Opinion Matt Jaensch

[OrdinaryJoel]

I don't see him getting much opportunity here, but he'll play a few games for us during the season...

 

[Vader]

I've asked people in the past what future they see for him. He has a real weapon in his kicking ability and his pace isn't bad at all when he's not carrying an injury (as I believe he was for most of 2012). On the other hand, defensively you might as well be handing the ball directly to the opposition if you kick it to him in a one-on-one contest and he lacks toughness required for Sando's brand of footy.

Like Team DJ (and I never thought I'd agree on anything), I too was astounded when both he & Martin were given 2-year contracts.

While his boot is a weapon, his deficiencies mean that the number of positions he can play is effectively limited. Even more limiting is his inability to win the contested ball, something which Sando stresses greatly. His best position is probably wing/HFF, but he's a long way back in the pecking order - and I'd prefer to see most of the kids played ahead of him (Lyons, Crouch, Kerridge, Brown etc). He's certainly not a required player, the question is whether anyone would want to trade for him or not? If not, then his place is somewhere in Sturt's midfield.

 

[Schulzycrow]

I've asked people in the past what future they see for him. He has a real weapon in his kicking ability and his pace isn't bad at all when he's not carrying an injury (as I believe he was for most of 2012). On the other hand, defensively you might as well be handing the ball directly to the opposition if you kick it to him in a one-on-one contest and he lacks toughness required for Sando's brand of footy.

Like Team DJ (and I never thought I'd agree on anything), I too was astounded when both he & Martin were given 2-year contracts.

While his boot is a weapon, his deficiencies mean that the number of positions he can play is effectively limited. Even more limiting is his inability to win the contested ball, something which Sando stresses greatly. His best position is probably wing/HFF, but he's a long way back in the pecking order - and I'd prefer to see most of the kids played ahead of him (Lyons, Crouch, Kerridge, Brown etc). He's certainly not a required player, the question is whether anyone would want to trade for him or not? If not, then his place is somewhere in Sturt's midfield.

Could any of these highlighted give you 30 to 40 goals a year. I know I sound like a broken record, but still think he is a better option up forward than Pets or Douggie. Vince, Hendo, Smith, Dmac are possible wingers HFF. Under Craigy he played more forward and did alright. In the Sydney game in Sydney last year he did alright, got burned off by Jetta, but he isn't alone in that respect. Kicked a couple of important goals if I remember rightly. Think a Pets swap to the backline would be better option where he doesn't have to worry about kicking for goal, Jaenschy just seems a more natural forward. I think the 2 year contracts for him and Martin were more insurance for injuries that we didn't get last year. They are both in the gun and I'm sure he is aware of this, hopefully next week when he gets back to full training he can work on the things everyone thinks he is rubbish at.

 

[spenze]

I reckon if he does have a spot in the team, it should be as a super sub. One day the coaches will get their heads around making the 22nd man a real weapon. The guy doesn't have to be their best player but one whom can make a positive impact. When the game has slowed a bit and the physicality has gone, then someone like Matty with his booming boot can clear lines and become an asset. I think back to last years game against Melbourne when Tex took a mark at half back and hoofed it 60 metres to Wingnut on the run over the back of the defense...that's what Jaensch can do ( though granted it would frighten me that he was near the D50 arc) with his boot.

Outside of that I just don't see him in our best 28, though I would ask if we have Jaensch on the list why the hell did we keep McIntyre as a rookie?

 

[TheMightyCrow]

He's a very tough one. I definitely think it's a matter of a few of the more seasoned players keeping him out of the squad at the moment. Jaenschy needs to learn from this and strengthen his game, 2013 will make or break this kid.

I've seen enough of him to know he's more than capable, I don't think he's a one dimensional player at all.. just needs to be molded into a position.

 

[Coopers]

Much like Radar... I have confidence he'll come good and fix up his deficiencies.

This is an interesting point. We have a lot of inside players, so could be good value in the midfield on the outside given his leg penetration.

That's what she said.

 

[Vader]

Could any of these highlighted give you 30 to 40 goals a year. I know I sound like a broken record, but still think he is a better option up forward than Pets or Douggie. Vince, Hendo, Smith, Dmac are possible wingers HFF. Under Craigy he played more forward and did alright. In the Sydney game in Sydney last year he did alright, got burned off by Jetta, but he isn't alone in that respect. Kicked a couple of important goals if I remember rightly. Think a Pets swap to the backline would be better option where he doesn't have to worry about kicking for goal, Jaenschy just seems a more natural forward. I think the 2 year contracts for him and Martin were more insurance for injuries that we didn't get last year. They are both in the gun and I'm sure he is aware of this, hopefully next week when he gets back to full training he can work on the things everyone thinks he is rubbish at.

I'm not convinced that Jaensch would be likely to give us 30-40 goals per year either..

Petrenko's woes when kicking for goal have been well noted, but what was also notable was the pressure he applied to the opposition forwards. Although he was playing in the forward line he still (arguably) saved more goals than his kicking cost us. The same cannot be said for Jaensch, who's man on man pressure is diabolical at best. We have plenty of players in our forward line who are capable of kicking 30-40 goals - Tex, Callinan, Porps, Dangermouse and Wright. We don't have an abundance of defensive minded forwards, which is where Petrenko shines.

It's worth noting that the majority of attacking forays start in a team's back line - in terms of opposition attacks, that's our forward line. Petrenko cuts off a lot of these attacks before they even have a chance to begin. Playing Jaensch in that role is like gifting them another 40-60 attacks per year.

I don't understand what you mean about Martin & Jaensch getting 2-year contracts as insurance for injuries. I have no problem with them being retained for 2013 on this basis - but why give them 2-year contracts, when 1-year contracts would have been more than adequate? All this has done is ensure them of a position on the 2014 list, when we may well regret not delisting them at the end of 2013.

 

[Paladin]

Very objective for a Petrenko hater Vader Jaensch wouldn't come close to applying the manic pressure Petrenko does. He was vital and had a great year however in hindsight shouldn't of been picked for the prelim. If he can fix his set shots he will be even more valuable. Did some outstanding stopping jobs as well.

The extended contracts given to fringe players Jaensch (2 years), Martin (2 years), and to a lesser extent Douglas (3 years) and Henderson (3 years) are very interesting. I would think its in part that the club have faith in said players, are sick and tired of players being poached, other clubs being interested and i assume most importantly that these guys have accepted less money in a trade off for more security.

I think its terrific list management. Even if one or 2 don't make it or are surplus to requirements you still need a squad of around 30 that are ready to go to compete for a premiership. Giving the longer contracts means we can still trade them if need be but we also have more room in the salary cap to chase a big fish free agent.

Its not like we gave a 28 year old Brad Symes a 2 year deal. Jaensch and Martin are still young enough and have shown enough to be desirable at a another club and most importantly have the talent to make it still with the AFC.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Has the world flipped poles when I would see the day Vader defended Pets... Think Pets should take Doughty's role, don't know how good a spoiler he is thou..

When MJ and Martin got their 2 year contract on injury insurance and the fact that the AFC see something worth trying to improve, both have got skills and also think they are thinking longer term with Doggie, Vince, even Nutta getting into the older bracket when injuries can come and careers can end quickly. Even Johncock's role in the forward line has to have some kids with some experience behind them to come in when the time comes.

Kerridge, Riley, Lyons and Brown are around the mark as well and it is good to have a group coming through together. Think they will all improve more when the ressie team comes in as well.

Think Wright could do Pet's job in the 50 as he is a hard nut as well a good kick at the sticks.

Its not like we gave a 28 year old Brad Symes a 2 year deal. Jaensch and Martin are still young enough and have shown enough to be desirable at a another club and most importantly have the talent to make it still with the AFC.

Paladin has a good point as well, they may well become trade bait at the end of the year to try and get us up into the 1st and 2nd rounds.

 

[Team DJ]

I'm not convinced that Jaensch would be likely to give us 30-40 goals per year either..

Petrenko's woes when kicking for goal have been well noted, but what was also notable was the pressure he applied to the opposition forwards. Although he was playing in the forward line he still (arguably) saved more goals than his kicking cost us. The same cannot be said for Jaensch, who's man on man pressure is diabolical at best. We have plenty of players in our forward line who are capable of kicking 30-40 goals - Tex, Callinan, Porps, Dangermouse and Wright. We don't have an abundance of defensive minded forwards, which is where Petrenko shines.

It's worth noting that the majority of attacking forays start in a team's back line - in terms of opposition attacks, that's our forward line. Petrenko cuts off a lot of these attacks before they even have a chance to begin. Playing Jaensch in that role is like gifting them another 40-60 attacks per year.

I don't understand what you mean about Martin & Jaensch getting 2-year contracts as insurance for injuries. I have no problem with them being retained for 2013 on this basis - but why give them 2-year contracts, when 1-year contracts would have been more than adequate? All this has done is ensure them of a position on the 2014 list, when we may well regret not delisting them at the end of 2013.

Shit. I agree with all of this. Hell must be frozen.

I cant imagine their managers turning down a 1 year extension. I hardly think other clubs wouldve been beating down our door to poach Martin and Jaensch. Major balls up.

The end of this year shouldve seen Johncock Tambling Jaensch and Martin gone. Now we'll have to find 2 others to take their spots.

 

[Paladin]

Shit. I agree with all of this. Hell must be frozen.

I cant imagine their managers turning down a 1 year extension. I hardly think other clubs wouldve been beating down our door to poach Martin and Jaensch. Major balls up.

The end of this year shouldve seen Johncock Tambling Jaensch and Martin gone. Now we'll have to find 2 others to take their spots.

Why so we can utilise all our high draft picks?

Rutten and Johncock will retire. Finding one other delistee from the likes of Tambling, Grigg, Joyce, Ellis-Yolmen and Callinan will be the least of our problems. Its not like all of Riley, Lyons, Shaw, Otten, McKernan, Lynch, Johnston and Luke Thompson will make it either.

I hate talking about delisting before the season even begins but the draft class of 2011 Grigg, Ellis-Yolmen and Joyce are front and centre before Jaensch and Martin come into the picture. Of course they have had only 1 year in the system and a lot can change but they showed very little even compared to there rookie counterpart Laird.

 

[azza77]

Think he is certainly a player to keep for now. Just because other areas of his game are lacking doesnt mean his no good. you do not throw away a player with that good of a kick that easily. he still young so has that on his side and i think the coaches should work with him heavily to get him up and going. In 2011 according to champion data he had the 2nd best kick in the afl behind shannon hurn. He needs to stay on our list for sure. I do admit that Jaensch isnt exactly the best tackler, and i dont think its cos of his enthusiasm. Jaensch is always one that looks up and about for games and you got to give it to the kid, he does try, except the tackles never seem to stick. I think that boils down to poor technique, some strength work that needs to be done and poor positioning. And Jaensch is actually pretty quick. While he was burned by Jetta (not that 500 other players dont) Jaensch didnt actually loose any ground in that foot race. Jetta caught him on the jump with better acceleration but Jaensch has some decent foot speed.

I think his best position is on the wing, like a CLinton Young style. If he can seriously work on his engine over the pre-season and get over that niggling groin, his delivery into the forward 50 would be absolutely ruthless. Walker and Porps would have field days with their lead up abilities, or Jaensch will be bombing them from 60. Dont think small forward is the right role for him at all. with such a good a good kick, even when under immense pressure playing him that far up the ground is a waste of talent. Dont think he reads the ball that well (unlike Callinan for example) to make it as a small fwd. HFF is also a possibility. Just doesnt cut it defensively as a small defender as his aerial ability is very average to say the least. HFF/Wing has to be the position for him. And i honestly think he can be a best 22 in that role if he can work on his endurance. Like i said his kick is freakishly good and something you do not want to throw away just yet.

Lastly, how can a few of you say Pets should go to the backline, your kidding right? Petrenko was relentless this year and a real assest to our forward line. Yes, his set shot kicking is something that needs to be worked on, but he really has developed a keen nose for goal, chases defenders down non-stop and forces errors and really has that X factor about him. He was coming 2nd in the AFL for goal assists before the round 11 bye and then got injured making the second half of his season a bit of a let down compared to how he started. Also did some amazing shut down jobs on reboundind defenders along with Callinan in the first 11 rounds. Dont think petrenko is a good enough decision maker/good enough kick to playing down back and can be suspect at times, sort of like mark nicoski from eagles, was a hopeless player coming out of defence, but chuck him forward and he has a keen nose for goal. Petrenko's aerial ability and strength though for a midget is very good making him even harder to match up on. Small forward is his best position by a long long way and is where he should stay.

 

[The_Answer3]

His future in AFL depends on his defence. That's it. If he works on the defensive side to the point where it isn't a liability (doesn't have to be great) then he could be a nice 100-150 game player.

 

[Team DJ]

Why so we can utilise all our high draft picks?

Rutten and Johncock will retire. Finding one other delistee from the likes of Tambling, Grigg, Joyce, Ellis-Yolmen and Callinan will be the least of our problems. Its not like all of Riley, Lyons, Shaw, Otten, McKernan, Lynch, Johnston and Luke Thompson will make it either.

I hate talking about delisting before the season even begins but the draft class of 2011 Grigg, Ellis-Yolmen and Joyce are front and centre before Jaensch and Martin come into the picture. Of course they have had only 1 year in the system and a lot can change but they showed very little even compared to there rookie counterpart Laird.

We'll need more then 1. If Rutten goes Hartigan would come up. I'd back laird to come up as well. Like this year we'll want 2 draft picks +. And we might have a dip at free agency. Thats at least 5 spots.

Agreed the ball hasnt been bounced yet so its not ideal. But our list management needed to be better. Jaensch and Martin shouldve been prime targets here.

Lynch and LT are the only ones i'd be worried about from the above too.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Could any of these highlighted give you 30 to 40 goals a year. I know I sound like a broken record, but still think he is a better option up forward than Pets or Douggie. Vince, Hendo, Smith, Dmac are possible wingers HFF. Under Craigy he played more forward and did alright. In the Sydney game in Sydney last year he did alright, got burned off by Jetta, but he isn't alone in that respect. Kicked a couple of important goals if I remember rightly. Think a Pets swap to the backline would be better option where he doesn't have to worry about kicking for goal, Jaenschy just seems a more natural forward. I think the 2 year contracts for him and Martin were more insurance for injuries that we didn't get last year. They are both in the gun and I'm sure he is aware of this, hopefully next week when he gets back to full training he can work on the things everyone thinks he is rubbish at.

Totally agree with you regarding Pentrenko. Jaensch is a dead-eye when it comes to goal kicking. Pets on the other hand shits his pants everytime he takes a set shot.

 

[Tex200]

Very objective for a Petrenko hater Vader Jaensch wouldn't come close to applying the manic pressure Petrenko does. He was vital and had a great year however in hindsight shouldn't of been picked for the prelim. If he can fix his set shots he will be even more valuable. Did some outstanding stopping jobs as well.

The extended contracts given to fringe players Jaensch (2 years), Martin (2 years), and to a lesser extent Douglas (3 years) and Henderson (3 years) are very interesting. I would think its in part that the club have faith in said players, are sick and tired of players being poached, other clubs being interested and i assume most importantly that these guys have accepted less money in a trade off for more security.

I think its terrific list management. Even if one or 2 don't make it or are surplus to requirements you still need a squad of around 30 that are ready to go to compete for a premiership. Giving the longer contracts means we can still trade them if need be but we also have more room in the salary cap to chase a big fish free agent.

Its not like we gave a 28 year old Brad Symes a 2 year deal. Jaensch and Martin are still young enough and have shown enough to be desirable at a another club and most importantly have the talent to make it still with the AFC.

Great post mate, it is a strong squad currently and will not be easy to keep it together. We were spoilt last year with injury and guys like Matt while not automatic selections are critical to a premiership drive.

Offering fringe players some security is good management, giving us insurance and some trade currency.

I think its still too early in his career to make a definitive call on how successful he will be, but he has impressed me in attack ...there was a game near the end of 2011 he looked very good and kicked some nice goals.2 clutch goals in Syd too early in 2012.

Has certainly shown something and happy he is on list.