MCG to host GF through to 2057

[blue harvest]

As a Crows supporter living in Melbourne for over 20 years i must say it is a very biased state. Not sure the answer currently but when i used to attend the games in Melbourne 15 years ago there was never ever any interstate umpires always Victorian (not sure if it is still that way) I stopped going as it was just to expensive to go and see a team get shafted very often at the G and seriously Adelaide were that good back then. Edwards Mccleod The Roo Goodwin etc.
I always thought the travel system was complete biased with interstate sides traveling more than Vic sides. The Salary cap for Sydney yet Victoria was the same as Adelaide and the excuse was living allowance yet Victoria is clearly less affordable than Adelaide it makes no sense. I at least hung onto the fact that one day the team i barracked for would maybe get a home grand final well i wont be around in 40 years so i will never see it. Do not care if anyone replies to this as i am now done with the AFL it is the most corrupt game in the world. I have now got rid of Foxtel i will not follow a game that is so helpful to one team and not another. And to all interstate people only if you stop going buying and supporting the AFL as a product it will never change. Thank god i bought a Pinball

You said the same thing about giving up Foxtel and playing pinball when Douglas got suspended.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Ive pretty much said all i have to say in this thread.

You vics can have your vfl.

Yes you will see me back if there are interstate teams in a gf - after the event - but aside from that im withdrawing from anything bar the eagles.


Enjoy your rigged sport.

Good for you, at least you are now doing something, now all you need is 20,000 eagles Crows etc to follow suit.

 

[HTT]

Ever seen a soccer game at the g

Looks ridiculous

Who's getting the real money in for that stadium? Rugby/Soccer that might have a game there once in a blue moon? Or football that has minimum 22 games each year, more or less filling the joint? Shouldn't take much to convince the developers, unless you want to have an easy excuse when you choke in September that is.

 

[tigerdan]

M8 my advice is do what I did n walk away from AFL n follow your local Australian Rules side. There’s less politics n grubby back room deals. It’s a hellva lot more enjoyable and cheaper.

I follow a league that has a full home and away fixture, rotates the grand final as well as the the semi finals. I get to stand in the changerooms n watch em belt out the song, go onto the field at 1/4 & 3/4 time to listen to coaching instructions etc

I’d never dream of having the AFL as my main intake of Australian Rules anymore.

Just like a lot of other people AFL is virtually dead to me. If I want to watch a scripted pantomime I’d watch WWE, atleast they can actually produce performers with a bit of character when they talk.


Ps the jokers on here that will come back with their illiterate, illogical and childish trolls don’t bother trying because I won’t be replying. I have better things to do.

Nice of you to walk away in disgust about cola. You are one principled fan. But don't worry, they abolished it, so you are welcome back to the fold any time mate.

 

[doppleganger]

So you’ve just backed up what every non-Victorian supporter says on here n that is that by your link that there should be a home ground advantage at the MCG for Melbourne based MCG tenants against non-MCG tenants on grand final day ranging from mid50’s to almost 70%. It’s a damning statistic.

No.

The ground dimension, travel, sleeping in beds, familiarity with ground etc are not big factors.

The biggest factor is the umpires.

Soccer has the biggest home ground advantage, because umpires making foul or penalty calls have such a bigger impact on the result. Studies have shown many more penalties awarded to home teams.

NBA the same factor, home teams get the ‘soft’ calls late...head to the line more. But as the game is transitioning away from isolation game in the paint to a 3 point game...guess what, home advantage is diminishing.

Look at Freo v WC Derby’s, do a comparison of frees as home team v away, the home team gets the advantage.

On GF day, the crowd noise is split, the biggest advantage of playing at home...umpriring advantage simply doesn’t exist.

Sydney popping in a plane for an hour two days before the game is not an issue.

 

[skipper kelly]

I love the position where home ground advantage exists in every game of the year except the Grand Final.

 

[HPKS]

No.

The ground dimension, travel, sleeping in beds, familiarity with ground etc are not big factors.

The biggest factor is the umpires.

Soccer has the biggest home ground advantage, because umpires making foul or penalty calls have such a bigger impact on the result. Studies have shown many more penalties awarded to home teams.

NBA the same factor, home teams get the ‘soft’ calls late...head to the line more. But as the game is transitioning away from isolation game in the paint to a 3 point game...guess what, home advantage is diminishing.

Look at Freo v WC Derby’s, do a comparison of frees as home team v away, the home team gets the advantage.

On GF day, the crowd noise is split, the biggest advantage of playing at home...umpriring advantage simply doesn’t exist.

Sydney popping in a plane for an hour two days before the game is not an issue.

You can dress it up all you want but your link with the statistics that you used say the home side has a mid 50’s to 70% chance of winning. It’s an advantage. By your link it’s an advantage or are you saying your link is wrong.

 

[footyfan1978]

Hope these help...

Shit marketing job. Surely that white area could have included a pic of the moment Jack Darling shat himself on the big stage spilling that easiest of marks?

Or maybe leave that for the toilet roll version.

 

[skipper kelly]

You can dress it up all you want but your link with the statistics that you used say the home side has a mid 50’s to 70% chance of winning. It’s an advantage. By your link it’s an advantage or are you saying your link is wrong.

The argument is that home ground advantage is real and the non-vic teams have a greater advantage throughout the year which benefits them making the finals. Then magically at the MCG on GF day there is no home ground advantage.

 

[blue harvest]

I love the position where home ground advantage exists in every game of the year except the Grand Final.

I don't think you'll find many on here claiming there is no advantage, just that it's not as great as h&a and weeks 1-3.

 

[skipper kelly]

I don't think you'll find many on here claiming there is no advantage, just that it's not as great as h&a and weeks 1-3.

I think you will. Have been down this rabbit hole before.

 

[doppleganger]

You can dress it up all you want but your link with the statistics that you used say the home side has a mid 50’s to 70% chance of winning. It’s an advantage. By your link it’s an advantage or are you saying your link is wrong.

It is an advantage when you have a crowd that is 90% in favour of the home team.

The advantage is amplified in a sport where the umpire decisions can have a bigger impact on scoring, hence soccer and basketball.

In the GF the crowd is not 90% in favour of anybody, so the capacity for crowd to influence the umpires is not there.

 

[Freomaniac]

Is this thread going to keep running until 2057?

Well... I am born in 1987. So I will be 70 if I manage to live that long. I am sure some random bitter person will bump this thread up.

 

[doppleganger]

The argument is that home ground advantage is real and the non-vic teams have a greater advantage throughout the year which benefits them making the finals. Then magically at the MCG on GF day there is no home ground advantage.

My argument is that the biggest factor of HGA is the impact a one sided crowd has on the referees.

Richmond v Giants PF, the crowd was 90% Richmond...when they are all yelling ‘ball’ as one it has an influence on umpires.

At the GF the crowd is going off tap for BOTH teams.

Any umpire bias and advantage from that is lost.

 

[Freomaniac]

So the team that kicked straight won?

yep Jst like the 2013 GF where your mob kicked 11.11.77 to Freos 8.14.62. Quite revolutionary.

 

[HPKS]

It is an advantage when you have a crowd that is 90% in favour of the home team.

The advantage is amplified in a sport where the umpire decisions can have a bigger impact on scoring, hence soccer and basketball.

In the GF the crowd is not 90% in favour of anybody, so the capacity for crowd to influence the umpires is not there.

Again I’m asking is your link wrong in that it shows mid 50’s to nearly 70% advantage if played on a sides home ground?

And taking into account your link does not provide any data on the AFL competition maybe you could show me a link in regards to home sides winning % over lets say 5-10 years against sides from interstate?

 

[doppleganger]

I don't think you'll find many on here claiming there is no advantage, just that it's not as great as h&a and weeks 1-3.

Yep.

Punting models tend to award 9 points as the advantage of playing a non state team at your home ground during H&A.

For a GF they had watered this down or completely ignored it...as it isn’t a ‘home’ game where they enjoy 90% crowd support.

 

[blue harvest]

Again I’m asking is your link wrong in that it shows mid 50’s to nearly 70% advantage if played on a sides home ground?

And taking into account your link does not provide any data on the AFL competition maybe you could show me a link in regards to home sides winning % over lets say 5-10 years against sides from interstate?

Since the AFL began Vic side/interstate side winning percentage against each other is exactly 50/50 in GFs, it's 8 games a piece.
This supports what the poster is saying, the normal factors are somewhat reduced in the GF compared with the rest of the year.

 

[doppleganger]

Again I’m asking is your link wrong in that it shows mid 50’s to nearly 70% advantage if played on a sides home ground?

And taking into account your link does not provide any data on the AFL competition maybe you could show me a link in regards to home sides winning % over lets say 5-10 years against sides from interstate?

If you bothered to read the piece, nobody is disputing that playing a home game with 90% of the crowd is an advantage.

What produces the advantage

Fan impact on players is myth, players execute penalties and free throws just as well away as home.

Travel is a myth, home advantage exists between teams that share cities.

Field conditions is a myth

Scheduling rigour does favour home teams, but this is for US sports where they away tends more often play in consecutive nights.

The biggest factor is the influence the crowd has on the umpires. More penalties are awarded to home teams, more fouls call for home teams.

AFL this is similar, the home team does get the run of the green with umpriring decisions.

But a GF isn’t the same 90% crowd in favour of one team.

 

[HPKS]

Since the AFL began Vic side/interstate side winning percentage against each other is exactly 50/50 in GFs, it's 8 games a piece.
This supports what the poster is saying, the normal factors are somewhat reduced in the GF compared with the rest of the year.

I asked for a link for the last 5-10 years not when the game was a semi amateur sport. Could you provide some data?

 

[HPKS]

If you bothered to read the piece, nobody is disputing that playing a home game with 90% of the crowd is an advantage.

What produces the advantage

Fan impact on players is myth, players execute penalties and free throws just as well away as home.

Travel is a myth, home advantage exists between teams that share cities.

Field conditions is a myth

Scheduling rigour does favour home teams, but this is for US sports where they away tends more often play in consecutive nights.

The biggest factor is the influence the crowd has on the umpires. More penalties are awarded to home teams, more fouls call for home teams.

AFL this is similar, the home team does get the run of the green with umpriring decisions.

But a GF isn’t the same 90% crowd in favour of one team.

I read it. And I’ll repeat it. There’s an advantage and atleast you admitted there was one. Should the premier game of the year decide the best side by giving another side a possible advantage depending on who they play until 2057? Because it sounds laughable in 2018 that a possibility like this could even exist.

It’s one of the reasons I laugh my ass off about the so called elite game of Australian Rules football.

 

[Farang83150]

Shit marketing job. Surely that white area could have included a pic of the moment Jack Darling shat himself on the big stage spilling that easiest of marks?

Or maybe leave that for the toilet roll version.

Lol...have you forgotten who you support

 

[blue harvest]

I asked for a link for the last 5-10 years not when the game was a semi amateur sport. Could you provide some data?

Only want to count the last 10 years because before that 'the game was a semi amateur sport'.
No other reasons I can think of.

 

[skipper kelly]

My argument is that the biggest factor of HGA is the impact a one sided crowd has on the referees.

Richmond v Giants PF, the crowd was 90% Richmond...when they are all yelling ‘ball’ as one it has an influence on umpires.

At the GF the crowd is going off tap for BOTH teams.

Any umpire bias and advantage from that is lost.

I understand using one analysis and running with it to try and prove the truth. This is where I believe that argument is failing. There are many studies about the impacts of travel in sport. Your argument discards these studies based on an analysis of numbers. Using studies based on statistical significance of numbers is not the best way to measure physiological impacts of travel, climate, noise, living conditions, playing conditions etc.

But if it is agreed that the biggest factor is noise on umpires, this doesn't mean that other smaller factors have no impact. Combining those smaller factors may be significant. How to measure all these variables and come up with the truth is impossible.

So for me it comes down to the pub test. If you had to choose whether to play a game in home your home state or interstate which one would you choose. You cannot choose both or say it doesn't matter, you must make a choice.

Home advantage is only one aspect of this decision.

Other factors may include finance, crowd capacity, fairness for non victorian supporters, impacts on growth markets etc.

 

[HPKS]

Only want to count the last 10 years because before that 'the game was a semi amateur sport'.
No other reasons I can think of.

because you would go on recent data if you were trying to analyse anything weather that be petrol prices or airline baggage handling performances or bank profits. You wouldn’t go to your boss with data that’s over ten years old. You definitely wouldn’t be looking at something from 25 years ago.