McKinley Exploring His Options

[TOA.]

If we lose him I'll ****ing cut sick.

The bloke is a star waiting to be born. The match committee wont let him settle and my god he will sting us if he leaves.

The bigger issue is that we wouldnt get value for him if he was to leave. Talk of first rounders is ludicrous. We would do very well to get a second rounder which is a massive loss for us.

 

[TOA.]

Is anyone sure he is actually contracted for next year?

I know he signed a deal last year but I've got a vague fear it may have only been a 1yr deal ?

 

[Prem87]

Think it was a 2 year deal.

He will be a star at another team, we cant lose another gun medium forward.

 

[larrikin]

Colin Young is a twat

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[imright]

he's not a very well liked bloke at the club by the players thinks he''s better then what he is he doesnt want to stay at west coast..

How would you know that?

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

I believe that McKinley is contracted for 2010, so he can't walk this off season for nothing.

I wouldn't trade him for Leroy Jetta though - he's not half the player McKinley is.

 

[lewigie]

I do not want Leroy jetta.

Can he even get a game at Essendon?

 

[ITS ME]

Colin Young up to his old tricks again. Same singer different band if you ask me. I say call his bluff and trade macca to anyone for best pick available , see if he is so smug next time a player comes out of contract. These guys are on good money if they dont want to play for reasonable coin i say see you later.

Whats the difference between a duck and colin young. No matter how hard ya try ya wont get young to stick his bill up his ass

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Just trade him. Say Carlton want him.

Carlton finnish 6th, We finnish 12th Melbourne gets a PP.

Pick 11, 28 for McKinley, Staker and pick 22.

Hawthorn finish 8th.

And Trade pick 26 for Seaby.

We get picks 6, 12, 26, 28, 38.

Imagin if Mitch Duncan was available at pick 12, we need classy guys like him.

 

[zero]

If we lose him I'll ****ing cut sick.

The bloke is a star waiting to be born. The match committee wont let him settle and my god he will sting us if he leaves.

The bigger issue is that we wouldnt get value for him if he was to leave. Talk of first rounders is ludicrous. We would do very well to get a second rounder which is a massive loss for us.

i totally agree.

because he has struggled a bit this year (in his second year FFS) and he wasnt a high draft pick so we wont get what he is worth. i honestly think he is going to be a gun forward in the 60 goal a year range when he actually matures (hes played 30 odd games FFS!) and i think he is worth a late first rounder, but there is just no way we are going to get that, not unless there are three clubs in a bidding war.

 

[Crimson King]

Yep, I agree with TOA and zero. I can see him being a 45+ goals player when we will be up and going. We need a good mix of goal kickers and not just one guy kicking huge bags (which isnt a problem ofcourse if we keep winning )

McKinley - 45+ goals
Lecca - 45+ goals
Kennedy - 45+ goals

And that's without Notte/Wilson.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

McKinley plays as a natural full forward, short leads deep in the goal square he reads the play pretty well. Perhaps we should park him at FF and bring in Tony Notte, he can work up the ground and act as a second tall option behind Kennedy.

No reason in having two very non mobile forwards in McKinley and Wilson/ Lynch.

 

[WCE57]

i totally agree.

because he has struggled a bit this year (in his second year FFS) and he wasnt a high draft pick so we wont get what he is worth. i honestly think he is going to be a gun forward in the 60 goal a year range when he actually matures (hes played 30 odd games FFS!) and i think he is worth a late first rounder, but there is just no way we are going to get that, not unless there are three clubs in a bidding war.

No it isn't. Was recruited in 2005, the same draft as Hurn.

Personally, in two minds about him leaving. Everything you heard from him about is, how much he wants to a one-club player. So I'm little suprised about this talk.

 

[bigburger]

Please please please god trade him while we can still get something good for him. He is useless imo. Offers nothing defensively, is slack and all his goals are generally gifts. I know thats harsh but I guarentee within two years his AFL career will be on a fast track to coming to an end. He is probably the easiest match up for the oppositions defensive coach each week and this has been telling to his career this year. If we can get a top 20 pick for him he should be shoved out the door imo.

 

[Mundy]

The point i want to make about this is that the eagles need to show a bit of foresight this time. We don't want another Mitch Morton scenario unfolding. McKinley is a class player, as is and was Morton, and we don't want him walking out the door for nothing. .

Now, Im quite sure Morton was warned on numerous occasions that football is about two way running. Morton got pissed, hated being told the truth, that he was a front runner, cracked the shits and told the club he didnt want to play there.

Think you blokes got pick 30 for him, he went to Richmond who have a shit culture, he fits right in.

The one thing I envy about West Coast, and it's the only thing, is the work ethic on the field, that seems to be instilled by the coaching staff.

Mckinely is just like Morton, oodles of talent, but if the ball doesnt come to him he wont chase. The call to palm him off, and it will come if he doesnt turn things around, will be done without West Coast blinking.

Talent gets you so far.

 

[drexel]

Yep, trade him for best offer. Reminds me of a Haynes or Edwards. Not even a Donnelly level. When a player looks likes its a burden to do the hard yards then you know its gonna be a struggle.

Another reason that shows generally, Victorians don't work out in WA unless they are ultra=professional ala Braun/Judd or honorable by nature like Wirrapunda. Mckinley is neither.

HIs role would be much better filled by a speedy crumber so we should cash in if we can... even if we can't, trade anyway.

 

[saxymaxy]

if we were to trade him i think he'd fit in perfectly with carlton so a Mckinley - pick 26 trade seems reasonable for me.

then we can get lucas at 6
colyer at 22
jetta at 26
and hopefully somehow pick up fyfe as well

 

[15_year_member]

Now, Im quite sure Morton was warned on numerous occasions that football is about two way running. Morton got pissed, hated being told the truth, that he was a front runner, cracked the shits and told the club he didnt want to play there.

Think you blokes got pick 30 for him, he went to Richmond who have a shit culture, he fits right in.

The one thing I envy about West Coast, and it's the only thing, is the work ethic on the field, that seems to be instilled by the coaching staff.

Mckinely is just like Morton, oodles of talent, but if the ball doesnt come to him he wont chase. The call to palm him off, and it will come if he doesnt turn things around, will be done without West Coast blinking.

Talent gets you so far.

We didn't even get a pick for Morton. We got a pick upgraded by a couple of spots. Not much. He is their leading goalkicker this year.

If Morton had the wrong attitude why didn't we trade him while he was under contract then when we could have gotten something for him? Why wait untill your bargaining power has completely vanished and you get peanuts? The same will happen with Mckinley if he gets 12 games next year. The Melbourne clubs will be in his ear all year, as they were to Morton, sweet talking him and offering him bigger money and longer contracts and blowing kisses at him. He will definately leave in that scenario in my opinion. The bloke is trying to have a career and would be a regular player at many other clubs. Why would you hang around to have your career stagnate in the WAFL and earn less money?

Colin Young does talk s*** but i am sure if he has been soliciting offers that there are clubs who would offer McKinley 3 year deals on better money.

 

[Mundy]

We didn't even get a pick for Morton. We got a pick upgraded by a couple of spots. Not much. He is their leading goalkicker this year.

Really? Could have sworn you got a 2nd round pick for him.

If Morton had the wrong attitude why didn't we trade him while he was under contract then when we could have gotten something for him? Why wait untill your bargaining power has completely vanished and you get peanuts? The same will happen with Mckinley if he gets 12 games next year.

This is irrelevant. Im almost positive you got a 2nd round pick out of him.

The Melbourne clubs will be in his ear all year, as they were to Morton, sweet talking him and offering him bigger money and longer contracts and blowing kisses at him. He will definately leave in that scenario in my opinion. The bloke is trying to have a career and would be a regular player at many other clubs. Why would you hang around to have your career stagnate in the WAFL and earn less money?

Pride, hard work, a sense of achievement?

These qualities that are admirable. Things that are valued by West Coast IMO. If he wants the easy option, Im sure West Coast will help on his way. Carlton seems like a good fit.

Colin Young does talk s*** but i am sure if he has been soliciting offers that there are clubs who would offer McKinley 3 year deals on better money.

If he's money driven, he'll almost certainly be shown the door. Fact is, Mckinley needs to earn his spot, learn how to run the other way and maybe then he'll get the extra zero's on his pay cheque.

At the moment he is the player opposition coaches direct their counter attack through, knowing he'll only chase when he wants to.

 

[The Passenger]

I wouldn't be opposed to trading him off for a decent pick. we'd probably be able to get something in the mid teens. no chance we could get a single digit pick for him.

He's got the talent, but as i've said nuumerous times, he's just too easy for opposition's too stop. Unfortunately for him he's only 184cm - not too many guys have made a name for thesmelves as key position players at that height.

 

[purple hater]

We didn't even get a pick for Morton. We got a pick upgraded by a couple of spots. Not much. He is their leading goalkicker this year.

If Morton had the wrong attitude why didn't we trade him while he was under contract then when we could have gotten something for him? Why wait untill your bargaining power has completely vanished and you get peanuts? The same will happen with Mckinley if he gets 12 games next year. The Melbourne clubs will be in his ear all year, as they were to Morton, sweet talking him and offering him bigger money and longer contracts and blowing kisses at him. He will definately leave in that scenario in my opinion. The bloke is trying to have a career and would be a regular player at many other clubs. Why would you hang around to have your career stagnate in the WAFL and earn less money?

Colin Young does talk s*** but i am sure if he has been soliciting offers that there are clubs who would offer McKinley 3 year deals on better money.

The point is we dont want players like Morton who have an over inflated sense of their own worth. West Coast would have re-signed him, but he cracked the shits and thought he could be a star somewhere else. I heard Micale make some comments once about how the Eagles were trying to teach him important football lessons at WAFL level, and that he would have been given his chance had he not decided he was better off else where. The inference was, he didn't want to learn the lesson being offered to him.

All I ever saw in Morton was a lazy show pony, who was happy to do the specy stuff, but when it came to doing the team thing or working hard in anyway, he went missing. I was glad he went, and am still glad he is gone. Let him have his five goal hauls for a bottom four side for the rest of his career, clearly thats what it is all about to him.

McKinley needs to learn similar lessons on work rate and positioning. If he wants to learn I hope he stays and becomes a star. If he thinks he already is a star, well he is better off somewhere else. (I think his work rate has improved this year BTW).

 

[15_year_member]

Really? Could have sworn you got a 2nd round pick for him.



This is irrelevant. Im almost positive you got a 2nd round pick out of him.



Pride, hard work, a sense of achievement?

These qualities that are admirable. Things that are valued by West Coast IMO. If he wants the easy option, Im sure West Coast will help on his way. Carlton seems like a good fit.



If he's money driven, he'll almost certainly be shown the door. Fact is, Mckinley needs to earn his spot, learn how to run the other way and maybe then he'll get the extra zero's on his pay cheque.

At the moment he is the player opposition coaches direct their counter attack through, knowing he'll only chase when he wants to.

Pretty sure we traded pick 30 or 35 or something like that and got a pick in the mid 20's in return for Morton.

I am not debating the merits of McKinley's game or arguing that he should or should not be picked. If the coaching staff share your view of McKinley thats fine and that means we should trade him. The point i am making is that if we keep him on the list and keep him on the fringes he will leave for nothing. So if we think that that is the direction things are going to go next year with McKinley based on how we view our list then we should trade him now and get something decent. And we would get something decent if we trade him while under contract. We need to show foresight and make a decision about where we see this going and act now accordingly.

Conversely, if we think he is easily in the best 22 and will get a regular game next year and there is a role for him then he needs to be told that and we should play him as much as possible and not have him feeling undervalued and disregarded and vulnerable to Melbourne clubs coming after him with a big cheque and load of sweet talk.

 

[15_year_member]

The point is we dont want players like Morton who have an over inflated sense of their own worth. West Coast would have re-signed him, but he cracked the shits and thought he could be a star somewhere else. I heard Micale make some comments once about how the Eagles were trying to teach him important football lessons at WAFL level, and that he would have been given his chance had he not decided he was better off else where. The inference was, he didn't want to learn the lesson being offered to him.

All I ever saw in Morton was a lazy show pony, who was happy to do the specy stuff, but when it came to doing the team thing or working hard in anyway, he went missing. I was glad he went, and am still glad he is gone. Let him have his five goal hauls for a bottom four side for the rest of his career, clearly thats what it is all about to him.

McKinley needs to learn similar lessons on work rate and positioning. If he wants to learn I hope he stays and becomes a star. If he thinks he already is a star, well he is better off somewhere else. (I think his work rate has improved this year BTW).

Thats fine if that is the truth and that was the coaching staffs view. The point is, whether he was a w***er or not, Morton was a valuable asset on our playing list and we lost him for nothing as our relationship with him soured and we didn't trade him while we could. If Morton was such a bad apple we should have traded him while he was under contract, not wait for him to leave for next to nothing.

Players are assets. Even if they w***ers. You must protect the value of your assets. If there is a strong chance you are going to lose the asset for nothing in the near future then sell it while you can.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I look at McKinley based on his attributes, he might currently be best 22 but we are a bottom eight side and that means everyone needs to be looked at. McKinley is undersized as far as KPD's go and given his complete lack of leg speed and agility he plays like one, hes got a decent leap and strong hands and is one of our better kicks at goals.

If we where offered a second round draft pick i could simply not refuse the offer. Being defensive and not getting the pick could be expensive, if we can target a player within the draft that we feel has the potential to do more than McKinley in our premiership window then we should trade for the pick. Fyfe is a great example, far better attributes than McKinley and he would be ready to have an impact in a couple of years time, hes got the potential to really be a elite AFL player and totally break games open, all we would have to do is do a trade to get a second round pick.

People are talking like McKinley is going to bag five goals, he is a lead up forward that takes his chances. Generally those chances are gimmes, we need players that create play, do the impossible and give us an advantage of oppositions sides, while McKinley is a decent players he's not what i want going forward.

 

[15_year_member]

I look at McKinley based on his attributes, he might currently be best 22 but we are a bottom eight side and that means everyone needs to be looked at. McKinley is undersized as far as KPD's go and given his complete lack of leg speed and agility he plays like one, hes got a decent leap and strong hands and is one of our better kicks at goals.

If we where offered a second round draft pick i could simply not refuse the offer. Being defensive and not getting the pick could be expensive, if we can target a player within the draft that we feel has the potential to do more than McKinley in our premiership window then we should trade for the pick. Fyfe is a great example, far better attributes than McKinley and he would be ready to have an impact in a couple of years time, hes got the potential to really be a elite AFL player and totally break games open, all we would have to do is do a trade to get a second round pick.

People are talking like McKinley is going to bag five goals, he is a lead up forward that takes his chances. Generally those chances are gimmes, we need players that create play, do the impossible and give us an advantage of oppositions sides, while McKinley is a decent players he's not what i want going forward.

If you made the decision to sell him then you would just have to take the best price offered but it would be disappointing to get anything worse than a mid 2nd round pick for him, if we went for a draft pick.

I think at the moment that with clubs over valueing draft picks at trade week we may be better off looking to trade for a player if we do trades. We don't need more youth unless it's top drawer and i think far more value could be had in trading for a player. We still desperately need a crumber.

It's also pretty speculative to be saying what players will still be left in the draft in the 2nd round and basing trade decisions on that. Fyfe could well go in the first round for all anyone knows.