Message from a Flower Sniffing, Hippy apologist!

[This Is Anfield]

How many top picks did these clubs have before or during this? Our problem was that we were improving slowly, so not getting the best picks like Melb, didn't lose anyone and get compensated for it (Scully for example), no father sons like the Bullies (Wallis and Libba were 2 good gets) and with precious little quality cattle to trade. If we spend as much time at the very bottom as Melb did, we will eventually beat someone by a point despite them having killed us in virtually every stat and people could laud us as improving like you have done!

Dogs have been almost as disappointing as us this year.... they were meant to rise and haven't. They have quality players in their squad, Cooney, Griffen etc (who have played many big finals) but have really struggled to put it together since.

Melbourne have had 34 wins since 2006 (not counting this season). That has given them top draft picks prior to the compromised drafts and since.

Crap as we are, we've had 48 wins and some draws, without some of the above luxuries the others had and an upward trend until this year. The AFL haven't seen fit to give us millions of dollars to boost our coaching and development staff, despite finding that we were tanking and we've had to pull ourselves out of debt...

Port were down the bottom for 2 minutes, traded well, decided that the favourite son might not have been the best coach and got lucky with a coaching appointment (nobody wanted to coach Port and Hinkley got it by default) and made a coup with Burgess. Got a player that wanted to come home in Polec, top draft picks like Hartlett finally showed something, picked up Wines, Wingard kept their main guns in Boak, Trengrove, Kane Cornes etc and got quality in for Burgoyne, Chaplin etc. They've done well but it is an exception rather than a rule of how things go....

We have work to do but it was unlikely to be linear improvement forever. If it continues to be terrible next year then yeah, change a bunch of stuff but for now, I'd just be concentrating on getting rid of some players and bringing some quality youth and experience in.

For me:

Out: TV/Griff (need at least one of them on the list and we'll get better trade value for TV IMO), King, Newy, A.Edwards, Orren (ret), Hampson (delist - but will leave us very ruck poor so can understand him staying for 2015 as reserve ruck only), Helbig/O'Hanlon (let them fight for it), Knights (too injury prone), Thomas (limited with the pace of AFL now - happy to re-rookie)

In: Miles (elevate), 1st rounder, 2nd rounder X 2 (get at least this for TV, hopefully higher, or 2nd rounder + player - someone we need, like a crumbing forward, hit up forward), experience gun, throw the cash book around, 3rd rounder. Maybe even target a Luke Lowden type ruckman to develop/play. Anyone other than Hampson.

Probably haven't got my sums right but something along these lines for 2015. Further cuts of 6-8 the year after including Foley (unless we get a good deal for him this year), Helbig/O'Hanlon, Hampson definitely, Grigg, Gordon (if he hasn't made it), Batch if he hasn't made it....

Clear out the rookie list: Bye bye Todd Banfield, need state league ruckman here at least

*****me, wish I'd written that.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

First 8 weeks of the season we were missing at various stages and at times all together Maric Deledio Rance & Jackson through injury and had Cotchin suffer and injury but keep playing. Only fools would suggest that missing those key players isn't a reason why we find ourselves in the position we're in.

Lost round 1 with Lids and Rance in the side RT , capitulated in the second quarter of the Carlton game with Lids the side setting the tone for the first half of the Doggies game.

Missed Maric certainly but could not possibly be the players fault that the footy department saw fit to replace him with Hampson.

If Hardwick couldn't develop a single player on our list to cover while Jackson missed 3 games then I think he should resign himself and call it a day.

The excuses on this board are endless. Non of the teams that played finals footy with us last year use a few scattered injuries as excuses , not even Carlton who have missed Judd and Carrazzo for the bull of the year . The Mindset of the average Richmond supporter is embarrassing at times.

The games we lost against The Western Bulldogs , Melbourne , North and Essendon where all winnable games this year if players had of been selected on form regardless of scattered injuries.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

*****me, wish I'd written that.

How many top picks have Sydney had ? how
Many have Hawthorn and Geelong had ? The mindset of some Richmond supporters is embarrassing at times

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

These players must be made of marshmallow's. Do they need a cuddle? They need to harden the hell up and work their arses off. At least they'll be back in October this year....

One of the fundamental reasons our players do have their soft moments is because the coach and supporters make so many lame excuses for this club to fail that he rots their brains .
" we are fine , we have just got to get our game up and running and get back to playing the football we know we can , I'm confident we'll turn it around soon"

 

[This Is Anfield]

How many top picks have Sydney had ? how
Many have Hawthorn and Geelong had ? The mindset of some Richmond supporters is embarrassing at times

Congratulations, think that is the first post were you haven't blamed Hampson.
When DH took over are you really suggesting that Richmond were in the same ball park or universe as Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney?

 

[Ralll]

First 8 weeks of the season we were missing at various stages and at times all together Maric Deledio Rance & Jackson through injury and had Cotchin suffer and injury but keep playing. Only fools would suggest that missing those key players isn't a reason why we find ourselves in the position we're in.

We're in a complete circle now so I will just quote myself

The 'reasons' (lol) for finishing further down the ladder were injuries to particular players, not a lack of effort from the bulk of the players themselves.
We're 3-9 off the spoon by percentage...not 5-7 with injuries but still playing with great heart.
My whole theory as to why we started so badly is based on attitude (rather than fitness/injuries), and it was/is across the bulk of the playing group.

 

[_RT_]

Lost round 1 with Lids and Rance in the side RT , capitulated in the second quarter of the Carlton game with Lids the side setting the tone for the first half of the Doggies game.

Missed Maric certainly but could not possibly be the players fault that the footy department saw fit to replace him with Hampson.

If Hardwick couldn't develop a single player on our list to cover while Jackson missed 3 games then I think he should resign himself and call it a day.

The excuses on this board are endless. Non of the teams that played finals footy with us last year use a few scattered injuries as excuses , not even Carlton who have missed Judd and Carrazzo for the bull of the year . The Mindset of the average Richmond supporter is embarrassing at times.

The games we lost against The Western Bulldogs , Melbourne , North and Essendon where all winnable games this year if players had of been selected on form regardless of scattered injuries.

Well aware that we've lost a couple of those game with some and all of them in the side. But as I said when you're carrying an injury or coming off an injury interrupted preseason it doesn't matter how good a player you are you're just not going to be able to play at the level that you normally play at. As for other clubs not using injuries as a reason/excuse, well that is crap, they all use injury as a reason/excuse in one way or another. As I type this I'm sitting here watching Roughead talk and he said that barring injuries the Hawks are looking forward to having good run into September. Everyone knows that injuries affect how the side performs either directly or indirectly.

As I said before Maric goes out means Hampson rucks with support from Griffiths/Vickery. Jackson out means guys like Ellis/Conca are asked to do run with roles. Deledio missing means that Martin gets sat on more, means Conca/Ellis when not tagging themselves are sat on. Rance out means that Grimes is asked to play his role and Grimes is not the rebounding defender that Rance is. You talk about the North game being one we should have one, but with no Grigg Conca Jackson & Grimes in the side we run out of legs through the midfield as we have 3 of our best runners missing and we have no other option to swing onto Petrie when he gets going. But yeah you're right injuries aren't a reason/excuse, in fact all 44 players we have on our list should be the same quality as Cotchin Deledio Martin Riewoldt & Maric, even if they are first/second year players or ones that are in the last throws of their careers.

 

[nut]

Congratulations, think that is the first post were you haven't blamed Hampson.
When DH took over are you really suggesting that Richmond were in the same ball park or universe as Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney?

well those sides dont waste a second rounder on a back up ruckman.....

 

[nut]

Well aware that we've lost a couple of those game with some and all of them in the side. But as I said when you're carrying an injury or coming off an injury interrupted preseason it doesn't matter how good a player you are you're just not going to be able to play at the level that you normally play at. As for other clubs not using injuries as a reason/excuse, well that is crap, they all use injury as a reason/excuse in one way or another. As I type this I'm sitting here watching Roughead talk and he said that barring injuries the Hawks are looking forward to having good run into September. Everyone knows that injuries affect how the side performs either directly or indirectly.

As I said before Maric goes out means Hampson rucks with support from Griffiths/Vickery. Jackson out means guys like Ellis/Conca are asked to do run with roles. Deledio missing means that Martin gets sat on more, means Conca/Ellis when not tagging themselves are sat on. Rance out means that Grimes is asked to play his role and Grimes is not the rebounding defender that Rance is. You talk about the North game being one we should have one, but with no Grigg Conca Jackson & Grimes in the side we run out of legs through the midfield as we have 3 of our best runners missing and we have no other option to swing onto Petrie when he gets going. But yeah you're right injuries aren't a reason/excuse, in fact all 44 players we have on our list should be the same quality as Cotchin Deledio Martin Riewoldt & Maric, even if they are first/second year players or ones that are in the last throws of their careers.

Sounds like a Dimma presser....

 

[partycorolla]

Lost round 1 with Lids and Rance in the side RT , capitulated in the second quarter of the Carlton game with Lids the side setting the tone for the first half of the Doggies game.

Missed Maric certainly but could not possibly be the players fault that the footy department saw fit to replace him with Hampson.

If Hardwick couldn't develop a single player on our list to cover while Jackson missed 3 games then I think he should resign himself and call it a day.

The excuses on this board are endless. Non of the teams that played finals footy with us last year use a few scattered injuries as excuses , not even Carlton who have missed Judd and Carrazzo for the bull of the year . The Mindset of the average Richmond supporter is embarrassing at times.

The games we lost against The Western Bulldogs , Melbourne , North and Essendon where all winnable games this year if players had of been selected on form regardless of scattered injuries.

Need to spend more time talking to supporters.... plenty of them blaming this exact thing amongst others!

We lost games though more due to form than personnel IMO.... so many players playing at a level well below their best for a myriad of reasons....

 

[partycorolla]

One of the fundamental reasons our players do have their soft moments is because the coach and supporters make so many lame excuses for this club to fail that he rots their brains .
" we are fine , we have just got to get our game up and running and get back to playing the football we know we can , I'm confident we'll turn it around soon"

Don't think for a minute that what is said in the press is necessarily echoed in the confines of team meetings. A coach needs to strike a balance between demanding certain standards, educating players on their mistakes, keeping their confidence up and berating them publicly and telling them that they suck. He's presenting something in public but he'd be a fair bit more intense at training and in-house you'd suspect.... He did say that we are a very mediocre football team the other day, a very mediocre. He repeated it too.... that's not really an excuse or pumping up players tyres is it?

It's easy for people in the stands or on forums to say stuff like 'Hampson is crap, he can't kick, mark or even handball. He leaves us 1 short whenever he isn't in the centre bounce but still on the ground', which incidentallyI believe, and a coach to say that to him. Very few people in football have or will come out and say something like 'Look, Hampson has been completely crap basically since we recruited him. We can't believe we wasted a pick on him like we did and as soon as we possibly can, we'll be delisting him and playing anyone we can find to replace him'. Blight once called Pittman pathetic and it was a huge story. Doesn't mean those conversations aren't happening behind closed doors between the list management peeps.

In the meantime, while they work out the cost of fixing the error, they can't cut him lose mid-season (I don't mean dropped, I mean publicly outing him and telling him he's got no future at the cub etc) because quite simply we may need him to play games this year and depending on the setup of his contract, we may have to pay him and keep him next year. If TV hadn't shown some dumb physicality against Nth, he'd be in the side instead of Hampson. Likewise if Griff had got more than 2 kicks against North, he'd have been in. But no, those 2 played themselves out of the team, one is now injured and the other one will probably return next week to annoy us with glimpses again.... They are not making it super easy to get rid of Hampson from the team itself. I'd rather Orren than Hampson but I guess we'll see. We can't just go in with Maric because he can't ruck all game and who would be the relief? Chaplin? Rance? JR? Nope..... not going to happen this week.

It's frustrating to watch. I know. It's over for 2014..... just hope that our players stop being idiots for the rest of the year and that we can give some games to people (which goes against what we want, we should be picking the best 22 players week in, week out for mine) we need to find out about before culling time.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Need to spend more time talking to supporters.... plenty of them blaming this exact thing amongst others!

We lost games though more due to form than personnel IMO.... so many players playing at a level well below their best for a myriad of reasons....

Is like to know what these reasons are at least the guys on here pointing the finger at the coaching staff and recruiting staff are pointing out the mistakes they have made and continue to make while the guys supporting these mistakes and pointing the finger at the players haven't given any reasons as to why they've dropped away this year and as to why if they could compete at a certain level last year that we through them out and back Hardwick with a mini re build.
Our side is a top 8 side this year no doubt , there are so many clubs dropping off like Carlton and Essendon I'd like some logical discussion as to why it's the players fault.
Did they implement the re introduction of kicking the ball backwards and sideways at secret training sessions behind Hardwicks back?
Has Dustin Martin secretly wanted to play halfback against the suns on a greasy night when he could of been driving it out of the middle?
After 240 games down back is it a given that after one pre season Chris Newman could become a premier small forward in the comp ?
I'm sure Steve Morris hasn't been heading down the park on weekends practising his goal kicking behind Hardwicks back because he's always been a closet forward.

Give me some evidence guys

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Don't think for a minute that what is said in the press is necessarily echoed in the confines of team meetings. A coach needs to strike a balance between demanding certain standards, educating players on their mistakes, keeping their confidence up and berating them publicly and telling them that they suck. He's presenting something in public but he'd be a fair bit more intense at training and in-house you'd suspect.... He did say that we are a very mediocre football team the other day, a very mediocre. He repeated it too.... that's not really an excuse or pumping up players tyres is it?

It's easy for people in the stands or on forums to say stuff like 'Hampson is crap, he can't kick, mark or even handball. He leaves us 1 short whenever he isn't in the centre bounce but still on the ground', which incidentallyI believe, and a coach to say that to him. Very few people in football have or will come out and say something like 'Look, Hampson has been completely crap basically since we recruited him. We can't believe we wasted a pick on him like we did and as soon as we possibly can, we'll be delisting him and playing anyone we can find to replace him'. Blight once called Pittman pathetic and it was a huge story. Doesn't mean those conversations aren't happening behind closed doors between the list management peeps.

In the meantime, while they work out the cost of fixing the error, they can't cut him lose mid-season (I don't mean dropped, I mean publicly outing him and telling him he's got no future at the cub etc) because quite simply we may need him to play games this year and depending on the setup of his contract, we may have to pay him and keep him next year. If TV hadn't shown some dumb physicality against Nth, he'd be in the side instead of Hampson. Likewise if Griff had got more than 2 kicks against North, he'd have been in. But no, those 2 played themselves out of the team, one is now injured and the other one will probably return next week to annoy us with glimpses again.... They are not making it super easy to get rid of Hampson from the team itself. I'd rather Orren than Hampson but I guess we'll see. We can't just go in with Maric because he can't ruck all game and who would be the relief? Chaplin? Rance? JR? Nope..... not going to happen this week.

It's frustrating to watch. I know. It's over for 2014..... just hope that our players stop being idiots for the rest of the year and that we can give some games to people (which goes against what we want, we should be picking the best 22 players week in, week out for mine) we need to find out about before culling time.

Once again the players , Hardwicks statement about the team being mediocre came after round 9 , Ross Lyon hit his players between the eyes with the same statement after round 4 .
There's your difference, one does something before the problem gets too big and the other cups his players balls for another 5 rounds while he's scratching his head as to why they are playing like a bucket of shit mean while Hampson , Grigg and Chaplin don't even look like getting dropped.

It's all relative .

 

[partycorolla]

Is like to know what these reasons are at least the guys on here pointing the finger at the coaching staff and recruiting staff are pointing out the mistakes they have made and continue to make while the guys supporting these mistakes and pointing the finger at the players haven't given any reasons as to why they've dropped away this year and as to why if they could compete at a certain level last year that we through them out and back Hardwick with a mini re build.
Our side is a top 8 side this year no doubt , there are so many clubs dropping off like Carlton and Essendon I'd like some logical discussion as to why it's the players fault.
Did they implement the re introduction of kicking the ball backwards and sideways at secret training sessions behind Hardwicks back?
Has Dustin Martin secretly wanted to play halfback against the suns on a greasy night when he could of been driving it out of the middle?
After 240 games down back is it a given that after one pre season Chris Newman could become a premier small forward in the comp ?
I'm sure Steve Morris hasn't been heading down the park on weekends practising his goal kicking behind Hardwicks back because he's always been a closet forward.

Give me some evidence guys

It's hard to give evidence on things that can be intangible. The players may well have focused on being able to keep control of the ball in an effort to halt momentum going against us.... while not been coached to abandon their attacking flair, perhaps it was a byproduct of the focus on retention/defensive aspects of our game.

Grigg, Houli, Morris, Lids, Cotch, JR for large parts, Ellis, Chaplin have all been well below their good form over the last year or so (yes even Grigg has been better than he is this year!). There is no doubt that some coaching ideas have been failures, such as Dusty to hbf. Newman moved up the ground last year and this is a continuation in 2014. The fact he is slower and older has just exacerbated the problems. Good on the weekend though (finally). No doubt that if 10-12 of your best and 2nd tier players are not having an impact, your side is going to struggle. It's not solely the coaches fault, it's not solely the player's fault.... it's the whole football department's fault. Given that they have been cut a bit, maybe it's the board's fault as well. People need to have an understanding that there is no quick-fix, or one problem here, it's many and complex.

I'm glad they tried different things. If we just sat on our laurels having made finals and assumed that if we did everything exactly the same, natural improvement would just move us into the top 4 or a flag, we'd be kidding ourselves. Good teams are constantly looking for ways to improve. Tiger Woods completely redesigned his swing when he was world number 1. Complacency is an issue. Martin didn't work back there.... but maybe training with them helped.... he's having a career best season consistency-wise. Newy going forward actually highlights a crumbing forward/good footskilled hff problem.... we don't have any good ones. The Hampson move, well yeah, enough said about that one.

Now, having said that.... complacency has affected us off the ground. To not replace Leppa, Campbo etc is just poor judgment.... that's obvious now but there wasn't much said at the time. It's clear we need bolstering in the coaching ranks but for mine it's not with the head coach at this time. Many changes need to happen and I'm looking forward to the next 10 weeks and the off-season more than I did last year (not the 10 weeks bit more than last year!).

 

[partycorolla]

Once again the players , Hardwicks statement about the team being mediocre came after round 9 , Ross Lyon hit his players between the eyes with the same statement after round 4 .
There's your difference, one does something before the problem gets too big and the other cups his players balls for another 5 rounds while he's scratching his head as to why they are playing like a bucket of shit mean while Hampson , Grigg and Chaplin don't even look like getting dropped.

It's all relative .

The players should know, they shouldn't have to hear it....

Cupping balls? Being a little bit over the top there. Don't get too caught up in the notion that what is said in the media is what is said to the players, just doesn't happen the same way. Players can cop a spray and then the coach can come out and give excuses but the players still heard the spray...

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

It's hard to give evidence on things that can be intangible. The players may well have focused on being able to keep control of the ball in an effort to halt momentum going against us.... while not been coached to abandon their attacking flair, perhaps it was a byproduct of the focus on retention/defensive aspects of our game.

Grigg, Houli, Morris, Lids, Cotch, JR for large parts, Ellis, Chaplin have all been well below their good form over the last year or so (yes even Grigg has been better than he is this year!). There is no doubt that some coaching ideas have been failures, such as Dusty to hbf. Newman moved up the ground last year and this is a continuation in 2014. The fact he is slower and older has just exacerbated the problems. Good on the weekend though (finally). No doubt that if 10-12 of your best and 2nd tier players are not having an impact, your side is going to struggle. It's not solely the coaches fault, it's not solely the player's fault.... it's the whole football department's fault. Given that they have been cut a bit, maybe it's the board's fault as well. People need to have an understanding that there is no quick-fix, or one problem here, it's many and complex.

I'm glad they tried different things. If we just sat on our laurels having made finals and assumed that if we did everything exactly the same, natural improvement would just move us into the top 4 or a flag, we'd be kidding ourselves. Good teams are constantly looking for ways to improve. Tiger Woods completely redesigned his swing when he was world number 1. Complacency is an issue. Martin didn't work back there.... but maybe training with them helped.... he's having a career best season consistency-wise. Newy going forward actually highlights a crumbing forward/good footskilled hff problem.... we don't have any good ones. The Hampson move, well yeah, enough said about that one.

Now, having said that.... complacency has affected us off the ground. To not replace Leppa, Campbo etc is just poor judgment.... that's obvious now but there wasn't much said at the time. It's clear we need bolstering in the coaching ranks but for mine it's not with the head coach at this time. Many changes need to happen and I'm looking forward to the next 10 weeks and the off-season more than I did last year (not the 10 weeks bit more than last year!).

Brad Hellbig recruited as small forward , dead eye dick from 50 out. Madonna , kicked 18 goals for SA in the state carnival and has been the most natural small forward we have drafted since Troy Taylor
Brett OHanlon , played forward all his career and was a great contested mark at under 18 level ( not anymore under Hardwick and his assistants).
Playing Newman up forward didn't tell us anything other than Hardwick has got things a little mixed up.
I forgot to mention Sam Lloyd and Gordon . We've got plenty of options other than Newman it was just a sick fantasy unfortunately like the other ones that didn't work out.

 

[theflea]

How many top picks have Sydney had ? how
Many have Hawthorn and Geelong had ? The mindset of some Richmond supporters is embarrassing at times

True but last time I looked we didn't have their quality lists either. I would argue that the expansion teams actually prolonged the time at the top for these top teams.

 

[theflea]

Need to spend more time talking to supporters.... plenty of them blaming this exact thing amongst others!

We lost games though more due to form than personnel IMO.... so many players playing at a level well below their best for a myriad of reasons....

Imo the senior group have fell off the cliff.

 

[nut]

So the bottom teams have had it easy... and now so have the top teams. Only team that has had it tough is the poor old Dimma lead Tigers... Lets extend his extension.

 

[theflea]

Brad Hellbig recruited as small forward , dead eye dick from 50 out. Madonna , kicked 18 goals for SA in the state carnival and has been the most natural small forward we have drafted since Troy Taylor
Brett OHanlon , played forward all his career and was a great contested mark at under 18 level ( not anymore under Hardwick and his assistants).
Playing Newman up forward didn't tell us anything other than Hardwick has got things a little mixed up.
I forgot to mention Sam Lloyd and Gordon . We've got plenty of options other than Newman it was just a sick fantasy unfortunately like the other ones that didn't work out.

Helbig was a mid as a junior. here is a link from BF.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pick-no-47-brad-helbig.776930/

 

[_RT_]

Brad Hellbig recruited as small forward , dead eye dick from 50 out. Madonna , kicked 18 goals for SA in the state carnival and has been the most natural small forward we have drafted since Troy Taylor
Brett OHanlon , played forward all his career and was a great contested mark at under 18 level ( not anymore under Hardwick and his assistants).
Playing Newman up forward didn't tell us anything other than Hardwick has got things a little mixed up.
I forgot to mention Sam Lloyd and Gordon . We've got plenty of options other than Newman it was just a sick fantasy unfortunately like the other ones that didn't work out.

Helbig was recruited as an inside midfielder and after battling injuries has finally started to deliver on that promise so far in the VFL. Reckon he is close to selection. O'Hanlon is slowly turning himself into a valuable link up player on the wings. I believe the kid is averaging 25 disposals a game for the last month and is pushing for selection. As for McDonough, not overly disappointed that the kid has been asked to play down back, we want him to be playing through the midfield eventually and getting him to learn the defensive side will only help that.

As for the things that haven't worked, well that is how you improve, you try things that you believe will make you better. If they succeed you're a genius if they don't you look foolish. What matters is how you recover from making those mistakes.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Helbig was a mid as a junior. here is a link from BF.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/pick-no-47-brad-helbig.776930/

He was a forward mid mate and and absolute ripper kick for goal and once again the sky is blue Flea

 

[theflea]

He was a forward mid mate and and absolute ripper kick for goal and once again the sky is blue Flea

So you have 2 posts that shows his right up and now your changing your mind as he is now a fwd mid, not a small fwd? And then add the little barb at the end, even tho your wrong. Yeah showing your true colors there champ. Give it a rest, your behaving like a flog. Heres another write up.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/32-brad-helbig.783466/

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

So you have 2 posts that shows his right up and now your changing your mind as he is now a fwd mid, not a small fwd? And then add the little barb at the end, even tho your wrong. Yeah showing your true colors there champ. Give it a rest, your behaving like a flog. Heres another write up.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/32-brad-helbig.783466/

flog , I love it . True colours what are you Cindy Lauper or something.
Watch his under 18, reserves and seniors highlights from the SANFL. Pmsl . I love having a shadow on the board checking all posts . You can try and descredit me all you like and argue about the toss of a coin all year but that's not going to help turn this club around from the mess Hardwicks put it in Flea. We are equal last and your loving it .

 

[theflea]

flog , I love it . True colours what are you Cindy Lauper or something.
Watch his under 18, reserves and seniors highlights from the SANFL. Pmsl . I love having a shadow on the board checking all posts . You can try and descredit me all you like and argue about the toss of a coin all year but that's not going to help turn this club around from the mess Hardwicks put it in Flea. We are equal last and your loving it .

Yeah that's it I love it. Well done champ. Just cos I don't have a rant about it ad nausium and get my knickers in a twist makes me love it? Yeah right Jed.