Rename thread; Semantics and splitting hairs, can every phrase ever used be interpreted as Racist?
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Matt Rendell situation thread #3
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Unfortunately yes.....when people don't use common sense and work it out between themselves..........
and take 6 weeks plus to react
Ok my two bobs worth! There have clearly been some major F*%$'s here and the AFL are on top of the pile (AD sitting at the top - cherry on top) BUT only one guy lost his job - who by the way, was very very good at it!! He was trying to do all the right things & didn't know (couldn't have known) he was prodding at a hornets nest! There is no way you can fit a square peg in a round hole! The government knows how to play this game, throw money, justify then ignore! (They have many years of fine tuning so watch listen and learn)
Rendell is guilty of many things here, ignorance, passion and trying to do the right thing! A smarter man would have known how to play this game.
Of all the people who should be out of a job, it should be AD and or Trigg. But let's face it, I am a nobody! Just a regular fan that has a regular job on a paltry $55,000 and pays his money to go and watch this great game!
Rendell is guilty of many things here, ignorance, passion and trying to do the right thing! A smarter man would have known how to play this game.
Of all the people who should be out of a job, it should be AD and or Trigg. But let's face it, I am a nobody! Just a regular fan that has a regular job on a paltry $55,000 and pays his money to go and watch this great game!
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Brenton Davy
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Now Wood_Duck has hit on the crux of this debate and what I think worries us all. How the hell are any of us expected to know exactly what will offend any particular individual within any ethnic group? If I am having a discussion with an indigenous person, how am I to know how sensitive or otherwise this person is and exactly what will or will not offend him/her?
If this climate of Political Correctness continues to expand as it currently is, then white caucasian Australians will not be game to even talk to black indigenous Australians for fear of inadvertently offending them, being labelled racists and risking the type of public humiliation and shame that Matt Rendell has had to endure.
I guess what I am really saying is that there has to be some give and take from both sides in this debate. I understand totally that I have to be sensitive to the feelings of indigenous Australians (or any other ethnic group for that matter), but surely they too have to have some degree of tolerance of honest mistakes, such as those made by Rendell.
Unfortunately, the AFL has only propogated this climate of of overly invasive Political Correctness in the manner that they have thrown Rendell under the metaphorical bus. I dont care what AD says now, he was quoted as saying the person responsible would be looking for another job. In other words, he had already decided that Rendell pays the price for a well intentioned, if ignorant turn of phrase. AFC's reaction was almost irrelevant as the AFL would have swung the axe if we hadn't. The AFL is so committed to anti-racism they have effectively thrown the baby out with the bath water.
The difference here is that they are laughing or joking at your cultures expense. Rendell was not doing this but trying to improve a situation that is in need of correction.
Perception is often wrong this is why Misfud should not have bought it into the public forum but rather discussed it with Rendell. instead he chose the public forum. we now all know him and two weekas ago no on ecould tell you who he was!!
or indeed what he did - same goes for Ali and his brothers.
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and that's why you speak to them at the time. If they are true mates they understand why your upset and if you are a true mate you realize it was not intentional and you move forward.
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Cross posted from main board article.
It's interesting. I've been tweeting Mifsud over the past couple of days, and I get responses from someone I assume is his wife, Teena.
Long story short, I made a comment that I didn't think Mifsud had much integrity. "He had a chance to explain and educate tonight and he chose not to."
And got this response:
@DottyTeena @MattyB_76 Matt was told that what he was saying was not on straight away and it's up to the AFL when these issues are to be delt with.
So I'm taking this to mean that Mifsud and Fahour told Rendell at the meeting that his comments were offensive, and that the AFL would be looking into it?
Interesting twist in the tale, although I take what is said by Teena with a grain of salt.
It's interesting. I've been tweeting Mifsud over the past couple of days, and I get responses from someone I assume is his wife, Teena.
Long story short, I made a comment that I didn't think Mifsud had much integrity. "He had a chance to explain and educate tonight and he chose not to."
And got this response:
@DottyTeena @MattyB_76 Matt was told that what he was saying was not on straight away and it's up to the AFL when these issues are to be delt with.
So I'm taking this to mean that Mifsud and Fahour told Rendell at the meeting that his comments were offensive, and that the AFL would be looking into it?
Interesting twist in the tale, although I take what is said by Teena with a grain of salt.
I would interpret that as meaning Matt's plan as he explained it was not on - and its up to the AFL to decide when indigenous retention rates are dealt with, i.e. not right now as Matt stressed.
In summary "its our job so don't stick your nose in it!!!!!!!!!!"
That's quite different to telling him what he said is offensive.
of course your interpretation could be right - thats the beauty of our language !
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Was reading through and this caught my eye:
However, to suggest Rendell said "assimilation" referring to academies and I think it's a bit of a leap. (Not as big a leap as comparing this issue to the Stolen Generations was, as that's almost certainly the most shameful thing Australia has ever been responsible for and a terrible comparison.) I think any reasonable person would concede that proposing an AFL entry system that through ignorance and/or lack of foresight has elements that are unacceptable to Aboriginal culture is not the same as proposing some sort of academy designed to 'assimilate' them into white Australia. I think if Rendell proposed the latter case outright we would have a) not taken 6 weeks to hear about it and b) not had this story lead with the (adequately explained) 'one white parent' sound bite.
Obviously it matters. Words are important, that's a pretty big part of this whole affair. Basically, you have to be careful when discussing a potentially charged issue. It appears that Rendell wasn't and he caused offence.
However, to suggest Rendell said "assimilation" referring to academies and I think it's a bit of a leap. (Not as big a leap as comparing this issue to the Stolen Generations was, as that's almost certainly the most shameful thing Australia has ever been responsible for and a terrible comparison.) I think any reasonable person would concede that proposing an AFL entry system that through ignorance and/or lack of foresight has elements that are unacceptable to Aboriginal culture is not the same as proposing some sort of academy designed to 'assimilate' them into white Australia. I think if Rendell proposed the latter case outright we would have a) not taken 6 weeks to hear about it and b) not had this story lead with the (adequately explained) 'one white parent' sound bite.
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In my experience it is not as delicate as some seem to make it out to be.
Really, as long as you are respectful and do not try and shove your opinions down their throats, you can really discuss any issue with people from any race or religion. If you are ignorant and realise that you are, I find people are usually very happy to enlighten and educate you!
Really, as long as you are respectful and do not try and shove your opinions down their throats, you can really discuss any issue with people from any race or religion. If you are ignorant and realise that you are, I find people are usually very happy to enlighten and educate you!
That's easy, Jason Mifsud will tell you what is offensive.
Via Andrew Demetriou who will tell your boss.
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I tuned into 5AA for the first time in a long time - mainly to hear what people had to say about Rendell and Stynes.
The first five minutes:
"People are making out that Jason Mifsud is some kind of perpetrator ..."
"Adelaide people are only standing by Rendell because he's from Adelaide - no-one from anywhere in the country is on his side ..."
"There's a mistaken belief that if you go against the AFL then they'll come down on you ... "
Switched it off right there. It's worse than Soviet Russia.
The first five minutes:
"People are making out that Jason Mifsud is some kind of perpetrator ..."
"Adelaide people are only standing by Rendell because he's from Adelaide - no-one from anywhere in the country is on his side ..."
"There's a mistaken belief that if you go against the AFL then they'll come down on you ... "
Switched it off right there. It's worse than Soviet Russia.
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Just a couple of further thoughts.
Jason Mifsud likes tweeting. The guy tweets daily, sometimes two or three times daily. Go back through his tweets, particularly around early Feb when the meeting took place. Zero tweets on this. in fact, no tweets until it all became public. Why? Someone's so offended and tweets about all sorts of mundane things yet doesn't mention this at all for some some six weeks?
Secondly, would it have made if a difference if Rendell's comments were made by someone who is indigenous or if Rendell himself was indigenous? If it would've made a difference, there's your discrimination.
Thirdly, can someone confirm for me that John Howard's work choices haven't been implemented by stealth in the last fortnight and people can't be sacked or forced for resign without reason and due process having occurred.
Jason Mifsud likes tweeting. The guy tweets daily, sometimes two or three times daily. Go back through his tweets, particularly around early Feb when the meeting took place. Zero tweets on this. in fact, no tweets until it all became public. Why? Someone's so offended and tweets about all sorts of mundane things yet doesn't mention this at all for some some six weeks?
Secondly, would it have made if a difference if Rendell's comments were made by someone who is indigenous or if Rendell himself was indigenous? If it would've made a difference, there's your discrimination.
Thirdly, can someone confirm for me that John Howard's work choices haven't been implemented by stealth in the last fortnight and people can't be sacked or forced for resign without reason and due process having occurred.
Rucci just commented on 5AA that Rendell's proposed solution was "the most horrible thought you could have".
Bloody hell, dramatic much? That's a pretty outrageous statement.
Bloody hell, dramatic much? That's a pretty outrageous statement.
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Who made those quotes? Cornesey has been massively behind Rendell on this issue. Most callers have had a similar opinion to this board.
Wildy predominantly. Back up by Rooch.
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Rucci is a dick, wildly surprises me. I assume you were listening this morning? The weekday drive show certainly had a different point of view.
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