Roast Matthew Lloyd

[PepperFace]

Geez hes pretty much said what we have all been saying on here. Good midfield. Weak backline and forward line. We are hoping Gault and Moore can improve this year which would certianly help. But he was pretty much spot on. And our defenders are generally terrible by foot. Sounds to me Lloyd either knows his shit or been reading our BF forums

 

[Seedsfan]

Geez hes pretty much said what we have all been saying on here. Good midfield. Weak backline and forward line. We are hoping Gault and Moore can improve this year which would certianly help. But he was pretty much spot on. And our defenders are generally terrible by foot. Sounds to me Lloyd either knows his shit or been reading our BF forums

To blast the backline saying that we are going to have to rely on Marsh and Frost because behind Reid is no one else is ludicrous

 

[GreekLunatic]

He left out brown from the backline

 

[CFC2010]

He left out brown from the backline

He did leave out Brown......but everything else he said about our backline was correct!

 

[Kirby]

This thread is very funny and unintentionally ironic.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

He did leave out Brown......but everything else he said about our backline was correct!

But to put Frost and Marsh in front of Brown who he doesn't even mention, pretty much destroys everything he says about our backline. Has always been bias against Collingwood in the things he says, which is strange considering his brother once worked for us. For an Essendon person I prefer Kevin Sheedy who at least has a sense of humour and knows what he's talking about.

 

[sirlothie]

They get one of them to pump up Collingwood, one to write us off. Everyone is happy and someone is right.

 

[mike123]

But to put Frost and Marsh in front of Brown who he doesn't even mention, pretty much destroys everything he says about our backline. Has always been bias against Collingwood in the things he says, which is strange considering his brother once worked for us. For an Essendon person I prefer Kevin Sheedy who at least has a sense of humour and knows what he's talking about.

Not really, its destroys we have no one behind the Ben Reid argument a little but the his point about our footskills still hold up.

 

[Seedsfan]

Not really, its destroys we have no one behind the Ben Reid argument a little but the his point about our footskills still hold up.

Saying we have no depth because after Reid we rely on Frost and Marsh and not mentioning Brown makes him look like an uninformed idiot

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Not really, its destroys we have no one behind the Ben Reid argument a little but the his point about our footskills still hold up.

That's glass half empty Mike.
Sinclair's been kicking at over 90% efficiency through the the practice games.
Ramsay and Oxley have always been good kicks.
Maynard is an elite kick who just needs to string a few games together to gain confidence.
Reid is an elite kick, but Brown is better at negating opposition forwards.
At some point we get Scharenberg back, who is an elite kick.
Goodyear, Phillips and Crocker all capable of playing down back and all good kicks.
True, at this point of time, our backline has weaknesses, but who is to say that by the middle of the season, when players have settled into their positions, that our backline won't be one of our strengths.
Easy for ex-footballers from opposition clubs, turned media commentators, who hate us, to look for excuses to dismiss us.

 

[MarkT2]

We are weak down back because we have only one real class KP back and he's been injured for 2 years and had another setback this pre season. Brown is a decent FB and overlooking him was an error. Everything else he said was correct. We lack poise down back and our kicking all over the ground is below standard. We have been weak up forward as well but hopefully we have solutions on the list now with Moore developing but we need Elliot to get fit. Our footskills are so bad there is talk of playing our best mid at half back to counter the skill deficiency. Hawthorn play Hodge down back because they can not because they need to. There is a big difference.

I have said for years we cannot play Reid forward because we don't have a good enough backline to do that. Our backline has been badly exposed since Maxwell retired and Reid got injured.

 

[jmac70]

Saying we have no depth because after Reid we rely on Frost and Marsh and not mentioning Brown makes him look like an uninformed idiot

He also forget to mention White down back...

 

[jmac70]

We are weak down back because we have only one real class KP back and he's been injured for 2 years and had another setback this pre season. Brown is a decent FB and overlooking him was an error. Everything else he said was correct. We lack poise down back and our kicking all over the ground is below standard. We have been weak up forward as well but hopefully we have solutions on the list now with Moore developing but we need Elliot to get fit. Our footskills are so bad there is talk of playing our best mid at half back to counter the skill deficiency. Hawthorn play Hodge down back because they can not because they need to. There is a big difference.

I have said for years we cannot play Reid forward because we don't have a good enough backline to do that. Our backline has been badly exposed since Maxwell retired and Reid got injured.

That NAB game against the Dogs really did illustrate just how bad we can be. I do think though that we will see an improvement in round 1, and that it should continue to improve as some of our young defenders gain more experience.

 

[McCrabblett]

Saying we have no depth because after Reid we rely on Frost and Marsh and not mentioning Brown makes him look like an uninformed idiot

U Huh...yep, you are right, thats an error. So he's running about 90% so far. How are you doing?

Fyfe is that overrated it is not funny

In three years guys like Scharenberg, Freeman, Adams, Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Williams, Seedsman, Langdon, Fasolo, Thomas, Witts, Sinclair and Moore will all be very good players and just add to the likes of Pendlebury, Beams, Cloke, Reid, Sidebottom, Swan, Brown and Blair. To say we are going to drop and bottom out Lloyd has no clue

That is shit in 3 years time we will be playing in our 11th straight finals series

Well, shucks. I am overwhelmed by your superior objective analysis of our situation, clearly Mr Lloyd is just another biased hack.

 

[unplugged]

Did he say anything about Langdon?

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he spent a lot of time in his rolling AA side last year?

 

[jmac70]

U Huh...yep, you are right, thats an error. So he's running about 90% so far. How are you doing?







Well, shucks. I am overwhelmed by your superior objective analysis of our situation, clearly Mr Lloyd is just another biased hack.

Mr Lloys does get paid for his analysis though. To leave out our full back in an assessment of our defence is pretty poor.

 

[Maggie5]

U Huh...yep, you are right, thats an error. So he's running about 90% so far. How are you doing?







Well, shucks. I am overwhelmed by your superior objective analysis of our situation, clearly Mr Lloyd is just another biased hack.

Actually I believe his is biased and let his bias affect his analysis, didn't include Maynard, Langdon, Ramsay, Oxley nor Brown of those that are available.
Further in the NAB game against WB if their fwd line had out marked, out muscled, out run our defence, I can understand his comment however it was our poor disposal that made it look worse. IMO if you can get the ball and your disposal is poor then that is the area you can improve.
What you may not be able to improve is if you are nowhere near the ball nor your opponent.
So where was your objective assessment?

 

[Seedsfan]

U Huh...yep, you are right, thats an error. So he's running about 90% so far. How are you doing?







Well, shucks. I am overwhelmed by your superior objective analysis of our situation, clearly Mr Lloyd is just another biased hack.

Did We ever bottom out and finish in the bottom 4 like he said? We may have not of made finials in 2 of the 3 season but we went 35-31 in those three seasons. That's a long way from bottoming out.

Yes I got that wrong on Fyfe in that time he has become a lot more consistent and taken his game to a new level. But before 2013 he was incredibly hot and cold.

It's a bit much getting stuck into me because I predicted guys like Reid Scharenberg and Freeman to be in our best 22. No one knew Scharenberg would have done 2 ACL's heading into his third season and Freeman would have severed his hamstring and never played. It is reasonable to assume that 3 years after you draft two top ten picks would be in the best 22

Gone quiet McCrabblett

 

[McCrabblett]

Actually I believe his is biased and let his bias affect his analysis, didn't include Langdon, Ramsay, Oxley nor Brown of those that are available.
Further in the NAB game against WB if their fwd line had out marked, out muscled, out run our defence, I can understand his comment however it was our poor disposal that made it look worse. IMO if you can get the ball and your disposal is poor then that is the area you can improve.
What you may not be able to improve is if you are nowhere near the ball nor your opponent.
So where was your objective assessment?

Then I think you are also a bit biased, but thats ok .

My analysis, I think he is generally correct, and our midfield is now a strength but we are lacking depth in our key position roles and our skill level down back is poor. We are relying heavily on some youngsters improving, to give us any depth in KPP at all. And without Reid, our tall back stocks are very limited depending on two stoppers and one dashing slightly undersized player who has had a poor preseason to put it mildly. We would probably be targeting a key back at least for FA if we are being smart. We have put most of our "class" eggs, for want of a better term, into the midfield. If you look at our backline, it is over endowed with players who were either rookies or low draft picks, and that is an indication of the fact most of them have significant limitations.

There is hope if Scharenberg returns for example, and if Reid returns, that things may get better. For now though, I expect our defence to have more bad days than good.

So I think Lloyd's assessment is generally pretty level headed, not far off mine, and one I doubt I'm alone in. I guess I find it ironic given his concerns that started this thread two years ago proved pretty much right.

And I guess I also don't agree that disposal skill is something you can improve easily. Our history suggests that poor disposers of the ball rarely get better, at least at Collingwood. It is in fact one of our real weaknesses as a skill coaching domain, and has been for as long as I can remember.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Of course our defence is going to be in question. It wasn't necessarily good last season either.

We were always going to struggle when Maxwell left.

Our 2 senior players, Brown and Toovey are the only ones who can really organise that defence, and that doesn't really give me much confidence.

Brown is good to mediocre. Toovey, imo, is already fighting for a spot in the backline. Heck, I don't even think he'll be at the club by the end of the season.

We have such a young brigade of defenders, and with so many options it's almost rotating as well.

So OF COURSE our defence is going to be in question, when you have a bunch of young defenders, who've only played with eachother for a couple of seasons, where you don't really have a natural leader there to marshall the defence.

Matty Lloyd, you get an A for your assessment. You deserve a sticker.

 

[Maggie5]

Then I think you are also a bit biased, but thats ok .

My analysis, I think he is generally correct, and our midfield is now a strength but we are lacking depth in our key position roles and our skill level down back is poor. We are relying heavily on some youngsters improving, to give us any depth in KPP at all. And without Reid, our tall back stocks are very limited depending on two stoppers and one dashing slightly undersized player who has had a poor preseason to put it mildly. We would probably be targeting a key back at least for FA if we are being smart. We have put most of our "class" eggs, for want of a better term, into the midfield. If you look at our backline, it is over endowed with players who were either rookies or low draft picks, and that is an indication of the fact most of them have significant limitations.

There is hope if Scharenberg returns for example, and if Reid returns, that things may get better. For now though, I expect our defence to have more bad days than good.

So I think Lloyd's assessment is generally pretty level headed, not far off mine, and one I doubt I'm alone in. I guess I find it ironic given his concerns that started this thread two years ago proved pretty much right.

And I guess I also don't agree that disposal skill is something you can improve easily. Our history suggests that poor disposers of the ball rarely get better, at least at Collingwood. It is in fact one of our real weaknesses as a skill coaching domain, and has been for as long as I can remember.

I was specifically referring to our defence as that was what he emphasised, so lets stick to that for a moment, happy to discuss the rest in another post.

I omitted Maynard, when I was listing players that he didn't mention, which means he totally ignored 5 players (not including Shaz), so not sure you can post that it was a true analysis, without some bias.

In so far as disposal skill is something that can't be improved on well, well then the club may as well shut up shop, sack the coaches and make a space in the cabinet for the wooden spoon.

I am disappointed that you see rookies or low draft picks as a negative, some of the better players in the league have been hidden gems from those areas.
Our last captain for example?

 

[Seedsfan]

Also contrary to popular belief our backline was not that bad last year even though everyone is so desperate to pot it. At the half way mark of the year we conceded the 3rd fewest scores per defensive 50 entry. Yes they got overwhelmed at the end of the year but that was the whole team the problem was not exclusive to them.

With a much improved midfield heading into season 2016 you would hope that they would hold there own for the whole 22 weeks and therefore not exposing the backline to as many entries as they did in the second half of last year.

Add to that a fit Reid who by his standards has had a good preseason and we will have a strong defensive combination in the key posts.

I am not predicting us to be world beaters but we are far from the rabble people say we will be

 

[Anzacday]

All this talk about the show last night and no-one has touched on Hutchy's plugs and the fact Damo called him honey.
I did laugh when Caro said poor Hardwick has had to put up with a compromised draft!

 

[TradeDraft]

Absolute flog, on Footy Classified tonight he was bagging out the Pies saying our backline is not good enough and we are weak in the key posts. To summarise he said they have a very good midfield but we are weak at either end of the ground. He goes on to say look at there backline Ben Reid you just can't rely on his body and that leaves Frost and Marsh as our only two key defenders. Then he goes on to bag everyone's foot skills.

All I have to say to him is Lloydo once again your poorly researched opinion has made you look like a fool. Too say that behind Reid we only have Marsh and Frost is factually incorrect as you fail to mention Nathan Brown a man who is a premiership full back and finished top 10 in our BnF last year. Stupid statements like that destroy what little credibility you have

What I heard ftom Lloyd. Makes him sound like he has no idea as he has nothing backing his Claim

 

[TradeDraft]

Geez hes pretty much said what we have all been saying on here. Good midfield. Weak backline and forward line. We are hoping Gault and Moore can improve this year which would certianly help. But he was pretty much spot on. And our defenders are generally terrible by foot. Sounds to me Lloyd either knows his shit or been reading our BF forums

So then you believe we are NOT a top 8 Side then?