Mega Thread Matt Rendell situation thread #2

[Vader]

Twice in 6 months is good enough for me and some may argue by the reaction to him wining the award - you could easily include a 3rd with Bernie Vince.

There's no way the Vince situation galvanised the supporters to the same degree as the Rendell fiasco has. Vince got a slap on the wrist for being a 4th time offender. Rendell got sacked despite having done nothing wrong. Chalk & cheese.

What's the other incident you had in mind?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

There's no way the Vince situation galvanised the supporters to the same degree as the Rendell fiasco has. Vince got a slap on the wrist for being a 4th time offender. Rendell got sacked despite having done nothing wrong. Chalk & cheese.

What's the other incident you had in mind?

Neil Craig.

 

[Vader]

The question was, who is Steven trigg answerable to?

and the answer is the SANFL commission as they're out licence holder. Yes Steven Trigg will become answerable to the AFC board but at the end of every year, Steven Trigg will give a report to the SANFL commission and they will either appoint him or sack him.

Just as they did with Keith Thomas and before him Mark Hayesman at Port Adelaide.

Fairly sure Trigg is answerable to the AFC Board. The Board is then answerable to the SANFL Commission.

 

[Vader]

Neil Craig.

The masses got what they wanted.. Craig's departure.

Not really the same is it?

 

[Northalives]

So let's get this straight: Rendell is really upset at the fact that Aboriginal fellas are dropping off AFL lists at an alarming rate.

He is so upset, that in a room with some AFL people, he says that something has to be done about it in fact, he says, if nothing is done about it, he will "not recruit any Aboriginal player unless he has one white parent"; something of a last resort type thing: a "throw away line" to get his point across.

The question is, why would it make any difference if a player has one white parent?

 

[King Elvis]

North - in the context, the obvious inferrence is that they wont recruit players from isolated/remote aboriginal communities.

 

[FAITH]

If this is the case we need to get Trigg out of the AFC immediately.

We can't have anyone working for us that isn't 100% committed to doing what is best for the club.

Its easy for Triggy to get rid of Rendell and bring in someone else, it would of been hard on the club and Triggy to go against Demetriou and stick up for Rendell.

Could u imagine if Triggy stood up for Rendell and go against Demetriou?

Demetriou would have ended up finding a way to get rid of both Rendell initally and Triggy in the long term.
Killing off any aspirations Triggy had career wise within the AFL.

I can understand why Triggy did what he did but still upset.
Somtimes i wish we had Eddie McGuire or Kennet as the clubs CEO

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

The masses got what they wanted.. Craig's departure.

Not really the same is it?

Yeah, but how long did it take?

Only 15 months too late.

 

[FAITH]

That much is evident from the posting in this thread. I obviously disagree with a lot of people about Trigg's complicity, but the depth of feeling here is honest, genuine and widespread. I'm under no illusions that my view is in the minority.

That's exactly what this is about.

Trigg talked about "mud sticking". The biggest problem he faced is that almost every single drop of mud was being slung by the biggest gorilla in the AFL - Vlad. Vlad has long disliked MR, who had the balls to stand up to him and call him on the joke which is GWS (and to a lesser extent the GC draft concessions & player compensation). Vlad saw a chance to take MR down and has taken it. It's the act of a small, petty man.

Its the act of a ruthless dictator as i said before.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

So let's get this straight: Rendell is really upset at the fact that Aboriginal fellas are dropping off AFL lists at an alarming rate.

He is so upset, that in a room with some AFL people, he says that something has to be done about it in fact, he says, if nothing is done about it, he will "not recruit any Aboriginal player unless he has one white parent"; something of a last resort type thing: a "throw away line" to get his point across.

The question is, why would it make any difference if a player has one white parent?

Wrong. He didnt say 'He' will not recruit an aboriginal player.

Nice effort playing with words Go away now, in the nicest possible way

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

So let's get this straight: Rendell is really upset at the fact that Aboriginal fellas are dropping off AFL lists at an alarming rate.

He is so upset, that in a room with some AFL people, he says that something has to be done about it in fact, he says, if nothing is done about it, he will "not recruit any Aboriginal player unless he has one white parent"; something of a last resort type thing: a "throw away line" to get his point across.

The question is, why would it make any difference if a player has one white parent?

Going into the semantics of it, did he actually say "HE" or did he say - the AFL will not....

I don't recall him saying him, as in Matthew Rendell or the AFC. His throwaway line was an overall comment to blanket the competition as one. As in, that's the direction it is taking.

 

[afc1991]

Its easy for Triggy to get rid of Rendell and bring in someone else, it would of been hard on the club and Triggy to go against Demetriou and stick up for Rendell.

Could u imagine if Triggy stood up for Rendell and go against Demetriou?

Demetriou would have ended up finding a way to get rid of both Rendell initally and Triggy in the long term.
Killing off any aspirations Triggy had career wise within the AFL.

I can understand why Triggy did what he did but still upset.
Somtimes i wish we had Eddie McGuire or Kennet as the clubs CEO

So he sacrifices rendell to further his own career. Sounds like something vlad would have done on the way to the top job.

 

[crowded house]

I don't really understand why Jason Mifsud hasn't had to tell his side of the story. I would be good to either have to give his version. Whether it's because he's been told to keep mum by the afl or whether he doesn't want to throw Rendell further under the bus. .... If that's even possible.

It seems pretty obvious that he wasn't afronted at the time.

 

[bjn1960]

I don't think you (and a lot of other BigFooty posters) really understand what Trigg's job is.

Trigg's job is to ensure that the club runs smoothly, that the football department is as successful as it can be (and is funded accordingly). He is also charged with ensuring that the club remains financially viable. He is also charged with protecting the club's reputation. The welfare of the club is his #1 priority.

In the current financial climate, where money is tight, he doesn't have the luxury of letting things slide which have the potential to damage the club's brand/image. Any damage done has the potential to result in the loss of sponsorship dollars, noting that we ran a deficit last year and cannot afford to lose money in this way. Losing sponsorship dollars means spending less on the football department, which means less success on the field. Is that what you really want?

Trigg's job is not to protect his mates. He has to put the club first and foremost. If that means he is forced to make some unpopular decisions (Vince's slap on the wrist, Rendell's crucifixion) then that's what comes with the territory. It's a harsh and lonely job and I don't envy him being in this particular position.

All you say may be accurate, but there are times when individuals, clubs, communities and countries have to take principalled stances, show the utmost integirty, even if it is detrimental to their causes in the present or short term, to allow them the flourish and hold their heads high.

Life is more than the corporate line, balance sheets, superficial relationships with governing bodies. There must be a higher, moral dimension to live and play sport by. There must be honesty, fairness and loyalty.

 

[FAITH]

So he sacrifices rendell to further his own career. Sounds like something vlad would have done on the way to the top job.

The bottom line is Rendell would have been sacked by Demetriou if Triggy didnt act which Triggy knew.
Now if Triggy went against Demetriou, Demetriou would have found a way to get rid of Triggy as well long term.

I dont want to be harsh on Triggy, beacause they are good people down at the crows.

But he was in a lose-lose situation.

What would you have done?

 

[Smoooothy]

just on the whole triggy thing, can we as members call for an extraordinary general meeting?

do members get a vote in who gets elected to the board/who is CEO etc?

(apologies if this seems a vague and silly question, i haven't been a member for that long so i'm not sure if this is the way it's done)

 

[Vader]

Its the act of a ruthless dictator as i said before.

You get no arguments from me with your description.

So he sacrifices rendell to further his own career. Sounds like something vlad would have done on the way to the top job.

That's a massive over-simplification. His primary interest was not furthering his own career but protecting the image of the AFC & ensuring that it was not tainted by the stain of racism.

 

[Vader]

just on the whole triggy thing, can we as members call for an extraordinary general meeting?

do members get a vote in who gets elected to the board/who is CEO etc?

(apologies if this seems a vague and silly question, i haven't been a member for that long so i'm not sure if this is the way it's done)

No. Members don't get to vote for the Board, which many posters here rightly view as being a bad thing.

The AFC Board is appointed by the SANFL Commission. There's not a damn thing that we supporters can do about it.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Trigg has ruined the Adelaide brand and proved we are nothing more than a AFL franchise. We are not a proud 'Club"...

 

[crowded house]

Trigg had to act immediately. Even Rendell, with the benefit of a couple of hours contemplation, agreed with his decision.

People don't seem to understand just how seriously racism is taken by the club, the AFL and the business community in general. Racism almost destroyed Collingwood's brand back in 1993 when Nicky Winmar raised his jumper, pointed to his black skin and accused the Collingwood faithful of being racist towards him. It took them more than a decade to recover and to rehabilitate their image. Trigg could not afford to have even the faintest whif of racism associated with the club for this very reason.

The Adelaide faithful - and I'm sure this includes Trigg - never doubted that there was a good explanation, one which would clear MR of racism completely. Unfortunately, Trigg didn't have time to wait for this to emerge. He had to act immediately and to be seen to be acting immediately, for the greater good of the AFC.

Do I like the fact that he hung MR out to dry? No, I despise it. However, I don't see that he had any alternative.

With all due respect, this is rubbish. Everyone knows who the real villain is in this situation and it's not Trigg, Rendell or the AFC. It's that fat lying dog who resides in AFL House.

Trigg didn't have to act immediatly and it has been shown as the wrong thing to have done. The brand is tarnished more because of 'Trigger finger' than anything else. To make a decision like this without out all of the facts is terrible management. Who would want to work under this man?

Also considering how Rendell was no longer as passionate about his position it's easy to understand he's decision to resign. Especially since he knew he wouls be on the way out anyway.

 

[Vader]

Trigg has ruined the Adelaide brand and proved we are nothing more than a AFL franchise. We are not a proud 'Club"...

I don't know about that. I know that Vlad is guilty of a horrendous abuse of power, forcing our club & CEO into an untenable position where our independence has been severely undermined.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That's a massive over-simplification. His primary interest was not furthering his own career but protecting the image of the AFC & ensuring that it was not tainted by the stain of racism.

Instead we're now tainted by the stain of both disloyalty and kowtowing.

At least we're not branded as racists though

 

[Mego Red]

Instead we're now tainted by the stain of both disloyalty and kowtowing.

At least we're not branded as racists though

Well, to be honest, racism trumps disloyalty to your staff as an issue you don't want to be tainted with.

 

[bjn1960]

So let's get this straight: Rendell is really upset at the fact that Aboriginal fellas are dropping off AFL lists at an alarming rate.

He is so upset, that in a room with some AFL people, he says that something has to be done about it in fact, he says, if nothing is done about it, he will "not recruit any Aboriginal player unless he has one white parent"; something of a last resort type thing: a "throw away line" to get his point across.

The question is, why would it make any difference if a player has one white parent?

Supposedly, the family lifestyle would have more elements of structure and less causalness with one white parent, thus, enabling the child in that family, a better prospect or hope of persevering and coping with the discipline and regimental structure of an AFL footballers life.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

I don't know about that. I know that Vlad is guilty of a horrendous abuse of power, forcing our club & CEO into an untenable position where our independence has been severely undermined.

We are looked as a weak franchise. You say Eddie wouldn't stand for racism, and I agree 100%...

But if Trigg bothered to do the full inquiry, he would of realised there was nothing at all racist to be concerned of. He jumped the gun like an amateur CEO would.

There were three other clubs who spoke of concerns about drafting Indigenous players.... Would be very interested to here what was said. Would be very interested to hear if they had an idea to fix the problem as Rendell had.