Prediction Michael Barlow

[Allefgib]

I actually think the club has learnt from a few weeks ago. They came out in the public RE: Gibbs. Didn't eventuate and they had egg on their face. If they were to confirm they still needed to add an experienced mid and were unsuccessful in obtaining Barlow, we would be in the same situation twice. Playing their cards close to their chest reduces the risk of it all blowing up in front of them. Even if we do pick up Barlow, we are still taking 13 to the draft and will have 'organic growth'.

What's intersting to me is that we announced our intent before ready to execute.
That's the opposite of most things since fages came on board.
Presumably there was a reason that backfired - or reid was going rogue!

 

[Pugsley]

Further to the Gibbs v Brownlow comparison.

One thing I forgot to mention with Barlows average metres gained of 250, Lyons was at 350. Good call Adelaide.

Have we even got him yet ? You're preempting something that may not even happen.

 

[Allefgib]

That's fine but manage the message without misleading.

All that needed to be said after missing Gibbs is we are continuing to explore all options including 2017 FAs.

Sure there is disappointment in that - but it leaves the Barlow door ajar and it tells us where they think the list is at.

Right now as things stand can anyone say with confidence that they understand where the club feels it's at with regard to the list?

No.

They may have a view but its management seems based on pr.

 

[Jack is Back]

We'll have you started it yet?

And when it comes to my footy ******* oath I am miserable.

I want to win premierships.
We haven't played in a grand final in 18 years.
We keep losing quality players including the recent Brownlow medalist.
Our club was done for salary cap rorting losing picks.
We were one win from a top 2 finish and blew it at home.
We've just come off one of the most inept diabolical trade periods in history.

So yeah I'm miserable.

No, we were a ten goal thrashing of West Coast in round 23 away from a top two finish.

In the words of The Donald "Never gonna happen".

I admire your passion and agree with many of your points but we are not "a Gibbs away from a Premiership IMHO".

 

[Bicks]

Michael Barlow Biography
Tuesday, 25 October 2016
The Dockers did not put an offer forward to Michael Barlow at any point in 2016, despite him finishing eighth in the best and fairest from only 13 games.
"I would have loved to have a decision to make and be offered a contract. When you're going alright and think you deserve something to be put in front of you and it doesn't eventuate, that's probably the hardest thing to cop," Barlow said.

The club's slide down the ladder in 2016, from minor premier last year to third-last, was a key factor in the Dockers deciding not to keep the tough onballer.

"The whole football world knows the direction Fremantle is going and there's got to be some collateral (damage) along the way," Barlow said.

Barlow said he would play for any other club and did not rule out playing for cross-town rivals West Coast.

"Marty Pask, my manager, has had some really constructive approaches over the past little period. There's some good strong interest, which is really pleasing," he said.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

We'll have you started it yet?

And when it comes to my footy ******* oath I am miserable.

I want to win premierships.
We haven't played in a grand final in 18 years.
We keep losing quality players including the recent Brownlow medalist.
Our club was done for salary cap rorting losing picks.
We were one win from a top 2 finish and blew it at home.
We've just come off one of the most inept diabolical trade periods in history.

So yeah I'm miserable.

look I'm not happy about that either I just don't see being negative about everything as the answer or helpful. You don't need to be negative to care that we haven't won a premiership. I'm all for constructive criticism but often what I see on here is not that. It seems to more about ' I've just had the biggest tantrum so I must care more!' That is bollocks

 

[jackster83]

If his body is not about to fall completely apart, and we get him as a DFA, I don't have a problem with it.

He would be an upgrade on Thommo (Kane Mitchell would be an upgrade on Thommo's current output) and can play defensive roles, as well as go forward and kick a goal.

He replaces Thommo, Wigg replaces Mackay, Milera replaces Douglas and Knight replaces Lyons.

 

[Niximus]

What's intersting to me is that we announced our intent before ready to execute.
That's the opposite of most things since fages came on board.
Presumably there was a reason that backfired - or reid was going rogue!

Did we though?

I thought Reid's interview was pretty non-committal.

"Bryce and his management have spoken to the Adelaide Football Club, he's got a strong desire to come home, but we also respect he's a Carlton football player, he's contracted so we'll leave it at that for the meantime".

Pick 13 for the Blues, your pick 13 will that cut it?

"As I said, we'll have discussions behind the scenes and work through it".

Has he told you he wants to come to Adelaide?

"Bryce and his management said he's got a strong desire to get home".

I agree that it is not in line with the closed shop we've had the last couple of years, but it was Reid responding to questions after coming out of a meeting with Gibbs' management, it wasn't like we called a press conference to tell everyone we're getting Gibbs.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

CEY has every bit the endeavour and intensity of Charlie Cameron, just not the pace. Whether he's good enough to cement a spot? That's open to conjecture. If we do what we need to do, which is chuck out each and every one of our veterans, then there'll be plenty of room to try different options. What sh*ts me is that we've had players rotting in the SANFL for years, but they hardly get a gig. Like it's been said in some of the Crowcasts - we need to either play these guys or get rid of them, not sit on the fence and give them one or two games every year or so. If we gave the likes of CEY a decent shot, and they weren't up to standard....fine, then get rid of them. You cannot get an honest assessment of a player....any player....until he (or she) gets several games in a row in the senior side. Not one or two games, purely as a fill in. What's been going on with CEY, Greenwood, etc....absolute bullsh*t. We're just protecting our Veterans, and nothing more. Until Thommo and Co. are chucked out, we cannot make a fair assessment of CEY and most of the others.



All said and done, this is what we need in any new players we Trade or Draft in -

Sorry but CEY is nowhere near the intensity of Cameron and will never be.
I do agree that we need to either give players a chance of get rid of them but then we need to consider players for depth purposes and I would say that's why CEY has remained.
Veterans that are passed it should not get game time, time to draw a line in the sand and see who stands up once given the opportunity.

Regarding CEY and Lyons, they will never be what we require to compete in finals. If you look at the midfields of Hawks, Geelong and Swans these two are so far from what we need it isn't funny.
Lyons is gone and CEY record speaks for itself. I think its convenient that we make excuses for CEY by saying Thommo or other veterans are taking their spot.
Truth is if there were good enough everything else pretty much becomes irrelevant. If he was good enough he would have cemented his spot years ago, the fact that he hasn't at his age is damning.
He will be 24 in January for a grand total of 14 career games. If we are hanging our hat on CEY cementing a spot in the 22 at this point in time we are in deep sh#t.

Happy for CEY to prove me wrong, but just can't see it.

 

[Bound For Rory]

That's fine but manage the message without misleading.
Right now as things stand can anyone say with confidence that they understand where the club feels it's at with regard to the list?

Can't disagree with you on that point, I think we'll have a better understanding at the end of the delisted free agency period. As much as I'd like to know where the club feels they are at with regard to the list, whether I know or not makes absolutely no difference. As long as the club knows where they are at, that is the most important thing.

 

[Tex200]

Imagine what it's like as a player.

Great point

 

[Tex200]

Can't disagree with you on that point, I think we'll have a better understanding at the end of the delisted free agency period. As much as I'd like to know where the club feels they are at with regard to the list, whether I know or not makes absolutely no difference. As long as the club knows where they are at, that is the most important thing.

Really? That's your perogative of course, however there are many of us who would like to know, and given we are relied upon both directly and indirectly for revenue I think it's reasonable we be treated with some respect

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Right now as things stand can anyone say with confidence that they understand where the club feels it's at with regard to the list?

The club still seems to be trying to balance short term and long term goals. Never going all in on one at the expense of the other. Not giving in to the boom/bust AFL cycle. Trying to always contend.

Hedging bets. Looking at future - Pick 13 + Jarman? Also looking at short term - Barlow/Thompson

Didn't spend big on Gibbs now because that would harm our future.

Real middle ground stuff. Not bold. No time lines attached. No end point. No specific target in mind.

 

[Danoz]

It's what I was try to get at in the Fagan thread. I wonder how much the AO bounce has them all thinking the good times will never end?

There's a whiff of complacency that wasn't there 2 years ago

I'd go as far to say that Noble would've got the deal done, even if it was overs.

Further to the Gibbs v Brownlow comparison.

One thing I forgot to mention with Barlows average metres gained of 250, Lyons was at 350. Good call Adelaide.

Ha. Gibbs v Brownlow.

 

[mattymac]

Could be the missing piece to keep us a couple of spots above port

 

[OzSparrow]

Would certainly fit our mantra:

Embracing mediocrity since 1998.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Would certainly fit our mantra:

Embracing mediocrity since 1998.

That's your mantra, sunshine.

 

[OzSparrow]

That's your mantra, sunshine.

 

[jenny61_99]

What's intersting to me is that we announced our intent before ready to execute.
That's the opposite of most things since fages came on board.
Presumably there was a reason that backfired - or reid was going rogue!

Wouldn't be the first time....

 

[Iron]

That's the key, the club has a choice to make, grab Barlow and they can't play Thommo.

Next year is going to be a watershed year in our history I reckon and will tell us so much about our club and whether we live up to Elite Standards.

Another year of Thommo, Mackay and Douglas with Barlow instead of Menzel, Hampton, Knight, Milera and Wigg and we are going nowhere.

2017: watershed.
2016: watershed.
2015: watershed.

Etc.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I'd go as far to say that Noble would've got the deal done, even if it was overs.

Ha. Gibbs v Brownlow.

Noble would not have had the authority to complete a trade without the approval from list management and the board.

People at some point need to understand this was not the sole decision of Justin Reid.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Really? That's your perogative of course, however there are many of us who would like to know, and given we are relied upon both directly and indirectly for revenue I think it's reasonable we be treated with some respect

Of course we would all like to know what is happening with regards to list strategy and direction. Question is, is it reasonable to expect the AFC to divulge that information to the supporter base. I say no.

Of course we all like to be treated with respect, but in really it's down to our own expectations. I for one don't expect the AFC to divulge strategic information, whether it be in regards to list management or anything else, I just don't believe that is a reasonable request to make. Do I feel that I am not respected if I don't get that information, no not really as I don't expect it in the first place for the reason above.

On the respect issue, think that is a real emotional issue that the AFC will not be able to make each and everyone of its supporters happy.
Are the AFC different to any other organisation, no they're not.

I work for an organisation that employs over 1000 staff, the bull crap and propaganda I hear from the hierarchy is staggering. They always talk about the chiefs and the Indians being "one team". The reality is it never is and never will be.
Do I feel that they don't respect me, absolutely I do. In the end I don't give a rats as I look after myself, I have no expectation they will do the best for me when push comes to shove.

All large organisations are the same, we all think there should be some sort of entitlement for us. Most of the time I think its an unreasonable expectation to have.

 

[Tex200]

Of course we would all like to know what is happening with regards to list strategy and direction. Question is, is it reasonable to expect the AFC to divulge that information to the supporter base. I say no.

Of course we all like to be treated with respect, but in really it's down to our own expectations. I for one don't expect the AFC to divulge strategic information, whether it be in regards to list management or anything else, I just don't believe that is a reasonable request to make. Do I feel that I am not respected if I don't get that information, no not really as I don't expect it in the first place for the reason above.

On the respect issue, think that is a real emotional issue that the AFC will not be able to make each and everyone of its supporters happy.
Are the AFC different to any other organisation, no they're not.

I work for an organisation that employs over 1000 staff, the bull crap and propaganda I hear from the hierarchy is staggering. They always talk about the chiefs and the Indians being "one team". The reality is it never is and never will be.
Do I feel that they don't respect me, absolutely I do. In the end I don't give a rats as I look after myself, I have no expectation they will do the best for me when push comes to shove.

All large organisations are the same, we all think there should be some sort of entitlement for us. Most of the time I think its an unreasonable expectation to have.

Ok so answer me this - do you think the following statement would have unreasonable post trade period

We approached trade period with the intent of improving our midfield but unfortunately we were not able to obtain Gibbs via trade.

We will however continue to persue all options available to us to boost our list and in the meantime look forward to the addition of a talented youngster with pick 13 in the draft.

How's that?

 

[ftmch]

The only thing that really irritates me in this whole LM fiasco is the way in which supporters are treated.

If the club felt that we were in "missing piece of the puzzle territory" then have the honesty, respect and common decency to come and say "we believed we needed to add an experienced mid, undortunately Gibbs wasn't to be - but we will continue to explore all options"

Right ok I can see where theyre at - fingers crossed we can get something. So we pick up Barlow - boom, maybe not my cup of tea but hey, fits with what they are trying to achieve.

By releasing statements saying our strategy was always taking 13 to the draft and organic growth - now I'm thinking why is Barlow potentially going to take a list spot and game time when our strategy is promote from within.

From a PR perspective it's been a horror show from the club

So it's confirmed that we're into Barlow?

 

[Tex200]

So it's confirmed that we're into Barlow?

Nothing official no, still just speculation.

Doesn't change the intent of the post from my perspective