Martin Hardie: I write the forms... I think Evans ran the program

[Satan]

I don't disagree with you at all. It's no coincidence that key people are silent until this plays out. I've always wanted this to go the distance through the courts. Far too much will remain hidden if doesn't. This could be its own underbelly series. It's that deep.

If you take the Aod stuff you wont get an underbelly

 

[western royboy]

If you take the Aod stuff you wont get an underbelly

Champagne comedy - well played sir

 

[Satan]

Champagne comedy - well played sir

When your a melbourne supporter comedy has been a great distraction for the last few years

 

[Chief]

We had to research the ALP-AFL links once we knew Armstrong Creek property deal stank. PS who's Ian Hanke?

AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...

 

[CozzaD]

I think some folks might be getting a little distracted from the core of CozzaD's contribution. History is littered with examples of pollies, from all sides, making hay for themselves, and mates. What's more, it is far from unknown for business interests to trump political allegiances. Being in the "tent" has more to do with connection and influence than political philosophy

So, while skepticism is always worthy, from what I've come to know over the last 20 odd months, what CozzaD's put forward looks pretty damn close to me. I was aware of a property deal connection running from Thompson's time in Geelong back to Essendon. I was aware of the Phosphagenics connection to Calzada - Phosphagenics were licensed by Calzada to produce AOD (in Taiwan, under contract) for inclusion in the fat busting cream 'compounded' in the US of A, where it was sold as a cosmetic (until the Yanks took it out of the cream 'cos it was too expensive). Further, the 2 companies seemed to swap staff more than most.

And, there's more in what Cozza's contributed that rings true, or very damn close to it, to me.

Ergo, I'll be very interested to read further offerings, and see if it gels with what I understand or suspect. I've already been able to fill in a couple of gaps.

Could be a sham, of course, but I haven't seen any evidence of it, so far.

Thanks mate. There is more info for sure, I’ll let the BF crew digest it for a day or so, then come back?

 

[4#Didak#4]

Just googled him. A nobody, story is bigger than him. Hird is at Court to protect the Corporates, not the players, in my view. In saying that, interesting he has a Lib Party background. But at the end of the day, he's not running the show.

Hi Ian

 

[Keys]

Yes there's some cosy / boys clubs deals and connections within the AFL but I'm not convinced this has anything to do with the supplements saga at essendon beyond some of those boys trying to look after each other. It was all going to plan too I think until Hird refused to go under the bus and pushed Evans there instead

The supplements saga is Hird falling for Danks snake oil pitch and, blinded by results, ignored the warning signs that it might not be legit to the extent that he attacked/sidelined anyone who questioned it. I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that Hird doesn't want the evidence from the ASADA investigation coming out because it reveals how hard he pushed the program.

 

[Parkerman]

Thanks mate. There is more info for sure, I’ll let the BF crew digest it for a day or so, then come back?

Any link between Calzada products and Ramanauskas' cancer? Either before or after his diagnosis?

 

[QuietB]

Hi all,
First time poster, but I think I have valuable information on this.

Here's how it works, as far as I understand it:

David Evans, via his private company Evans and Partners, looks to invest in Phosphagenics/Calzada circa 2011/2012. Remember Mark Thompson has returned to Ess from Geelong by this time.

On the Board of Evans and Partners is Bill Kelty and Eddie McGuire (see here: https://www.evansandpartners.com.au/ourpeople/advisoryboard/ ). As you know Bill Kelty is also an AFL Commissioner.

Scam is that Evans and Partners were trying to make money off pharmaceuticals. Ess players were 'test moles'. Think about it, what financial benefit for 30 players was there to take AOD/Thyamosin? The penalties are too risky. Wining an AFL Premiership is not worth a WADA/ASADA 4 years ban. Nor is the pay packet of most AFL footballers on a global scale like F1 drivers, EPL soccer players and cyclists, there is too much to lose for the players.

Evans had to quit Ess in 2013 as the situation couldn't be managed and he is being groomed as the next Mike Fitzpatrick (i.e. AFL Chairman, like his father Ron). David will go away for 5 years and replace Mike when the time is right.

Bill Kelty is your real tip off from the 'phone call' in Feb 2013 at Hird's house (or wherever it was). Bill Kelty is conflicted as an AFL Commissioner and as a Board Member of Evans and Partners. Andrew Demetriou took the fall for Kelty.

ALSO, to solve ASADA you have to go back to 2010 and Mark Thompson at Geelong, his mate Justin Madden (then Victorian State Planning Minister) re-zones land for them in Geelong (Armstrong Creek, which was bought cheaply by Thompson, Mark Casey the Ess Coterie Club Chief and Adrian Dodoro who is Ess Recruiting Manager). Thompson cleans up financially, moves to Essendon, brings Dank and Robinson with him, they tip off Evans to financial interests of Calzada/Phosphagenics and the rest is history.

Simon Madden is not on the Ess Board out of charity, his brother helped make many Ess officials rich via Armstrong Creek property deal.

I've been reading here for some time to try and help you out somehow, but will now open my mouth, in the interest of the greater good.

AHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAA...

Timing is everything in this little saga

So lets see,

1. Thrown bomber under a bus
2. Thrown Evans under a bus (again) - although does state that despite being the mastermind of this whole thing Evans will just cossie on in to the AFL Chairman's position one day.
3. Kelty - under the bus
4. Olive branch for Demtriou - but then he is not a player anymore is he.
5. Nice shot across the bow for Madden
6. Equally pertinent shot across the bow of Dodoro and pretty much the entire Essendon Coterie
7. Not one mention of Hird
8. All the day after the Federal Court appeal finished

 

[western royboy]

Yes there's some cosy / boys clubs deals and connections within the AFL but I'm not convinced this has anything to do with the supplements saga at essendon beyond some of those boys trying to look after each other. It was all going to plan too I think until Hird refused to go under the bus and pushed Evans there instead

The supplements saga is Hird falling for Danks snake oil pitch and, blinded by results, ignored the warning signs that it might not be legit to the extent that he attacked/sidelined anyone who questioned it. I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that Hird doesn't want the evidence from the ASADA investigation coming out because it reveals how hard he pushed the program.

Regardless of what stance you take - Hird believes he did nothing wrong, that he was pushed under the bus to protect the Boys. He wants to clear his name and will stop at nothing to do so. The Boys would much prefer he took one for the team and so that it all ends there.

Clearly he is not, the boys trying to look after one another goes to the heart of corporate governance in this country. I would love it to get blown wide open because I believe there are significant breaches of the law by some big players and when you join all the dots - BOOM!

 

[CozzaD]

Any link between Calzada products and Ramanauskas' cancer? Either before or after his diagnosis?

Haven’t gone back that far. Calzada link came up when checking out “Evans and Partners” corporate stuff. David Grace QC acting for both Essendon and Phosphagenics caught my eye.

Athletics Australia stink in all this too.

 

[CozzaD]

Regardless of what stance you take - Hird believes he did nothing wrong, that he was pushed under the bus to protect the Boys. He wants to clear his name and will stop at nothing to do so. The Boys would much prefer he took one for the team and so that it all ends there.

Clearly he is not, the boys trying to look after one another goes to the heart of corporate governance in this country. I would love it to get blown wide open because I believe there are significant breaches of the law by some big players and when you join all the dots - BOOM!

Key words. Corporate Governance is key here.

 

[TerryWallet]

Timing is everything in this little saga

So lets see,

1. Thrown bomber under a bus
2. Thrown Evans under a bus (again) - although does state that despite being the mastermind of this whole thing Evans will just cossie on in to the AFL Chairman's position one day.
3. Kelty - under the bus
4. Olive branch for Demtriou - but then he is not a player anymore is he.
5. Nice shot across the bow for Madden
6. Equally pertinent shot across the bow of Dodoro and pretty much the entire Essendon Coterie
7. Not one mention of Hird
8. All the day after the Federal Court appeal finished

Bit like the shot across Xavier's bow fed to Robbo the day before Hird was to be sacked.

 

[western royboy]

Key words. Corporate Governance is key here.

I like your work - people get side tracked by the PED's thing - which is big in its own right, but the corporate governance breaches by a number of parties have been largely swept under the carpet. That is a major thing in Hird's crusade.

 

[CozzaD]

Bit like the shot across Xavier's bow fed to Robbo the day before Hird was to be sacked.

Believe what you want boys. You’ll be the lesser for it. Small minds = Ignorance and all that……

I can confirm that the research to date has been well documented, with links/articles etc to back it up

I’ve still got more to come, I haven’t warmed up my tonsils yet.

 

[CozzaD]

I like your work - people get side tracked by the PED's thing - which is big in its own right, but the corporate governance breaches by a number of parties have been largely swept under the carpet. That is a major thing in Hird's crusade.

You got it.

 

[TerryWallet]

Believe what you want boys. You’ll be the lesser for it. Small minds = Ignorance and all that……

I can confirm that the research to date has been well documented, with links/articles etc to back it up

I’ve still got more to come, I haven’t warmed up my tonsils yet.

lol...this should be fun

 

[Keys]

Regardless of what stance you take - Hird believes he did nothing wrong, that he was pushed under the bus to protect the Boys. He wants to clear his name and will stop at nothing to do so. The Boys would much prefer he took one for the team and so that it all ends there.

Clearly he is not, the boys trying to look after one another goes to the heart of corporate governance in this country. I would love it to get blown wide open because I believe there are significant breaches of the law by some big players and when you join all the dots - BOOM!

I think it was about protecting the AFL's sporting image moreso than the boys club. Vlad wanted the saga to be sold as a rogue sports scientist who took advantage of an inexperienced coach to dupe players and in the process expose them to the risk of taking PEDs without actually doing so which, oddly, is probably pretty close to the truth.

Problem for Vlad's plan was that Hird couldn't stomach the idea that he would have to admit making a mistake and possibly because Dank made it known that he's tell all and sundry that Hird (and others) weren't naive bystanders to the program but in fact knew more about it than they were willing to admit.

If Hird does go nuclear then some of these cosy arrangements between Kelty, Evans, Vlad etal may well have some light shone on them as well. Hird is protecting Hird and he doesn't care what the collateral damage is

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I think a lot of us read with some amusement Hardies lambasting on this website:

http://www.thegolfforum.com/index.php?/topic/6853-devices-and-remembering-fuzzy-zoeller/

But it was this statement about Evans running the program which got my interest.


"If you want to know what i think about Dank, Hird or Gallen read my opeds etc or wait for my book next year (btw I think a guy called evans ran the program)"

If true, what implications does this have on the whole saga?

If not, why even throw it out there as it has a whole new range of implications for him personally.

I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if that is banter or slander?

 

[Keys]

Believe what you want boys. You’ll be the lesser for it. Small minds = Ignorance and all that……

I can confirm that the research to date has been well documented, with links/articles etc to back it up

I’ve still got more to come, I haven’t warmed up my tonsils yet.

Does any of what you have to come portray Hird in a bad light?

 

[TerryWallet]

Does any of what you have to come portray Hird in a bad light?

He might just throw a tad in now lol.......for effect

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Does any of what you have to come portray Hird in a bad light?

The guinea pig program is not a good look if he was neck deep in the investment opportunity ...

 

[CozzaD]

Does any of what you have to come portray Hird in a bad light?

I’ll say this - The fish we’re aiming for and have found strong links to, are much bigger than Hird.

 

[sonnywalters]

Christmas time!

BACKGROUND
In light of Essendon FC losing the Federal Court case some months back, and Justice Middleton having a go at the Gillard Government in it, I feel that this issue of heavy links between key AFL figures (including ex Essendon Chairman David Evans) and the ALP is now an 'open slather' topic. The question is conflict of interest and use of these positions/links for personal financial gain should be covered now, with no fear or favour.

I've drawn below a Summary List of Key AFL Figures with strong and common links to some ALP heavies.

It is borderline journalistic ignorance to not at least look at this. The Trade Union Royal Commission is also showing some AFL links there to slush funds also.

Bill Kelty
Ex Aus Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) President, current AFL Commissioner and Board/Committee of AFL Sports Ready (HE ALSO sits on the Board of David Evans Private Company, Evans and Partners). May also have links to “Media Strategy Company” used in defamation case for Dean Robinson.

Andrew Demetriou
Employed ex ALP Minister’s Key Man to AFL in 2007 (Phil Martin) and now has Bastion Business interests with him, and Creswick Quartz. Also see Demetriou/ALP Links here http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...mments/the_l_in_afl_must_mean_labor/desc/P40/ and http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...e-a-boring-bloke/story-fni5f22o-1226938528929

Mike Fitzpatrick
See here for evidence of ALP sympathies/allegiances http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/06/26/mike-fitzpatricks-tricky-anz-stadium-conflict-of-interest/

Eddie McGuire
His brother Frank McGuire is Labor MP for Broadmeadows. Eddie McGuire and David Evans share several Boards (Shane Warne Foundation and “Evans and Partners”)

Steve Bracks
Board Member: AFL Sports Ready (Bill Kelty is linked here too) http://www.aflsportsready.com.au/our-story/the-team/patrons-ambassadors

Peter Walsh (ex Chief of Staff for John Brumby)
Current Board Member of Western Bulldogs FC, involved in 2010 Matthew Primus Betting Incident

Redstick Strategic Communication
‘Lobby arm’ for Geelong FC and Armstrong Creek Property Development (see Justin Madden/Mark Thompson/Mark Casey links)

David Evans
Check the Board of his private company Evans and Partners, both Bill Kelty and Eddie McGuire sit on it. David Evans also sits on Victoria Police Corporate Advisory Committee.

What are you getting at Cozza? Are you suggesting this entire thing is some ALP conpiracy against Hirdy? And that Minister Dutton and the entire judiciary are also in on it?

Hird was up to his nuts in doping and went to the Calzada meeting with Evans way back early. Hird ws pushing the program more than anyone. So get to the the point buddy. Noone is buying that this is some grand conspiracy and that your boy Hirdy is the only honest broker. NOONE. So get your story straight.

 

[sonnywalters]

I’ll say this - The fish we’re aiming for and have found strong links to, are much bigger than Hird.

Well that I can agree with. But dont play Hird as the innocent honest fall guy. NOONE is buying that. So dontr try it on.