comments.

Taz I really dont know, he cant kick consistently, forward line I dont think so. Its more a case hes better playing for us - then us paying him to play for another club and we'd get **** all for him. Play him til hes up for for renewal (~2yrs?) then pay him half of what hes on now or flick him.

 

[hoss]

Well if you could extract points from posts without getting emotional you wouldn't run into these issues in the first place.

Not emotional, just that I can't quite get into this 'bagging your own' mindset that you thrive on.

 

[E Shed]

Well if you said that without completely bagging him, I would have been more likely to agree.

As long as you can accept that Elvis' goalkicking efficiency has been the same as Tarrant's this year and they've obviously both been much more accurate than Murph.

Murph is a groove player though. Once he hits his groove he's a machine. His opportunities have been very limited and really he hasn't been able to grab them when they've come along. However I don't think you would find many people to agree that Tarrant is a better kick for goal than Murphy.

Tarrant though is a much better all round player. My point in agreeing with Memories is that his weakest aspect is his goal kicking and surely they can find a better way to use him, Like they have with Richo at Richmond this year.

 

[Memories]

Not emotional, just that I can't quite get into this 'bagging your own' mindset that you thrive on.

If you are unable to criticize your own you shouldn't really make any comments in regards to decisions/strategies for our team. Some people should just be happy going with the flow and supporting the team without offering any suggestions or commenting on others unless they have the tools required. In my opinion anyhow.

 

[hoss]

Except you have...

Bradshaw/Brown
Franklin/Roughhead

among others

Proving it can happen when you have 2 quality forwards. Pharlap will easily hit 50 if he plays permanently forward, I have zero doubt.

I was obviously referring to OUR team. Bradshaw and Roughhead generally play much closer to goal than Tarrant, and are fed with better midfields. Both teams are also not as 'one player' conscious as we are when Pav's playing.

 

[hoss]

If you are unable to criticize your own you shouldn't really make any comments in regards to decisions/strategies for our team. Some people should just be happy going with the flow and supporting the team without offering any suggestions or commenting on others unless they have the tools required. In my opinion anyhow.

Difference between criticism, and just emotive, unsubstantiated comment. Provide the stats and I'll happily agree with you. How many OOF's has Tarrant kicked this year in comparison to other players?? Like I said he's kicked 21-14, as far as goal percentage is concerned.

 

[Memories]

Difference between criticism, and just emotive, unsubstantiated comment. Provide the stats and I'll happily agree with you. How many OOF's has Tarrant kicked this year in comparison to other players?? Like I said he's kicked 21-14, as far as goal percentage is concerned.

Hard to find those stats on the net, but from memory I can recall at least 10 OOBOTF and passing stuffups this year from Tarrant. Putting it at about

21 goals from something like 45 possible shots. Regardless of his scoring accuracy, if you think 1.5goals/game is good for our second forward option then you are just being silly. It is pathetic. He isn't scoring enough, whether that's through dropped marks, mistakes, not positioning good enough, etc. The fact is 1.5goals/game isn't what is needed from him.

 

[hoss]

Hard to find those stats on the net, but from memory I can recall at least 10 OOBOTF and passing stuffups this year from Tarrant. Putting it at about

21 goals from something like 45 possible shots. Regardless of his scoring accuracy, if you think 1.5goals/game is good for our second forward option then you are just being silly. It is pathetic. He isn't scoring enough, whether that's through dropped marks, mistakes, not positioning good enough, etc. The fact is 1.5goals/game isn't what is needed from him.

Sorry Memories, but you'll need to do better than 'your memory'.

I've had enough of this silliness. He's not getting enough shots on goal, but it's not all his fault.

 

[Gaspode]

I think Farmer should get another year for sure, he really adds something when used in the midfield. He is generally very creative and still has plenty of zip. Would be great coming off the bench to relieve the other midfielders.

I personally think that Farmer will only get another contract because we're going to have to replace too many other players otherwise.

He doesn't seem to have the same drive as he use to, and I question his kicking ability.

About 4 home games ago I noticed in warm up that he wasn't kicking anything over about 45 metres, and in every game since he hasn't done any long kicks.

Today I think he could of run a bit more, he had the space, so think maybe he doesn't have the legs as before - which is understandable.

His performance makes me wonder if he's already been told that he could be gone at the end of the year.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Peter made a career of kicks that were 15-35m don't see why farmer couldnt do the same, worth another year but at a quarter oft he price

 

[Ripper]

J-Lo was contracted for 2008, so the $375,000 or whatever he's on would have been a factor in our planning for 2008. That money would have been included in the cap when negotiating with other players up until his retirement this year.

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http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=7009&newsId=52895

The club would like to thank Justin for nine years of dedicated service and wishes Justin all the very best for the future.
Contractual arrangements have been resolved, with Justin and the club reaching a settlement which is accounted for in its 2007 TPP.

 

[dominguez]

http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=7009&newsId=52895

I thought he retired in the first week of January for some reason.

Regardless though, all of our salary cap plans throughout the 2007 season for this year would have involved Longmuir playing on. No one springs to mind as having such a good season last year to warrant a significant pay increase, so J Lo's retirement should leave some room to move in the cap since he would have still factored in our plans for 2009 12 months ago.

 

[Ripper]

I thought he retired in the first week of January for some reason.

Regardless though, all of our salary cap plans throughout the 2007 season for this year would have involved Longmuir playing on. No one springs to mind as having such a good season last year to warrant a significant pay increase, so J Lo's retirement should leave some room to move in the cap since he would have still factored in our plans for 2009 12 months ago.

Sandi & Pav would have accounted for a bit of it.

Still, I agree we should have some cap space left.

 

[Lach72]

Murph is a groove player though. Once he hits his groove he's a machine. His opportunities have been very limited and really he hasn't been able to grab them when they've come along. However I don't think you would find many people to agree that Tarrant is a better kick for goal than Murphy.

Tarrant though is a much better all round player. My point in agreeing with Memories is that his weakest aspect is his goal kicking and surely they can find a better way to use him, Like they have with Richo at Richmond this year.

Cobblers

 

[Lach72]

If you are unable to criticize your own you shouldn't really make any comments in regards to decisions/strategies for our team. Some people should just be happy going with the flow and supporting the team without offering any suggestions or commenting on others unless they have the tools required. In my opinion anyhow.

Straight out of the Longshanks song book

 

[E Shed]

Cobblers

I'm talking about his goalkicking. Have you watched him at South?
Lead, mark, kick -straight over the goal umps head.

It is ridiculous to suggest that Murphy is not a great set shot for goal. He just can't get the ball often enough at senior level in our forward setup to be effective. He will kick bags wherever he ends up next year (probably Dogs).

 

[shibz_1989]

RE: Wizard, he assisted with a lot of goals today. He may not be kicking goals, but he's still assisting with creating them.

 

[hoss]

Well it'd be fair to say his (Murphs) conversion this year has been crap. In fact probably the worst of the entire squad. Not good enough for someone with his talent.

 

[E Shed]

Yes absolutely but to be fair he has had so few chances that when he gets a game I'm sure he feels the pressure. It's exacerbated by the fact that he's not a big possession winner so if he only has a couple of shots on goal it's just not good enough. When he was playing good footy in 06 he wasn't getting big numbers but he was bobbing up with 3 or 4 a game by simply not missing. Then someone wrote an article about what a deadeye he was and he got the yips and has never really come back from it.
As has been pointed out plenty of times, he lacks to ticker to demand the footy. The only way you can use him is as a primary leading target. Once he's in his comfort zone
he is a great kick. I imagine at a team like the Dogs they would make him the go to and run a whole lot of set plays around his leading game.