Mark Stevens - All OK?

[Jerome]

Channel 9 reports that Mark Stevens has been given the all clear to play. There is no structural damage to his knee.

Should be Ok to play in 4 weeks. My own guess is that will be in the SANFL even SANFL ressies.

Nothing from the club on this, so I'm not willing to take it as gospel yet.

However, I think the story tonight should prompt them to announce something tomorrow. Hope its good news.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If there's nothing structural, why is he out for another 4 weeks. Is it the same deep seated bruising as last year, and does it mean he is far more succeptable to re-occurance this season???
If so how will his mind set be??

 

[Stiffy_18]

I hope you are right Jerome. i didn't watch Ch9 but if thats the prognosis then its good news. Hopefully we can manage him well for a couple of years and get the best out of him. I would probably give him half a year in the SANFL to get some form and confidence and see if his body can hold up to a regular game. Get him primed for the finals but I doubt we will see the best of Stevo ever again.

We also shouldn't play him on hard surfaces ala Telstra Dome.

He needs to be trained to land a bit better. Maybe get him to wear some padding around his knees so it softens the blow.

 

[macca23]

Jerome's report is accurate - they said there was no structural damage.

One can only conclude that it is deep-seated bruising from the bone on bone in his knee due to the lack of any cartilage. Otherwise he'd be cleared to play straight away.

We really need him, but as Stiffy said, we'll probably never see the best of him again in the matches that he does play.

Bugger!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Are those "cushioning" injections that Stevo and Bunji are taking any good or is it just an experimental thing??????

If its bone bruising, then that thing can be very tricky and can take a long time to get over. As long as he is fit and firing come the business end of the season then I would be very happy.

Hope for the best but expect the worst.

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
If there's nothing structural, why is he out for another 4 weeks. Is it the same deep seated bruising as last year, and does it mean he is far more succeptable to re-occurance this season???
If so how will his mind set be??

Hopefully the club makes a statement on Steveo's status soon and explains what is going on.

As for his mind set, who knows? I hope he's not in the sort of mind set Francou is in (I'm only using that as an example, I'm not having a go at JF here).

The possibility of returning in 4 weeks (if that report is accurate) is better than none at all.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

well I didn't see the story myself.......bugger!

I have come to the conclusion that I will believe it when I see it!

I have my fingers crossed and I am hoping for the best.

k
xx

 

[Damp Squarie]

Originally posted by Jerome
Should be Ok to play in 4 weeks.

Pipe and Dream

 

[Watzsup]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World

If so how will his mind set be?? [/B]

His mind should be as good as Mcleod's as he has the same issue with his knee. Just hope both players don't miss too many games.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Watzsup
His mind should be as good as Mcleod's as he has the same issue with his knee. Just hope both players don't miss too many games.

Not quite. According to John Reid Stevo's knee is much worse than McLeod's which is a woryy especially considering that Stevo plays in key position which would mean that his knee takes more battering than McLeod's.

Stevo is also the sort of player that gets depressed easily with his injuries. Last year just before he copped that ribs injury in SANFL, he sounded very depressed and was contemplating giving it up.

I think its safe to say that he is shot mentally. I hope I am wrong and we see Stevo back to his usual self on and off the field but I just can't see it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Where the is life, there is hope.

** fingers crossed!!

 

[Watzsup]

Not quite only because Mcleod has not had as many knocks to the knee. The actual injury is the same and both players will have to play out their carreers with the injury.
As most players with a permanant managable injury they are OK providing they can move on the field without too much discomfort or post match problems.
Stevo will be Ok providing the injury allows him on the park and he doesn't get set back too often. (remember he has been carrying this injury for a while)

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Watzsup
Not quite only because Mcleod has not had as many knocks to the knee. The actual injury is the same and both players will have to play out their carreers with the injury.
As most players with a permanant managable injury they are OK providing they can move on the field without too much discomfort or post match problems.
Stevo will be Ok providing the injury allows him on the park and he doesn't get set back too often. (remember he has been carrying this injury for a while)

I am only going by what John Reid said. Actually he said that macca's knee is much better and that Stevo has 4 troubled spots within the structure of the knee. He also said that neither macca or Stevo have cartilige in their knee but Stevo's is worse as it also doesn't have maniskus (sp????). Don't ask me what that is but Reidy seemed straight to the point in saying that Stevo's knee is much worse than McLeod's. Read into it what you like but Reidy just about wrote Stevo off.

Its the "same" injury BUT there are degrees of damage. If the chronic injury is beyond the point of managment then there is not much you can do about it.

 

[Ozzie]

Poor Stevo is done.

 

[crowsfan]

Well, it seems like there's a contradiction here. I didn't see the report today, but if Channel 9 says there's no structural damage to Stevo's knee, and Reid says that there is not much cartilage and there is no meniscus, someone must be wrong as lack of cartilage and lack of meniscus IS structural damage.

If there's no cartilage there, then it allows bone to rub on bone, as they said. I'm not sure if the cartilage can grow back, but I don't think it can.

Also, if there's no meniscus, then I think that that spells worse trouble. The meniscus prevents side to side movement of the knee joint. If Stevo has little meniscus it would increase his chances of injuring his knee joint, as he does play CHF, which puts a lot of stress on your joints (obviously).

Don't mean to be so negative, but I don't think the situation is good.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by crowsfan
Don't mean to be so negative, but I don't think the situation is good.

Thats pretty much how I would interpret it. I am not medical expert but listening to Reidy on 5AA about a week ago, he painted a pretty bleak picture. Having no cartilage is bad enough but having very little meniscus left makes it even worse.

Both Stevo and macca are getting these injections that "manufacture" temporary cushioning between the bones in the joint. I am not sure if they are any good but still one would think you cannot replace whats natural with artificial stuff and expect it to be close to 100%.

Time will tell. As Kane said where there is life there is hope.

fingers crossed.

 

[CrowBoi]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
one would think you cannot replace whats natural with artificial stuff and expect it to be close to 100%.

Just ask Britney and Pamela!

 

[Fergus]

Stevo has to be taught how to land when he puts his body on the line in marking contests. I have watched a few replays of the early games last year and poor old Stevo takes divots with his knees that Jack Nicklaus would be proud of.

Given that he has no cartilage or meniscus left he needs to stop ploughing the turf and somehow keep his feet or slide to the side. Pretty hard to teach a player how to do this after so many years of doing things a certain way though.

He may need to be restricted to the softer grounds.

 

[napsyd]

Lets hope that the report is true. We've previously discussed how important Stevo is to our structure and this was evidenced by our bizarre forward line performance on the weekend.

Certainly I'd be waiting for the club to make some sort of announcement before cracking the champers (or Coopers for that matter).

Agree completely with Fergus also. Stevo seems unable to take a mark without falling to the ground and using his bad knee like an impact brake! He needs to be shown how to avoid this, padded up or only played on the softer grounds.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree with Fergus and napsyd in regards ro Stevo's landing. If or when he comes back I would only play him on softer grounds, so Telstra Dome is out of question. We also should come up with some knee brace that will provide plenty of padding so when he does land on it at least it doesn't have as big a impact as it would without padding.

I am not sure that teaching him to land now will work. Yo can't teach old dog new tricks. Teaching him how to land should have been done years ago.

As much as I would love to see Stevo at CHF, I think those days are over. The best we can hope is for him to play at FF and hope he takes his marks on a quick lead where he doesn't fall down rather than using his knee as a brake pad.

Stevo at CHF straightens us up better than any other option we have but as I said the best we can hope for is Stevo at FF taking marks and kicking a couple of goals.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I suppose having Stevo play for non Telstra Dome & probably Subiaco games is better than no Stevo at all (excluding finals of course). The Lions similarly avoid sending Lynch on long flights.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I suppose having Stevo play for non Telstra Dome & probably Subiaco games is better than no Stevo at all (excluding finals of course). The Lions similarly avoid sending Lynch on long flights.

I think he really needs to be managed like no one before. What Brisbane does with Lynch and long trips is something I would seriously consider doing with Carey. With Stevo travel would not be an issue it would be more about the hardness of the ground. Telstra Dome would be definetly out of the question IMO. Maybe Subi and possibly GABBA.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think he really needs to be managed like no one before. What Brisbane does with Lynch and long trips is something I would seriously consider doing with Carey. With Stevo travel would not be an issue it would be more about the hardness of the ground. Telstra Dome would be definetly out of the question IMO. Maybe Subi and possibly GABBA.

Stiffy, I knew you were referring to hardness of the grounds - hence threw in Subi too. Just mentioning Lynch as an example of player management (for different reasons).

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Stiffy, I knew you were referring to hardness of the grounds - hence threw in Subi too. Just mentioning Lynch as an example of player management (for different reasons).

Sorry mate I wasn't having a go. You mentioned Lynch and his travelling situation and it got me thinking that we should probably do similar things with Carey this year.

Managment Plan for Stevo: Don't play him on hard grounds
Managment Plan for Carey: Don't take him on long trips unless we really have to.

 

[naughty monkey]

All your supposing is academic. He'll be very lucky to even play for the Eagles this year... And that was straight from the horses mouth.