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Bunk Moreland said:
The Lindt bomber / Brighton shooter / Bourke St driver / this Flinders St driver...

They were all the same. As soon as it happens people and the media go running around looking for the “terrorist” links, their history, blah blah blah, all that bullshit.

None of them were terrorists. None of them had anything to do with some rogue group of animals in the Middle East. They may claim it because they’ve seen it on TV to try to add some sort of significance to their pathetic excuse for an existence.

They’re just drug addicted criminals. That’s it. If anything needs to be “fought”, it’s that.
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It would be strange for the wannabe terrorists reading social media and knowing they have a local cheer squad no matter how diabolical their crimes. Some of it verges on encouragement where lashing out is justified.

It takes another level of bad seed to crave such terror/attention and denying its links doesn't help solve the problem. It may just be 'news' to you, but to the victims and society it's a lot more damaging. Pretending it's not happening may not help prevent the next extremist from seeking out mass casualties.
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
So did John Bunting, Martin Bryant and Ivan Milat
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Were they all giving praise to God while killing people?

Only one religion seems to do that with any sort of regularity.

Almost to the point where it should be banned on mental health grounds. I mean, if a drug made so many people go crazy it would be banned, right?
 
HairyO said:
Were they all giving praise to God while killing people?

Only one religion seems to do that with any sort of regularity.

Almost to the point where it should be banned on mental health grounds. I mean, if a drug made so many people go crazy it would be banned, right?
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There's a load of places on the SRP board where you can go and drop your less the subtle hints that this is all the fault of Islam. Go do it there.
 
HairyO said:
Plus, someone seems to have removed entire sections, so its hard to know where to post...
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That's simply not true. I've just checked this entire thread, five posts have been deleted, two by mods, three by the poster's who posted them.
 
HairyO said:
Were they all giving praise to God while killing people?

Only one religion seems to do that with any sort of regularity.

Almost to the point where it should be banned on mental health grounds. I mean, if a drug made so many people go crazy it would be banned, right?
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None of them were members of ISIS or any other terrorist organisation. None of them had any contact with them whatsoever.

None of them were even religious. They were junkie criminals, some of whom decided to claim some sort of bullshit “religious war” to garner attention or feel like they were something more than own their pathetic existence. Their crimes were just baseless, copycat acts.

The Islam thing is a ruse, in this country. People get hooked on it as a “reason” and the media froth themselves because fear sells and they can paint the picture of ISIS sleeper cells in our suburbs.

The problem is violent crime and the parole system. Forget this Islam bullshit.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
The Islam thing is a ruse, in this country. People get hooked on it as a “reason” and the media froth themselves because fear sells and they can paint the picture of ISIS sleeper cells in our suburbs.

The problem is violent crime and the parole system. Forget this Islam bullshit.
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Rightly we don't trust the press or our politicians, both who have been caught exploiting the terror angle for clicks and votes but my experience is that ISIS is here and has been for some time. Don't believe me though, for an idea on fundy numbers, look to the Sydney protest and those who were holding signs "Behead All Those Who Insult The Prophet" and the people who walked beside them heading towards the embassy. Some of those there ended up in Syria, some of them have come back.

I don't think denial's helpful to anyone, Muslims minding their own business trying to go about their lives peacefully included. I also think playing politics with it in ill formed alliances lacking shared principles is unconstructive.
 
shellyg said:
Rightly we don't trust the press or our politicians, both who have been caught exploiting the terror angle for clicks and votes but my experience is that ISIS is here and has been for some time. Don't believe me though, for an idea on fundy numbers, look to the Sydney protest and those who were holding signs "Behead All Those Who Insult The Prophet" and the people who walked beside them heading towards the embassy. Some of those there ended up in Syria, some of them have come back.

I don't think denial's helpful to anyone, Muslims minding their own business trying to go about their lives peacefully included. I also think playing politics with it in ill formed alliances lacking shared principles is unconstructive.
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Yep, fair enough, I accept that.

These lone ****wits though, simply committing violent crimes - often copycat crimes - and then saying “Islam! Jihad!” despite not being “freedom fighters” or “radicals”... often not even even being religious ffs. Just attaching themselves to this rubbish in an attempt to delude themselves there’s a meaning to their drug-****ed, violent crime.

This is a problem - a problem of violent crime (often drug fuelled) that is on the rise in an increasingly divided society. But it’s not “terrorism” (in the modern sense of the word) and the constant talk that is simply distracts from the real issues and hence probably contributes to it continuing.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...aeed-noori-may-be-unfit-for-trial-lawyers-say
Magistrate John Hardy noted Noori was withdrawing from drug addiction and that he may have psychiatric and other illnesses and was taking medication for mental health issues. “It’s important that you continue to take your medications,” Hardy said.

Hardy also ordered Noori be seen by Forensicare as soon as possible. “They can only see you if you let them,” he said. “That’s your choice but I ask you to do that. Do you understand that?”

Noori replied quietly: “Yes, your honour”.
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So all those people desperate for this to be an ideologically driven act now know better than his honour in this case.
 
Gough said:
So you're suggesting the courts are attempting to cover up the real intent behind this incident?
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Well the toxicology report is obviously clean. So they have gone with the withdrawal story, as this can't be either verified or nullified with any data.
 

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strung_out7 said:
Well the toxicology report is obviously clean. So they have gone with the withdrawal story, as this can't be either verified or nullified with any data.
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You're seriously suggesting the criminal justice system is part of a wider conspiracy in covering up that this is an ISIS inspired attack? You can say it you know, stop implying shit.
 
Gough said:
You're seriously suggesting the criminal justice system is part of a wider conspiracy in covering up that this is an ISIS inspired attack? You can say it you know, stop implying shit.
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So where's the data of drug use? Firstly the story was that he was known to police. He had misdemeanours, which from the article I saw, totalled a significant fine. Now how do you get off paying a fine? Maybe claim mental instability, or a drug problem, because as we know, no one is responsible for their actions anymore.
 
strung_out7 said:
So where's the data of drug use? Firstly the story was that he was known to police. He had misdemeanours, which from the article I saw, totalled a significant fine. Now how do you get off paying a fine? Maybe claim mental instability, or a drug problem, because as we know, no one is responsible for their actions anymore.
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I don't know, I assume that'll be entered into evidence at a later date but I doubt that you'd find the Magistrate would have just accepted the defence unquestioningly.
 
Gough said:
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...aeed-noori-may-be-unfit-for-trial-lawyers-say

So all those people desperate for this to be an ideologically driven act now know better than his honour in this case.
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because magistrates/judges have proven time and time again that they are completely in touch with the man in the street and general prevailing expectations in society.
those ****ers, along with defence lawyers, are some of the biggest scourges in our society. all they are worried about is historical sentencing and covering their own arses,
 
Crash Davis said:
because magistrates/judges have proven time and time again that they are completely in touch with the man in the street and general prevailing expectations in society.
those ******s, along with defence lawyers, are some of the biggest scourges in our society. all they are worried about is historical sentencing and covering their own arses,
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Tying a drug driving charge in with attempted murder charges carrying the heaviest penalty, from view of the prosecution is probably not a good move.

Edit. But I agree we could probably be told results of a tox screen for the illicit stuff
 
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