Mark Williams hypocritical???

[bringbackbucky]

Somehow i dont think the crows will get much success out of watching port train and copying our game plan. Port's game plan is baced upon quick movement through chf to any number of our dominant marking forwards. If the Crows try this method it will be football suicide due to their lack of key forwards...

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Well you got 3 letters right.
You must be his twin

You're right, the first three

 

[Toots Hibbert]

One that points out the fine line between champion and chump.

Yes that is indeed true macca23. I have had pause to reflect on this a number of times over the summer. I did admire St Kilda that night, it is an awesome feeling when your team wins those close ones and I thank the sporting gods for smiling on us that night. Them and Gav and Junior and all the rest...

 

[Jars458]

well yes, why would you try to bait the reigning premiers? - how could you?

You don't have much of an imagination do you?

Maybe you could call the coach's sister a fat hag. That seems to stir people up.

 

[jakey]

Jakes - thats where we differ son. The AFC is all about winning the ultimate prize. Everything else is a secondary consideration. If you want to try and console yourself with the FACT that the Crows are clearly a more successful club at the elite level in winning the ultimate prize in both an ABSOLUTE and RELATIVE sense by your delusional thoughts then ago ahead my friend.

PS I forgot to mention - half the teeth also!

Hehe. I love it.

Look (I say, lisping through my half-set of pearly whites ), as your mate so aptly pointed out, its a fine line between champ and chump, had Carey kicked a little straighter in '98, the crows would have one permiership...if the saints had held their nerve in '97, maybe none. If wangas had kicked out-on the full in the PF this year, maybe Port would've missed out in OT. Who can say. However, over the course of the years and decades, successful cultures emerge. Your coupla lucky ones were nice for you lot...we've got one now and will continue to add to the collection, cos thats what we do at PAFC.

That's all i'm saying. Its not an inferiority complex. It's a fully-fledged superiority complex .

 

[Damp Squarie]

You're right, the first three

Go away you pest...havent you got ballet lessons?

 

[Mad Dog]

It's footy season.....the boys are fit - the goal posts are up - the balls are pumped up - and Choke-o is still whinning like a school girl - nothing ever changes.

2 things -

it is incumbant on every club to learn from the premiership side of the previous years.......bloody hell in 98 and 99 we had delegations from other clubs walking thru our facilities and grilling NC on sports fitness stuff....so what.....????....this year everyone looks at the Paps for clues - it's only natural.

the thing that irks me is why half of JR's segment on the news last night with Kym Dillon was devoted to analysing Choke-o's comments...... talk about the Crows FFS.

of course we should look at what the premier does and take what we can from it.....all clubs should.......and Choke-o shouldn't get is knickers in a twist over it...

 

[Truck Rutten]

Hehe. I love it.

Look (I say, lisping through my half-set of pearly whites ), as your mate so aptly pointed out, its a fine line between champ and chump, had Carey kicked a little straighter in '98, the crows would have one permiership...if the saints had held their nerve in '97, maybe none. If wangas had kicked out-on the full in the PF this year, maybe Port would've missed out in OT. Who can say. However, over the course of the years and decades, successful cultures emerge. Your coupla lucky ones were nice for you lot...we've got one now and will continue to add to the collection, cos thats what we do at PAFC.

That's all i'm saying. Its not an inferiority complex. It's a fully-fledged superiority complex .

You are in for a rude shock mate. This is not the Sanfl, and teams simply will not dominate for years on end. The powers that be have decided they don't want a competition like that, hence the draft, salary caps, the cbf etc. It is always going to be cyclical in a manufactured environment like this.

 

[Crow-mosone]

You're dead right, Choco is extremely interesting.

Interesting, in the same way Michael Jackson is interesting. Choco opens his mouth, and like a car crash you just can't look away.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You moron, he works for us now.

 

[Crow-mosone]

half the time in the comp too.

and yet you have managed 267 premierships in that time?

 

[Crow-mosone]

cos thats what we do at PAFC.

Hang on, what's this "we". More vicarious attempts at self validation through the success of others?

now we can start talking about a 'complex'.

 

[Truck Rutten]

and yet you have managed 267 premierships in that time?

Gold!

 

[Stiffy_18]

I saw the interview with Choco, and it was his standard sarcastic Crows reference which he has become very adept at in the last year or so.

Why a premiership coach has such an inferiority complex is beyond me.

Great coach - disastrous PR man. Just ask Bucky how close his smart arse comment against the club's principal sponsor came to costing them a huge bucket of money each year.

Still, if Craig turns out as good a coach, I won't give a rat's about his PR skills either.

When it comes to PR skills Craig has it all over Choko. I would say that Choko is a better coach by a country mile. Hopefully Craig can develop into one hell of a coach. He has been doing very well off-field and I hope he is as good in the coaches box as he has been off-field

 

[Stiffy_18]

Yes, I remember you all saying that when he was first appointed, and poor old Cockroach Chicken/Collapsible Cars Cahill was unceremoniously dumped.

There were Port supporters right left and centre dumping their memberships along with the stolen cars.

Even at the beginning of last year, there were those of the twisted faith knifing this newly elevated hero for past final performances.

Would he still have been interesting if St Kilda had kicked just 1 more goal in the prelim??

Well said.

Its interesting how qucikly someone can go from vilan (sp???) to hero and vice versa.

 

[captain ebert]

When it comes to PR skills Craig has it all over Choko. I would say that Choko is a better coach by a country mile. Hopefully Craig can develop into one hell of a coach. He has been doing very well off-field and I hope he is as good in the coaches box as he has been off-field

if choco can coach a premiership team, i dont think his PR skills would be all that bad.

perhaps you meant craig had better "media skills"? anyway, who cares? media skills dont win you flags either.

all it does mean is that he'll be a cardboard cut-out at press conferences - able to make the best of the worst situations with all of the classic cliches & you'll be blissfully unaware.

mark williams tells it how it is & you love it.

 

[captain ebert]

Gold!

you guys are so easily amused.

 

[noddy]

mark williams tells it how it is & you love it.

Mark Williams is just performing a "Nigel" in creating some feeling for sundays game.

Now is he doing a copy-cat of previous showdown games niggling ??

I reckon he is.

 

[Crowked]

I think the Advertiser must be watching the delayed telecast, only 2 days behind the rest of the world.


Power boss says Crows are copycats
By ANDREW CAPEL
18feb05

PORT Adelaide coach Mark Williams has added further spice to the hometown rivalry with Adelaide by accusing the Crows of being copycats.

And the Crows have hit back by saying they would be naive not to take note of how the Power won last year's AFL premiership.
Williams claimed the Power's bitter enemy was "trying a lot of our stuff", wryly adding "so it should work for them". Williams made the claim as the teams prepared for Sunday's Wizard Cup first round clash at AAMI Stadium. "They've been working over the pre-season, they've got a lot of new coaches and are trying a lot of new things," he said of the Crows. "We see that they are trying a lot of our stuff."

Williams did not elaborate but is understood to be referring to Adelaide's new training methods and bigger emphasis on leadership and game planning.

Crows coach Neil Craig, who replaced Gary Ayres after round 13 last season, drastically changed Adelaide's training when he took over, putting a bigger emphasis on skills - something which has been preached heavily at Port under Williams.

And all of the Power's secrets were handed over to Adelaide when the West Lakes club lured Port's recruiting guru, Alan Stewart, from Alberton.

"I think every team in the past 10 years which has won the premiership has had other clubs look at what they do, what has made them successful," Adelaide football operations general manager John Reid said. "It would be remiss of us - or any team - not to pick information up. I'm sure Port has done the same.

"Once you get that information you analyse it, see if it fits your program. Some you use, some you disregard.

"All clubs are the same."

Adelaide will find some irony in Williams' copycat call.

Port has this season appointed two former Crows club champions to its coaching staff - ruck coach Mark Mickan, who was Adelaide's inaugural best and fairest winner in 1991, and Tony McGuinness (1993). The former Crows captain oversees Port's forwards. Previously, the Power had Crows premiership ruckman David Pittman tutor its big men.

 

[Portia]

When it comes to PR skills Craig has it all over Choko.

I guess this ratings depends on if you're trying to avoid publicity or attract it.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

well yes, why would you try to bait the reigning premiers? - how could you?

You know the 150 years of tradition thing.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Yes, I remember you all saying that when he was first appointed, and poor old Cockroach Chicken/Collapsible Cars Cahill was unceremoniously dumped.

I dont think the scar has healed in his back where the knife was lodged either.

 

[arrowman]

I think the Advertiser must be watching the delayed telecast, only 2 days behind the rest of the world.

Well, be fair, it's hard to get the news out quickly when you have to
1. Listen to / read transcripts from 5AA, 3AW, SEN and the ABC
2. Tape and watch all the TV news services
3. Surf the PAFC, AFC and AFL websites (plus BigFooty)
4. Then consolidate and distil all the material, tweak a few quotes and make it look like it's all your own work.

 

[*PAF]

...Power boss says Crows are copycats
By ANDREW CAPEL
18feb05

PORT Adelaide coach Mark Williams has added further spice to the hometown rivalry with Adelaide by accusing the Crows of being copycats.

And the Crows have hit back by saying they would be naive not to take note of how the Power won last year's AFL premiership.
Williams claimed the Power's bitter enemy was "trying a lot of our stuff", wryly adding "so it should work for them". Williams made the claim as the teams prepared for Sunday's Wizard Cup first round clash at AAMI Stadium. "They've been working over the pre-season, they've got a lot of new coaches and are trying a lot of new things," he said of the Crows. "We see that they are trying a lot of our stuff."

Williams did not elaborate but is understood to be referring to Adelaide's new training methods and bigger emphasis on leadership and game planning.

Crows coach Neil Craig, who replaced Gary Ayres after round 13 last season, drastically changed Adelaide's training when he took over, putting a bigger emphasis on skills - something which has been preached heavily at Port under Williams.

And all of the Power's secrets were handed over to Adelaide when the West Lakes club lured Port's recruiting guru, Alan Stewart, from Alberton.

"I think every team in the past 10 years which has won the premiership has had other clubs look at what they do, what has made them successful," Adelaide football operations general manager John Reid said. "It would be remiss of us - or any team - not to pick information up. I'm sure Port has done the same.

"Once you get that information you analyse it, see if it fits your program. Some you use, some you disregard.

"All clubs are the same."

Adelaide will find some irony in Williams' copycat call.

Port has this season appointed two former Crows club champions to its coaching staff - ruck coach Mark Mickan, who was Adelaide's inaugural best and fairest winner in 1991, and Tony McGuinness (1993). The former Crows captain oversees Port's forwards. Previously, the Power had Crows premiership ruckman David Pittman tutor its big men.

What an article.
That is an embarrassment to journalism.

 

[Portia]

You're not suggesting that that `article' is just a rebadged unofficial AFC release, are you?