Game Day Match Discussion - RD 17 vs. Carlton. Fri 04/07 @ 7:20pm (MCG)

[Doc1763]

Was our best small forward
Not sure how you drop him with a straight face

I'll need to watch the replay.

 

[No SPIN]

I thought Sullivan played well as a defensive forward. Kicked a good goal, had a hand in a couple others, held structure. And with no relief from Shooter or Hill.
He did at least as much as Elliott.
I agree we didn’t work out how to play 4 talks up forward.
West is the player who gets omitted.

Charlie Dean.
I hoped for more.

Carlton will come out firing, fueled by media and a coach who is fighting for his job. Players will be either playing for their list position or to improve their exit plans.
Think of Buckleys last game coaching against Melbourne.
No flirting with form or taking the enemy for granted this week.

I want to flog Voss all the way to Centrelink.

Are we giving Carlton too much credit to bounce back?
I think Voss has lost the players, and if true, it’s unlikely they throw him a lifeline with a huge performance.

 

[No SPIN]

I’m not asking this to be smart - just to be able to assess Charlie Dean’s game better.
Did he have any marks taken on him and did his man get many kicks?

The infuriating negative I noticed was he kept slipping.

 

[stormskye]

Are we giving Carlton too much credit to bounce back?
I think Voss has lost the players, and if true, it’s unlikely they throw him a lifeline with a huge performance.

They were flogged by north. That “bounce back” game was last week, didn’t go well.

Biggest issue for us atm is our game is based on forward pressure, getting ball there and locking it in. With all 3 of hill, Mccreery and Schultz out that’s a huge impact.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The infuriating negative I noticed was he kept slipping.

Not the biggest sin in the grand scheme of things if that’s deans biggest issue. He’s probably never played at marvel and we know that surface plays differently… just chucking an idea out there.

At the end of the day the eagles only kicked 8 goals…one of them from a Moore free kick and another a very unfair “ stand rule” 50 against Dean… that only leaves 6 to analyse to see whether Dean made actual defensive errors.

 

[satty]

Swap howe for maynard, pendles/sidebottom for titch
West for hill

 

[Scodog10]

I thought Sullivan played well as a defensive forward. Kicked a good goal, had a hand in a couple others, held structure. And with no relief from Shooter or Hill.
He did at least as much as Elliott.
I agree we didn’t work out how to play 4 talks up forward.
West is the player who gets omitted.

Charlie Dean.
I hoped for more.

Carlton will come out firing, fueled by media and a coach who is fighting for his job. Players will be either playing for their list position or to improve their exit plans.
Think of Buckleys last game coaching against Melbourne.
No flirting with form or taking the enemy for granted this week.

I want to flog Voss all the way to Centrelink.

It’s now ingrained unfortunately. He kicks one, directly sets up another 2, top 5 for pressure acts and tackles for us and has 6 score involvements yet all that gets remembered in some pockets is the turnover in the 2nd quarter…

Dude is just plugging a hole and won’t go out until others return. I don’t get the negativity.

 

[Bianconeri]

We will struggle to score if we leave out Membrey and Mihocek. McCeery and Schultz will still be missing and possibly Hill. That's basically our entire forward line out! Add Pendles and Sidey and I'd be looking at an upset. If tonight didn't remind you, this is a very tough competition and every week there are upsets if teams are not switched on and up for the fight. The signal sent to the team if we 'manage" four of our best players would be a terrible one.

Carlton will be as pumped up as is possible after their recent displays and the criticism heaped on them in the media and from their supporter base. I'd suggest with all of the players you want to manage out there playing next week, it will still be a slog for large portions of the match. Hopefully, we will break them down and get the four points, but I have no thoughts of a percentage booster at all. Get over the line and move on. Historically our games with them have always been a dour arm wrestle with the occasional exception.

We’ve managed Mihocek and Memebry before and didn’t struggle to score. Some smalls missing hurt but our depth continue to prove they’re up to the task.

I’ve suggested we managed two players, not sure where you’re getting four from.

Carlton being pumped up sounds like all the previous danger game that turned out to be over exaggerated. We don’t need to flog Carlton or boost our percentage. The 4 points will do. Even then we can afford to drop a couple of games from here. 2023 showed us keeping our players fit for the finals is and our tactics close to our chest is more important than our on field form leading up to the finals.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It’s now ingrained unfortunately. He kicks one, directly sets up another 2, top 5 for pressure acts and tackles for us and has 6 score involvements yet all that gets remembered in some pockets is the turnover in the 2nd quarter…

Dude is just plugging a hole and won’t go out until others return. I don’t get the negativity.

The negativity is based around one or two posters thinking Mitchell could plug that hole better. Maybe, maybe not, but sully is the incumbent for now and is doing a great job. Reality of course is with all our cattle back, neither are likely to be in our 23.

 

[jmac70]

Most of your posts are clueless
Sullivan has to go

Sullivan will retain his spot. He played a decent game, and without Schultz and McCreery, is unlikely to be dropped.

 

[stormskye]

It’s now ingrained unfortunately. He kicks one, directly sets up another 2, top 5 for pressure acts and tackles for us and has 6 score involvements yet all that gets remembered in some pockets is the turnover in the 2nd quarter…

Dude is just plugging a hole and won’t go out until others return. I don’t get the negativity.

Paid to be a depth player and doing just that. Perfect example that squads win flags.
No hill, Schultz, Mccreery, Sullivan is a great backup option. If he was any better he wouldn’t be back up. He’d be playing in another team. This seems to get lost on some people.

 

[Vicky Park]

I was thinking all game (watched on TV) about how we missed Frampton, and by implication, was concerned with Dean.

But it was a rowdy night at the VP estate, with some friends of friends here - all Pies fans - and lots of yelling, heads in hands, and a few minor stoushes over uneducated comments about some players. Dean being one of them.

I also saw - at the three quarter time huddle? - one of our defenders - might have been Howe? - give Dean a pat of encouragement. I like to see that, and now I think Dean stays in. We need him, and he is appreciated.

 

[jmac70]

Hopefully Maynard and Hill are ready to play against Carlton.
Markov and West to make way.

 

[cfc19902010]

Sullivan will retain his spot. He played a decent game, and without Schultz and McCreery, is unlikely to be dropped.

Your probably correct
Understand we have lost other small forwards but feel there are other better options
Rather see Hayes play to tell you the truth
Someone that will be on the list medium term unlike Sullivan

 

[satty]

We need howe for the gc game, think he deserves a rest against carlton.

 

[gouki88]

Out: Mihocek/Membrey (managed) - Hoskin-Elliott - Sullivan
In: Maynard - Hill - Mitchell

 

[JoinDate]

Out: Mihocek/Membrey (managed) - Hoskin-Elliott - Sullivan
In: Maynard - Hill - Mitchell

Seems logical to me to give West a go in a properly structured forward line whilst also providing us an opportunity to rotate/rest our older KPF. Say this week it's Miho, then the week following it's Membrey. It also provides us with at least some form of depth in that position should one get injured.

 

[Kes1984]

I was thinking all game (watched on TV) about how we missed Frampton, and by implication, was concerned with Dean.

But it was a rowdy night at the VP estate, with some friends of friends here - all Pies fans - and lots of yelling, heads in hands, and a few minor stoushes over uneducated comments about some players. Dean being one of them.

I also saw - at the three quarter time huddle? - one of our defenders - might have been Howe? - give Dean a pat of encouragement. I like to see that, and now I think Dean stays in. We need him, and he is appreciated.

Dean also needs more than one game, a game where the whole side was down and struggled, to be able to show what he’s able to do.

We also don’t exactly have another option right now. 3-4 games before Big Bill is available again.

 

[UltraEgo]

In: Maynard, Hill
Out: West, Dean

 

[gouki88]

Seems logical to me to give West a go in a properly structured forward line whilst also providing us an opportunity to rotate/rest our older KPF. Say this week it's Miho, then the week following it's Membrey. It also provides us with at least some form of depth in that position should one get injured.

This was my reasoning too. Give him a prolonged look against less threatening opposition, and give our older blokes some rest

 

[Masked Magician]

I’m worried about Hill, that’s 2 times since signing the big mega contract he’s had to withdraw from a game with personal issues.

 

[BillyElliott]

I’m worried about Hill, that’s 2 times since signing the big mega contract he’s had to withdraw from a game with personal issues.

What does his contract have to do with it?

Personal issues & situations don't care about contracts.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I’m worried about Hill, that’s 2 times since signing the big mega contract he’s had to withdraw from a game with personal issues.

Poor form to be linking his PERSONAL reasons to his contract. Pull your head in.

 

[Eric Shin]

I’m worried about Hill, that’s 2 times since signing the big mega contract he’s had to withdraw from a game with personal issues.

Thankfully his employer, which is the Collingwood Football Club, doesn’t think this way.

Side by side.

 

[gouki88]

I’m worried about Hill, that’s 2 times since signing the big mega contract he’s had to withdraw from a game with personal issues.

Garbage insinuation