Mathew Scarlett

[11sjw]

It is a credit to Hawthorn they were able to kick winning scores without Franklin's impact. Kudos to your team for proving many sceptics wrong. But I personally would have rathered Scarlett get 15 kicked on him and Geelong win than what transpired, so for me it isn't all about Scarlett at all. I am not overly emotional, but I'm hurting as much as the next bloke about the loss. When you lose a GF you have nothing else but to cling to what went went right for your side, Ablett, Selwood, Ling on Mitchell and Scarlett (& McLaren) on Franklin were our victories for the day.

All year we have been reading about Lance Franklin's bag after bag of goal tallies and how unstoppable he is and how he lives for pressure- what happened to it in the GF? Franklin was overwhelmed by Scarlett (& McLaren) in the GF, he won't be the last person to fall into this trap. BTW, not sure who Dew was on, all I know is Scarlett was on Franklin if that is what you are implying.

We know Scarlett was on Buddy because he barely let go of him all day. Anyone else gets paid at least 6 free kicks for the day and racks up easy goals. Why that twit McLaren was allowed near the ground on GF day is beyond me. Still Scarlett got away with it so good luck to him.

Still the perception of him is there and it doesn't help when Cats fans relate stories of him being an arrogant &%$#.

 

[Del33640]

Just lose the stubborness for a second and give something Geelong it's due, I know it's hard.

It ain't hard. It's more polite too when there's no slagging off going on:

The guy couldn't glove the ball, he had scans after the last training session - he's just gone in for an operation on that thumb. It's both common and public knowledge - it doesn't matter what PR people associated with the club tried to spin in the lead up.

2 assists to Williams, one to Dew after rag dolling Matty in the pocket members side at the punt rd end.

But OK then, Scarlett reduced his impact - I'd argue that the pair pretty much nullified each other though. No run from Scarlett, few goals from Franklin.

Dew was on Scarlett in the third when the game started to break. I watched them from maybe 20-40m's away. Matty let Franklin go when he went up the ground. Scarlett had goals kicked on him by both players.

 

[jazz]

Got nothing to do with Scarlett stopping Buddy, which he did. Luckily for Buddy Hawthorn won, saved him quite a few blushes.

I love this "Scarlett ruled" type of crap.

Buddy kicked 2. He had 2 direct assists. He had 2 or 3 going up on him most of the time.

Yeah - he was thrashed

 

[MinerBoy]

In all seriousness, is it not at all possible for some Hawks fans to just accept Franklin was beaten?

No problem. Scarlett beat him on the day.

All year we have been reading about Lance Franklin's bag after bag of goal tallies and how unstoppable he is and how he lives for pressure- what happened to it in the GF? Franklin was overwhelmed by Scarlett in the GF, he won't be the last person to fall into this trap. BTW, not sure who Dew was on, all I know is Scarlett was on Franklin if that is what you are implying.

Has no problem with pressure and wasn't overwhelmed by Scarlett. He has had some massive finals as we all know. We all also know that you can't dominate every game and that big bags of goals are very rarely kicked in a Grand Final. Scarlett just had the better of him on the day and the day happened to be a Grand Final. Franklin was beaten but was far from disgraced. He kicked some important goals and had a hand in some other important goals.

For all his goal kicking flaws, he really does nail the goals that need to be kicked. In the H&A he kicked many bags and missed many sitters. In the GF he had SFA shots on goal but absolutely nailed the important ones he had.

A question about Geelong's backline in general - did they play well as a whole? Everyone seems to think the midfield won and the backline won (due to Roughy and Buddy being contained) but that the forwardline was the problem. All year the Hawks have been derided as having a weak backline that is protected by our midfield and rolling zone tactics. We don't concede I50's but bleed goals when the ball does go in there. Yet come GF day, we concede 62 Inside 50's and only 11 goals against, up to 5 of which were from free kicks/50m penalties. Conversely, the Hawks only went inside forward 50 on 43 occassions (I think) but managed 18 goals. To me this says our backline was Hurculean and the Cat's backline got their pants well and truly pulled down.

 

[Last Line Hero]

It ain't hard. It's more polite too when there's no slagging off going on:

The guy couldn't glove the ball, he had scans after the last training session - he's just gone in for an operation on that thumb. It's both common and public knowledge - it doesn't matter what PR people associated with the club tried to spin in the lead up.

2 assists to Williams, one to Dew after rag dolling Matty in the pocket members side at the punt rd end.

But OK then, Scarlett reduced his impact - I'd argue that the pair pretty much nullified each other though. No run from Scarlett, few goals from Franklin.

Dew was on Scarlett in the third when the game started to break. I watched them from maybe 20-40m's away. Matty let Franklin go when he went up the ground. Scarlett had goals kicked on him by both players.

Franklin had 2 score assists, not 3. And Scarlett only conceded 2 goals both to Franklin. You are wrong. This is according to Champion Data's statistics published in the Herald Sun and The Age, and basically every other statistical outlet. No need to make up rubbish to stretch your point. He was on Dew for about 2 minutes. You are desperately clutching at straws to make out Franklin was alright and Scarlett was average, just admit he was beaten on the day, I know it, Franklin knows it, 99% of people who watched the game know it... so just quit while your'e only this far behind.

 

[Del33640]

Franklin had 2 score assists, not 3. And Scarlett only conceded 2 goals both to Franklin. You are wrong. This is according to Champion Data's statistics published in the Herald Sun and The Age,and basically every other statistical outlet. No need to make up rubbish to stretch your point.

I watched scarlett and dew shoulder to shoulder in the square - am I making that up too? Plain as the nose on your face. The first Dew goal came at that time... I don't need stats to tell me that.

I'm wrong on the second williams assist. You're wrong on this argument. Players nullified each other, one unable to mark the ball out in front - in for surgery now.

Ablett, Selwood and Ling all did well though

 

[Last Line Hero]

No problem. Scarlett beat him on the day.

This is why I said "some," because the vast majority of Hawks fans have accepted the fact. It is just a few individuals incapable of impartiality let the rest of you down.

Has no problem with pressure and wasn't overwhelmed by Scarlett. He has had some massive finals as we all know. We all also know that you can't dominate every game and that big bags of goals are very rarely kicked in a Grand Final. Scarlett just had the better of him on the day and the day happened to be a Grand Final. Franklin was beaten but was far from disgraced. He kicked some important goals and had a hand in some other important goals.

For all his goal kicking flaws, he really does nail the goals that need to be kicked. In the H&A he kicked many bags and missed many sitters. In the GF he had SFA shots on goal but absolutely nailed the important ones he had.

A question about Geelong's backline in general - did they play well as a whole? Everyone seems to think the midfield won and the backline won (due to Roughy and Buddy being contained) but that the forwardline was the problem. All year the Hawks have been derided as having a weak backline that is protected by our midfield and rolling zone tactics. We don't concede I50's but bleed goals when the ball does go in there. Yet come GF day, we concede 62 Inside 50's and only 11 goals against, up to 5 of which were from free kicks/50m penalties. Conversely, the Hawks only went inside forward 50 on 43 occassions (I think) but managed 18 goals. To me this says our backline was Hurculean and the Cat's backline got their pants well and truly pulled down.

I understand Franklin has no problem with pressure, that statement was more a sarcastic jibe at the poster I was replying to when I said it. You are right, Franklin was far from disgraced, and that is the beauty of him as a player, you can never shut him down 100%, and he will only get better and better which is frightening. I think a few have misunderstood that we are not saying Franklin was destroyed and didn't do jack shit on the day, he was just beaten by a great opponent that is all, nothing more, nothing less. It's no blight on Franklin.

As for our backline, I think their day was overrated. We did concede goals too frequently. That was the thing, everyone thinks because Roughead and Buddy do little the backline has won, but about 5-6+ guys kicked 1 and 2's for the Hawks and we weren't solid enough at critical junctures during the match. I thought the composure of some of our defenders was poor also. We conceded 100 points, which is a serious rarity, so for anyone to say our backhalf was great on the day or won, is kidding themselves. Scarlett was basically on his own down there.

 

[MinerBoy]

This I think a few have misunderstood that we are not saying Franklin was destroyed and didn't do jack shit on the day, he was just beaten by a great opponent that is all, nothing more, nothing less. It's no blight on Franklin.

Pretty much how I saw it too.

Scarlett won the battle because he stopped the AFLs most dangerous goal kicker from kicking a bag of goals. In defeat, Franklin was still serviceable with his contributions and Hawthorn also benefited from the fact that Scarlett didn't have anywhere near the offensive impact he normally has because you just can't afford to leave Franklin unguarded for a second.

 

[Cicatriz]

You gutter talking wannabees just can't get it. You don't know Scarlett. He's not a media **** so you know nothing of his personality. All you jokers know is what you and others make up.
I keep on hearing how he is a great player but not a great human being. What the....! Every one of you sprouting this crap is a disgrace.
You can not like him as a player if you want. Saints fans can hate him for a possible hit behind play on St. Nick a few years back. Fair enough. Examples like this are okay as far as him as a player.
If you want to believe Aka and his so called arrogance then fine. The gutter trash crap some of you nevercouldhavebeenchampions is pathetic!!!

 

[Last Line Hero]

I watched scarlett and dew shoulder to shoulder in the square - am I making that up too? Plain as the nose on your face. The first Dew goal came at that time... I don't need stats to tell me that.

I'm wrong on the second williams assist. You're wrong on this argument. Players nullified each other, one unable to mark the ball out in front - in for surgery now.

Ablett, Selwood and Ling all did well though

**sigh**

Scarlett didn't concede a goal to Stuart Dew mate just deal with it. I think I'll take the professional and informed opinion of outlets who's occupation it is to provide the most detailed statistical coverage of AFL of anyone, and what I and 99.5% of people witness on the day, over the trolling guesswork of a nitwit Hawks fan. Have some dignity. I think you better take a good hard look at Dew's goals and then get back to me with an apology. Do you even know what Dew's first goal was? I'm not going to sit here and justify the fact when it is clearly wrong and you know it is wrong, if you can't accept statistical and visual fact then what can you accept?

 

[Last Line Hero]

Pretty much how I saw it too.

Scarlett won the battle because he stopped the AFLs most dangerous goal kicker from kicking a bag of goals. In defeat, Franklin was still serviceable with his contributions and Hawthorn also benefited from the fact that Scarlett didn't have anywhere near the offensive impact he normally has because you just can't afford to leave Franklin unguarded for a second.

Exactly. Well said.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I love this "Scarlett ruled" type of crap.

Buddy kicked 2. He had 2 direct assists. He had 2 or 3 going up on him most of the time.

Yeah - he was thrashed

Nah, he wasn't thrashed at all. Just if Hawks had have gone down, 1 in the PF and 2 in the GF doesn't look too great.

This again is a reflection of how good he is, because most players would be pretty happy with that sort of return.

 

[cma6]

You gutter talking wannabees just can't get it. You don't know Scarlett. He's not a media **** so you know nothing of his personality. All you jokers know is what you and others make up.
I keep on hearing how he is a great player but not a great human being. What the....! Every one of you sprouting this crap is a disgrace.
You can not like him as a player if you want. Saints fans can hate him for a possible hit behind play on St. Nick a few years back. Fair enough. Examples like this are okay as far as him as a player.
If you want to believe Aka and his so called arrogance then fine. The gutter trash crap some of you nevercouldhavebeenchampions is pathetic!!!

I agree. Most people on here never get to meet players one on one but feel they know them well enough to question their character. Maybe this can be excused in certain circumstances where players seek the media spotlight but Scarlett has never done this. He could be the biggest tool in the world, a great bloke, or anything in between. The reality is that most people on here - including me - wouldn't have a clue.

Scarlett is a very good player and thats probably all that should matter to spectators of the game.

PS. pick 16 for Scarlett?

 

[Del33640]

**sigh**Scarlett didn't concede a goal to Stuart Dew mate just deal with it. I think I'll take the professional and informed opinion of outlets who's occupation it is to provide the most detailed statistical coverage of AFL of anyone, and what I and 99.5% of people witness on the day, over the trolling guesswork of a nitwit Hawks fan. Have some dignity. I think you better take a good hard look at Dew's goals and then get back to me with an apology. Do you even know what Dew's first goal was? I'm not going to sit here and justify the fact when it is clearly wrong and you know it is wrong, if you can't accept statistical and visual fact then what can you accept?

Yawn...

You're mistaking Dew's second goal with his first. 2nd was the dish off from Franklin.

You need to look at the video (i just did) Scarlett is alone in the square, Dew is on the 50 for Dew's first - Scarlett stays off him. Just prior to that shot Dew and Scarlett are clearly playing on each other when Bateman kicks the behind. Franklin is unsighted anywhere. Scarlett then goes to Dew again after the bounce.

Have your stats, I'll stick with what i saw on the day, and what I saw just now...

Feel free to view it again and come back for my apology if I'm wrong. But I'm happy to watch you clinging to this, it's hilarious.

 

[wce4premiership]

Glass has been injured all year. He actually plays on the best forwards. He's in a shit team. Scarlett is a good defender but if i had to pick one i'd take glassy

 

[Last Line Hero]

Yawn...

You're mistaking Dew's second goal with his first. 2nd was the dish off from Franklin.

You need to look at the video (i just did) Scarlett is alone in the square, Dew is on the 50 for Dew's first - Scarlett stays off him. Just prior to that shot Dew and Scarlett are clearly playing on each other when Bateman kicks the behind. Franklin is unsighted anywhere. Scarlett then goes to Dew again after the bounce.

Have your stats, I'll stick with what i saw on the day, and what I saw just now...

Feel free to view it again and come back for my apology if I'm wrong. But I'm happy to watch you clinging to this, it's hilarious.

So essentially what you mean to say is that I'll have statistical proof and you'll have guesswork. Check the video again, Franklin is there, Scarlett peeled off the back of him anticipating Dew was going long. Dew was on Mackie. Whoops. Don't worry, apology accepted. Facts are facts, deal with it. There is nothing to cling to when my argument has proof, but good try anyway, you managed to drag it out alot longer than anyone would have thought possible. Kudos for that. Maybe you should start a thread entitled "Dew beat Scarlett" and see what sought of response you get.

 

[Del33640]

So essentially what you mean to say is that I'll have statistical proof and you'll have guesswork. Check the video again, Franklin is there, Scarlett peeled off the back of him anticipating Dew was going long. Dew was on Mackie. Whoops. Don't worry, apology accepted. Facts are facts, deal with it. There is nothing to cling to when my argument has proof, but good try anyway, you managed to drag it out alot longer than anyone would have thought possible. Kudos for that. Maybe you should start a thread entitled "Dew beat Scarlett" and see what sought of response you get.

Exactly where is Franklin - watch it again

For the Bateman Point, Scarlett is on Dew in pocket. After Dew's Goal, Scarlett is on Dew at the bounce. No Franklin inside 50 at the kick out, or when the ball sails through. Scarlett ain't on Franklin, unless he's invisibile. Please, tell me where in the footage you see him - I'm happy to admit I'm wrong here.

Don't let reality get in the way of your statistics though.

 

[Last Line Hero]

Exactly where is Franklin - watch it again

For the Bateman Point, Scarlett is on Dew in pocket. After Dew's Goal, Scarlett is on Dew at the bounce. No Franklin inside 50 at the kick out, or when the ball sails through. Scarlett ain't on Franklin, unless he's invisibile. Please, tell me where in the footage you see him - I'm happy to admit I'm wrong here.

Don't let reality get in the way of your statistics though.

I won't let evidence get in the way of guesswork.

 

[Del33640]

I won't let evidence get in the way of guesswork.

Please, the evidence. Where's the invisible Buddy you see?

Or maybe I'm just right.... I was watching from that pocket btw, where were you?

 

[Last Line Hero]

Please, the evidence. Where's the invisible Buddy you see?

Or maybe I'm just right.... I was watching from that pocket btw, where were you?

How convinient. You go with your guesswork, I'll go by what I saw and statistical evidence and we'll agree to disagree because this is just pointless crap and I'm not going to bother going into how it all transpired because there is nothing that needs to be justifed and we've taken this far enough. Deal with the facts and we'll both move on.

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Interview with Scarlett:
What did you do GF 2008?
Held LBF down to 2.

When the cats were crumbling what did you do as a leader at the club?
Held LBF down to 2.

When the cats were screaming for attack what did you do?
Held LBF down to 2.

Thanks Mathew.

 

[rizzo]

Interview with Scarlett:
What did you do GF 2008?
Held LBF down to 2.

When the cats were crumbling what did you do as a leader at the club?
Held LBF down to 2.

When the cats were screaming for attack what did you do?
Held LBF down to 2.

Thanks Mathew.

So what your saying is that he did his job?

 

[11sjw]

So what your saying is that he did his job?

A part of his job. The Cats lost a bit by him not running it out of defence. I think that's where the previous post was coming from.

 

[rizzo]

A part of his job. The Cats lost a bit by him not running it out of defence. I think that's where the previous post was coming from.

I would rather see Scarlett hold buddy to 2 goals, then see him kick 5 and scarlo create run. We have players like Enright, Mackie and Milburn who can create.

We may have lost, but in a team that went down by 6 goals Scarlett was one player you could not criticise.

 

[Del33640]

How convinient. You go with your guesswork,

See, that's the thing, I'm not. You're deflecting.

Don't rave on like a looney tune, and blindly following what you've read in the paper.

Watch the replay.

It'll make for a great Kodak moment.