Matt Rendell...

[Cap]

Says a fair bit about the man (below). Dragged across a menagerie of lemmings from NAB to Aus Post too.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aust...ood-factor-20110513-1emf5.html?skin=text-only

Welcome to a new level of dodgy!

well done AFL on really making yourself look corrupt.

 

[Mitch Power]

In last night's intro, Thomas spoke about a conversation he had yesterday with Mifsud in which he asked whether Mifsud thought Rendell would follow through on the comment. He said Mifsud laughed and replied, "Absolutely not! I don't think Matt even believes what he said." There was no offence taken by Mifsud.

If Fahour was offended, he obviously didn't feel it was worth acting on. If he's offended in hindsight it's because he's been ordered to be offended.

Demetriou needs to offer Rendell his job back and admit that a mistake has been made.

Demetriou said it was the club's decision.
The club said it was Matt Rendell's decision
Rendell said he wanted to stay and give a press conference to explain further. Either Rendell is not telling the truth or Trigg/Demetriou are not telling the truth.

I feel the AFC through Rob Chapman and Steven Trigg let Rendell down. They caved in under Demetriou's pressure instead of giving Rendell an opportunity to explain himself. Whether you like or dislike Eddie or Kennett, they would have stood up to Demetriou for the staff member and given every opportunity to clear his name in the first instance. Very poor by Trigg and Chapman IMO.

 

[Blind Turn]

I get the feeling that Matt Rendell has done far far more for aboriginal people than 99.9% of people employed within the AFL. His hands-on role in connecting with indigenous kids as they enter the AFL environment, I hazard to guess, has been far more productive than the distant pontification from the likes of Anderson and Demetriou.

While Rendell's comment reflects badly on the fabric of Australian culture, it is not from his heart, you can tell this.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Docklands races today

Indigenous Affairs Stks
Gear changes: J.Mifsud - tongue tie on; Assorted Hacks - blinkers on; Loony Left - pacifiers on; Triggerhappy - gelded
Market: Big Adolf 1/10, Triggerhappy 6/4, Cornflakes 20/1, Bundy 500's...

 

[ltdamn]

The latest from Robbo - Demetriou says Dipper wasn't sacked but Rendell was because he didn't apologise;

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/af...endell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

"The difference was Dipper made a comment, he immediately got on the phone and rang Gavin Wanganeen and apologised, he apologised publicly," he said. He knew it was wrong, he didn't resile from the comment. He was completely remorseful."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

Except he already said earlier in the article Trigg had told him he would be terminated if he didn't resign;

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

"People are entitled to form a view about what was said ... but I will repeat and add one thing: Adelaide invited Matthew Rendell in to explain himself, they weren't satisfied with his explanation and sent him away for a couple of hours. He came back and took the decision his position at the club was untenable. He chose to resign despite the fact (CEO) Steven Trigg said that if he didn't resign, (he) would've terminated his employment."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Robbo was tight-lipped and announced with the utmost seriousness that there would be breaking developments on this tomorrow.

...whereas in fact he's got SFA and this sheds little to no extra light on the situation.

 

[Mr Magic]

couple of questions I have is:

1. what has Rendell done to make the situation unteneable???

2. Why wasn't any misunderstanding mediated between disaffected parties???

3. Is there another agenda or purpose???

4. Does AFL HQ know how to handle concerned indigenous stakeholders???


5. Is Trigg qualified to run a football club???

6 Is AD out of his depth in understanding the issues and any cultural differences etc... which may have caused a misunderstanding???


7., There has been a lot of shooting from the hip, do we have an ego problem and a lack of check and balances to reign this in???

8. Is power centralised/concentrated to greatly to a few???


9. Has AD and Trigg brought the game into disrepute at least from their actions and statements???


10, Does Rendell have a legal case????

 

[Keys]

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So Andy D any chance you could provide us with all the facts then you arrogant ****wit

 

[JoondalupJ]

Re: Matt Rendall...

What ever is the truth, the one fact that is true is that the AFL is so politically correct
that they jump with terror when anything even slightly incorrect occurs . And they do it
without looking first. I don,t know but my gut tells me they over shot the runway and ran Rendell out of town before really discovering what was actually meant not what was said but what was meant.

Rendell had his employment ruined, I,d say, by a person or people who will jump on anything to make a point and to sound like they,re doing the job. What job? To do the Indigenous condition in this country any good people have to be able to identify problems that may occur by speaking plainly and honestly.

I think that Andrew McCleod understands Matt Rendells comments better than some who condemn him for them. McCleod vouched for Rendell. I,m amazed but once again you have to look at the CEO of the AFL Andrew Dimetriou his reaction to just about everything is shotgun diplomacy he simply jumps at the instant he creates a truth in his own mind and thats that.

This fellow controls the game that belongs to the people , I think its time Andrew and Adrian and all thier underlings need a change, I believe the AFL needs a change and I think its time some people with influence in the AFL begin a process where this administration is once and for all removed.

I may be biased but I see the game I know being so mutilated by rule change and try out that it is heading towards what I,ve always said , its heading into something we soon won,t recognise.

But we have to be honest and fair and be able to speak freely and openly when we deal with some aspects of indigeenous players and people in general.
This is their country and we need to ligitimise that fact and recognise that fact and change the lives of the first nations of Australians in general, then political correctness will not need to be exploited by organisations like the AFL who can crucify an innocent person who has only the players good fortunes at heart, and at the same time inflame the racist thing all over again. Double standards are not a good way to go. But honesty in explaning a situation is, be open be friendly be honest be ready to help and improve and that goes for everyone on two legs.

We really need new blood in the AFL administration, Dim has had a long enough go!

 

[TerryWallet]

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So Andy D any chance you could provide us with all the facts then you arrogant ****wit

Trigg has clearly stated that the facts of the entire conversation are not kind to Matt Rendell.

Rendell stuffed up. He's not a bad man because of it. But his job as an AFL Club head recruiter became untenable by his remarks.

Btw, ...Mifsud and Rendell are friendly. Mifsud is hardly going to stitch him up or say he said things he didn't.

 

[Plugger35]

The latest from Robbo - Demetriou says Dipper wasn't sacked but Rendell was because he didn't apologise;

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/af...endell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

"The difference was Dipper made a comment, he immediately got on the phone and rang Gavin Wanganeen and apologised, he apologised publicly," he said. He knew it was wrong, he didn't resile from the comment. He was completely remorseful."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

Except he already said earlier in the article Trigg had told him he would be terminated if he didn't resign;

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

"People are entitled to form a view about what was said ... but I will repeat and add one thing: Adelaide invited Matthew Rendell in to explain himself, they weren't satisfied with his explanation and sent him away for a couple of hours. He came back and took the decision his position at the club was untenable. He chose to resign despite the fact (CEO) Steven Trigg said that if he didn't resign, (he) would've terminated his employment."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/fresh-claims-in-matthew-rendell-race-saga/story-e6frg1xu-1226305707190

So many holes in Demetriou's explanation it isn't funny.

Demetriou tries to make out that Dipper was treated differently to Rendell because he apologised straight away and apologised publicly but Dipper's comments were obviously offensive and not taken out of context and they were also made in public, unlike Rendell's comments which were not obviously offensive in context and not made in public.

If Rendell wasn't aware he had made offensive comments and they were not made in public why would he need to issue a public apology? It makes no sense.

Also in that article Demetriou says that people don't have all the facts but won't tell us what these other facts are. Rendell has been completely open and told us his version of events but we still don't have Mifsud's version of events or this other Ali Fahour bloke's version of events, they only say that they were deeply offended by Rendell's comments despite them not taking any action for two months.

 

[JoondalupJ]

couple of questions I have is:

1. what has Rendell done to make the situation unteneable???

2. Why wasn't any misunderstanding mediated between disaffected parties???

3. Is there another agenda or purpose???

4. Does AFL HQ know how to handle concerned indigenous stakeholders???


5. Is Trigg qualified to run a football club???

6 Is AD out of his depth in understanding the issues and any cultural differences etc... which may have caused a misunderstanding???


7., There has been a lot of shooting from the hip, do we have an ego problem and a lack of check and balances to reign this in???

8. Is power centralised/concentrated to greatly to a few???


9. Has AD and Trigg brought the game into disrepute at least from their actions and statements???


10, Does Rendell have a legal case????

A legal case may be the way to finally remove Dimetriou and co from the AFL.
You have many legitimate questions there , love to see all answered.

 

[The Speaker]

Trigg has clearly stated that the facts of the entire conversation are not kind to Matt Rendell.

Rendell stuffed up. He's not a bad man because of it. But his job as an AFL Club head recruiter became untenable by his remarks.

I'm sorry, why is Trigg the man whose version of events (that he wasn't even there for) the version we should believe?

 

[Confuscius]

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So Andy D any chance you could provide us with all the facts then you arrogant ****wit

More inclined to believe Rendell than Demetriou, simply cos Demetriou's is a second/third account of the story. Rendell knows what he said, and there are a lot of people saying he is a very honest man.

Problem is AFL is too worried about its 'brand' being damaged in the public eye. Exactly why Selwood had to apologise for saying "Had a feeling Israel Folau was always going to get the all clear to play this Sat night, did anyone else think differently?" Hardly a thing wrong with that, yet the AFL jump in and discuss things with Selwood purely because they could possibly be construed into a criticism. (And let's be honest, Selwood is spot on, Folau was never going to be suspended).

When you get Rendell's comments out of context and clearly construed to the scandalous, racist angle... Well we've seen what happens

 

[JoondalupJ]

So many holes in Demetriou's explanation it isn't funny.

Demetriou tries to make out that Dipper was treated differently to Rendell because he apologised straight away and apologised publicly but Dipper's comments were obviously offensive and not taken out of context and they were also made in public, unlike Rendell's comments which were not obviously offensive in context and not made in public.

If Rendell wasn't aware he had made offensive comments and they were not made in public why would he need to issue a public apology? It makes no sense.

Also in that article Demetriou says that people don't have all the facts but won't tell us what these other facts are. Rendell has been completely open and told us his version of events but we still don't have Mifsud's version of events or this other Ali Fahour bloke's version of events, they only say that they were deeply offended by Rendell's comments despite them not taking any action for two months.

Well if Rendell would not retract his comment , I would read that as if he believed he had done nothing wrong. I believe that he did not say anything wrong and was accused by politically correct mania by some people who really don,t have the intelligence to see comments for what they really mean. Thats what I think.

 

[Simple Jack]

FFS some people need instructions on how to use use their own brains.

Would be my sig if it wasn't more than 35 characters.

 

[Ron The Bear]

What went down with Trigg shouldn't be under a cloud.

Rendell's account was conveyed clearly: he was called in by Trigg while on his way to the airport and shown the quote attributed to him in The Age.

Rendell: "Well that's not correct. I'll get in front of the media and tell them what happened."
Trigg: "No, you're not going to do that. It's a bit too late."

Trigg knew about it on the Wednesday but only spoke to Rendell on the Friday to deliver the ultimatum - resign or be sacked. Rendell was already a dead man walking. It was pre-empted in an interview Demetriou gave on the Thursday in which he suggested the recruiter concerned needed to "start thinking about other employment". Demetriou had no interest in any response Rendell might give, and had ordered him gone before Rendell even knew there was a problem.

Surely the truth of this can be verified?

 

[Keys]

Trigg has clearly stated that the facts of the entire conversation are not kind to Matt Rendell.

Rendell stuffed up. He's not a bad man because of it. But his job as an AFL Club head recruiter became untenable by his remarks.

Btw, ...Mifsud and Rendell are friendly. Mifsud is hardly going to stitch him up or say he said things he didn't.

Rendell has clearly stated he didn't say anything else of a racist nature

Adelaide have thrown rendell under a bus and the only comments attributed to rendell that aren't in dispute have been explained by rendell and I believe his assertion that the comments were made as a warning of what might happen rather than something he'd done or intended to do

It's a cop out by trigg and Andy to say there were other comments without elaborating as they could well be comments similarly taken out of context or comments not made at all.

I'm still at a loss to understand why misfud and his mate didnt take immediate action if they were so offended at the time and I also fail to understand why misfud hasn't spoken to the media

 

[TerryWallet]

I'm sorry, why is Trigg the man whose version of events (that he wasn't even there for) the version we should believe?

Trigg and Mifsud are both friendly with Rendell.

Do you honestly think they have stitched Rendell up?

Why does this have to be any deeper than Rendell stuffed up and it made his particular job untenable?

It doesn't mean he's a bad bloke any more than it didn't mean that Damien Monkhorst was a bad bloke when he said what he shouldn't.

If Andrew McLeod comes out in the coming days and says wtte "I've now been told the full conversation and its context and i still believe Rendell has been wronged" then that will be a different matter,...butas the known facts stand....Matt Rendell stuffed up and it cost him his job.

 

[Mr Magic]

Trigg has clearly stated that the facts of the entire conversation are not kind to Matt Rendell.

Rendell stuffed up. He's not a bad man because of it. But his job as an AFL Club head recruiter became untenable by his remarks.

Btw, ...Mifsud and Rendell are friendly. Mifsud is hardly going to stitch him up or say he said things he didn't.

I actually disagree with this. The longer this goes on AD and Trigg could make themselves unteneable.

IMO the values suggested by AD and Trigg could make them unteneable with the AFL and Australian culture as well as indigenous culture.


For me you are what you do!!!

Remarks by themselves are of little substance. What is important is the context , various backgrounds behind the perceptions and the intent of the remarks.

Regarding intent it seems most say Rendell is not a racist yet some say his position is untenable due to comments that imply the opposite which could find them in hot legal water due to their implication.

This does not make sense unless Rendell showed behaviour that was racist at times in the past. I don't think he could have done this as he would have been outed in the past given his role and indigenuous involvement and also Mcleod vouching by for him.

it is more like inflammatory remarks were simply misunderstood and taken out of context for various reasons which would be why Rendell has no cause to back away from them even though they may not have been smooth!!


My gut feel is this . Some people may have silently been offended at the time due to some remarks or simply the topic probably because of cultural and other different perceptions based on fear geographics and other environmental differences nothing to do with the colour or race of one person.

This offended people probably went to AD eventually. AD may well have simply thought this is in the too hard basket who knows. The quickest simplest easiest solution AD could have been be to rough road the process and over hype the dramatics via Adelaide.


If you think about it , it sounds like Rendells topics were caring and insightful about some truths that are close to peoples hearts. If a mediator sat down with Rendell and these supposed offended folk they probably would see eye to eye in the end because it appears there was no racial intent and both want the best for the indigenuous opportunity. However, the common concerns Rendell had for the indigenuous as well as stakeholders offended previously regarding prospects of indigenous talent would remain which means AFL HQ would conceivably still have a heightened problem to address.

This would not be easy for AD, it could be conceivably far easy to railroad the process and if pressure on someone complaining about GWS as well is all good as a myoptic AFL HQ short term strategy

Having said all this because no one has revealed anything really no one knows for sure the truth except a few possibly. The majority of the public probably feels the actions of some are highly dubious and it is not a good look for the AFL or Adelaide footy club atm!

So unless things get transparent more unteneable tags will fly around no doubt!!!

 

[Keys]

Trigg and Mifsud are both friendly with Rendell.

Do you honestly think they have stitched Rendell up?

Why does this have to be any deeper than Rendell stuffed up and it made his particular job untenable?

It doesn't mean he's a bad bloke any more than it didn't mean that Damien Monkhorst was a bad bloke when he said what he shouldn't.

If Andrew McLeod comes out in the coming days and says wtte "I've now been told the full conversation and its context and i still believe Rendell has been wronged" then that will be a different matter,...butas the known facts stand....Matt Rendell stuffed up and it cost him his job.

Firstly I dont think trigg and misfud have deliberately stitched rendell up, that honor belongs to Andy D and they're just doing what they're told

Secondly, the known facts are rendell made an over the top analogy to make a point that has been taken out of context two months later and it has cost him his job without him being given the opportunity to explain himself. Rendell hardly stuffed up, rather he's been well and truly shafted

 

[The Speaker]

Trigg and Mifsud are both friendly with Rendell.

Do you honestly think they have stitched Rendell up?

Mifsud is the closer of the two.

He hasn't publicly said anything notable.

Trigg's got his own job to look after. If the higher ups are saying that he must do something, I'm not sure he would have much choice.

Why does this have to be any deeper than Rendell stuffed up and it made his particular job untenable?

It doesn't mean he's a bad bloke any more than it didn't mean that Damien Monkhorst was a bad bloke when he said what he shouldn't.

If Andrew McLeod comes out in the coming days and says wtte "I've now been told the full conversation and its context and i still believe Rendell has been wronged" then that will be a different matter,...butas the known facts stand....Matt Rendell stuffed up and it cost him his job.

Because he has been sacked on the basis of a remark that has little evidence to have ever been uttered.

It's not exactly complicated.

 

[TerryWallet]

Rendell has clearly stated he didn't say anything else of a racist nature

Adelaide have thrown rendell under a bus and the only comments attributed to rendell that aren't in dispute have been explained by rendell and I believe his assertion that the comments were made as a warning of what might happen rather than something he'd done or intended to do

It's a cop out by trigg and Andy to say there were other comments without elaborating as they could well be comments similarly taken out of context or comments not made at all.

I'm still at a loss to understand why misfud and his mate didnt take immediate action if they were so offended at the time and I also fail to understand why misfud hasn't spoken to the media

Keyser

it has been reported today that Mifsud agonised over taking action for weeks. Why is that so hard to believe? After all, he is friends with Rendell, but is employed as an indigenous officer of the AFL.

It would be quite a conflicted position to be in.

Obviously he wouldn't have done this lightly.

Trigg says the entire conversation is not kind to Rendell. Obviously Mifsud and Farhur remembered it well enough.

Rendell has conveniently said he can't remember what else he said....oh, other than it was all taken out of context.

 

[yaco55]

Think the incident shows that VLAD is all powerful - Rendell didn't stand a chance.

Wondering if Rendell had said something else in the past to get VLAD angry.

 

[The Speaker]

Rendell has said he can't remember what else he said....oh, other than it was all taken out of context.

So he got fired for a remark he can't recall and that hasn't been reported anywhere?

Or he got fired for a remark that was incorrectly reported and isn't anything beyond a wild exaggeration?