Prediction Michael Barlow

[marty36]

If there's not a spot for CEY in the midfield, then we've done the lad a disservice by keeping him on the list. If we're going to put Barlow in that inside spot at the expense of CEY, it's an utter waste of a list spot and Cameron should have been left in no doubt that he wasn't likely to get a game in 2017.

Totally agree CEY needs to be taking over from Thommo, if he is left to play in the Magoos there is no doubt he should have been traded or delisted, the guy had the best year he has ever played and although didnt poll that well was tipped as a magery favourite, not sure if he won the reserves B and F but must have been right up there.

What else could he possibly do to put himself out there.

 

[marty36]

I don't see a spot in the midfield for CEY with or without Barlow

Then why didnt Adelaide delist or trade him, I know he is contracted but last year he was given the contract, Im sure he said he was told to prove himself, the year he had certainly did that.

 

[Vikingblood]

Correct me if I am wrong but Luke Ball left StKilda, in this instance Freo got rid of Barlow because tthey dont believe he can do anything in their top 22

If he cant make Freo's 22 and Freo feels he has nothing left to offer the group why the helll will he make ours

Everyone is fully aware of Barlows injury history

Barlow finished 8th in Freo's Best and Fairest from only 13 games. Freo has a different agenda to fulfil; which is why Barlow was let go.

 

[Vader]

I would give Hampton the benefit of the doubt he was cuelly injured for the majority of last year. However realistically he will play HBF or maybe wing and thats it.

As for Menzel, its all between his ears, he needs to go to a physcologist and get his head switched on. What I saw him do for carlton inconsistenetly needs to be done on a regular basis. If he cant get his head right piss him off.

I'm not writing either of them off just yet. But my hopes & expectations of both are fairly low.

 

[simmo97]

Then why didnt Adelaide delist or trade him, I know he is contracted but last year he was given the contract, Im sure he said he was told to prove himself, the year he had certainly did that.

Cam either wanted to see out his contract with the club which means no trade would happen or No clubs were interested in his services.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

It's his first name yeah?

He's widely referred to as Cam. I thought Charlie had somehow come into the discussion which seemed odd.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Barlow finished 8th in Freo's Best and Fairest from only 13 games. Freo has a different agenda to fulfil; which is why Barlow was let go.

Correct, if Freo was in the 'premiership' window' or if Barlow was 2-3 years younger, then they wouldn't be letting him go. I assume he was on fairly decent money as well; therefore a salary cap saving to boot.

 

[marty36]

Barlow finished 8th in Freo's Best and Fairest from only 13 games. Freo has a different agenda to fulfil; which is why Barlow was let go.

Whats freo's agenda, not having quality players in the mid?

 

[Vader]

If there's not a spot for CEY in the midfield, then we've done the lad a disservice by keeping him on the list. If we're going to put Barlow in that inside spot at the expense of CEY, it's an utter waste of a list spot and Cameron should have been left in no doubt that he wasn't likely to get a game in 2017.

CEY was contracted for 2017 and it was his decision to stay. I suspect that the club would have been quite happy to trade him if he decided to go.

The ball is now firmly in his court. All of the players who were blocking him are now gone - Thompson to a JPod style coaching/backup/support/development role (mostly in the SANFL), Lyons to Gold Coast, Grigg delisted. Even if Barlow does come in, there is still a 2nd vacancy in the side, with both Lyons & Thompson no longer in our best 22. If he can't make it in 2017 then he has no more excuses.

I don't have a great deal of faith in his ability to make it at the AFL level, I think his kicking is sufficiently erratic that it is a liability (yes, he does occasionally hit a high quality target, but he misses more often than not); I'm not convinced that his work ethic (training) is as good as some of our other players; I also think he lacks the attitude/aggression required of a successful AFL midfielder.

I think he'll be given opportunities, but ultimately the team will be shuffled so that he drops out. I think Douglas will be moved back into the midfield, opening up a position for Milera (or maybe Menzel) on the HFF.

 

[feenix67]

He's widely referred to as Cam. I thought Charlie had somehow come into the discussion which seemed odd.

Ah yes I can see the confusion, because clearly noone knows Cam is short for Cameron. My bad, I'll include pictures next time

 

[Vader]

Weren't impressed by his efforts under Walsh in 2015?

We play him for half a season and he does well. We play him for 5 minutes in an unfamiliar role this year and he kicks goals. The kid does well whenever we put him on the park. Id rather give him a spot and see what he can do for a season. He gets it often and uses it better than people give him credit for.

He stated he wanted more game time, the Crows kept him on. If they don't want to give him the opportunity, then they should have done a Lyons and made it impossible for him to stay. It would be a waste of a list spot to keep him and not play him.

The difference between CEY and Lyons is that Lyons was uncontracted, while CEY already had a contract for 2017. If those positions were reversed, then I think CEY would have been the player who was traded.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Can anyone who watches AFL regularly seriously sit here and say that Bryce Gibbs is a 2-first-round-picks better player than Michael Barlow? Really? I'd much rather have Barlow for free rather than cough up 2 prized national draft picks for someone who is a moderate upgrade. If he lands in our laps then it's a blessing in disguise that we didn't get Gibbs.

 

[feenix67]

CEY was contracted for 2017 and it was his decision to stay. I suspect that the club would have been quite happy to trade him if he decided to go.

The ball is now firmly in his court. All of the players who were blocking him are now gone - Thompson to a JPod style coaching/backup/support/development role (mostly in the SANFL), Lyons to Gold Coast, Grigg delisted. Even if Barlow does come in, there is still a 2nd vacancy in the side, with both Lyons & Thompson no longer in our best 22. If he can't make it in 2017 then he has no more excuses.

I don't have a great deal of faith in his ability to make it at the AFL level, I think his kicking is sufficiently erratic that it is a liability (yes, he does occasionally hit a high quality target, but he misses more often than not); I'm not convinced that his work ethic (training) is as good as some of our other players; I also think he lacks the attitude/aggression required of a successful AFL midfielder.

I think he'll be given opportunities, but ultimately the team will be shuffled so that he drops out. I think Douglas will be moved back into the midfield, opening up a position for Milera (or maybe Menzel) on the HFF.

You don't watch a lot of SANFL do you. His disposal is fine, but his defensive running does needs work.

But seeing as youre happy to have Barlow in despite you thinking that Barlow's kicking is on the level of Thommo, then I guess in your eyes CEYs defensive running shouldn't be an issue.

Our list management is diabolical. You don't keep a kid in the system for 5 years and not play him. And if you see something you like, you play him. Walsh played him for almost his entire tenure, then as soon as Walshy passes away, it's back to the twos for Cam.

As a contracted player, CEY openly stated he wanted more game time. Hence he was open to a trade if the club wasn't going to give him that opportunity. They didn't trade him, so I expect him to be given that opportunity. If they don't, they've wasted Cam/Cameron/CEY's time and a list spot.

 

[marty36]

The difference between CEY and Lyons is that Lyons was uncontracted, while CEY already had a contract for 2017. If those positions were reversed, then I think CEY would have been the player who was traded.

Disagree with that call, If adelaide had told CEY he was going to get bugger all game time in the AFL and at the end of the year he may get delisted I have absiolutely no doubt CEY would have moved to have a crack at AFL at any club in the AFL.. If he gets delisted at year end his AFL dream will more likely than not be over.

 

[marty36]

Can anyone who watches AFL regularly seriously sit here and say that Bryce Gibbs is a 2-first-round-picks better player than Michael Barlow? Really? I'd much rather have Barlow for free rather than cough up 2 prized national draft picks for someone who is a moderate upgrade. If he lands in our laps then it's a blessing in disguise that we didn't get Gibbs.

As much as Im defending our decision not to take Gibbs, barlow does not compare in the slightest to Gibbs. Wouldnt go there

 

[Alwaysacrow]

If there's not a spot for CEY in the midfield, then we've done the lad a disservice by keeping him on the list. If we're going to put Barlow in that inside spot at the expense of CEY, it's an utter waste of a list spot and Cameron should have been left in no doubt that he wasn't likely to get a game in 2017.

I'm not sure how you figure that a Barlow inclusion is going to affect Camerons spot on the 22; CEY possibly but Cameron is a totally different player.
EDIT....Oh... I just read your latter post.... you meant Cam EY. That makes more sense.

 

[feenix67]

I'm not sure how you figure that a Barlow inclusion is going to affect Camerons spot on the 22; CEY possibly but Cameron is a totally different player.

Are you just taking the piss or do you possess an unfortunately low IQ?

 

[marty36]

I'm not sure how you figure that a Barlow inclusion is going to affect Camerons spot on the 22; CEY possibly but Cameron is a totally different player.

Fior the second time CAMERON Elllis Yoman, he was refering to CEY in his christian name

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Aren't we trying to get better?

I actually think what we achieved in 2016 is our aim. That was our perfect season. Contended, won plenty, kept everyone interested, big crowds, sponsors happy, earned good timeslots, didn't invest everything and sell out the future.

We can bubble along at or near that level for ages.

Hopefully a bit better September next time.

 

[Vader]

You don't watch a lot of SANFL do you. His disposal is fine, but his defensive running does needs work.

Add it to the list of flaws in CEY's game. You're actually helping to build the case against him, not giving any reasons why he should actually be selected.

But seeing as youre happy to have Barlow in despite you thinking that Barlow's kicking is on the level of Thommo, then I guess in your eyes CEYs defensive running shouldn't be an issue.

Barlow's kicking isn't great.. but neither was Thommo's. CEY's is worse.

Our list management is diabolical. You don't keep a kid in the system for 5 years and not play him. And if you see something you like, you play him. Walsh played him for almost his entire tenure, then as soon as Walshy passes away, it's back to the twos for Cam.

Agree with you here, at least part of it. Adelaide definitely has a habit of hanging onto fringe players for far too long, before eventually giving up on them. Brodie Martin is another excellent example. In any case, this is not an argument for playing CEY - it's an argument that he should have been delisted years ago.

As a contracted player, CEY openly stated he wanted more game time. Hence he was open to a trade if the club wasn't going to give him that opportunity. They didn't trade him, so I expect him to be given that opportunity. If they don't, they've wasted Cam/Cameron/CEY's time and a list spot.

CEY saw Lyons going and Thompson's role changing, and realised that the opportunities were opening up for him. That's why he stayed. Yes, he wants more game time - but they're not going to give it to him if he's not good enough to demand selection. I assume that CEY is pinning his hopes on the entry bar being lowered, as a result of Thommo & Lyons moving out of the team.

If he doesn't play, then they haven't wasted CEY's time - it just means that he will have run out of excuses and is simply not good enough. Is it a waste of a list spot? Arguably.. but probably not, given that the alternative would probably be drafting a player with a very late draft pick.

 

[Swooping Crow]

How long until we sign Barlow?

 

[feenix67]

I actually think what we achieved in 2016 is our aim. That was our perfect season. Contended, won plenty, kept everyone interested, big crowds, sponsors happy, earned good timeslots, didn't invest everything and sell out the future.

We can bubble along at or near that level for ages.

Hopefully a bit better September next time.

Roo's favourite line: "get to September and anything can happen".

 

[marty36]

How long until we sign Barlow?

How about the important question, how long will they sign Barlow for? Will it be the next Mackay contract that we are stuck with?

 

[Elite Crow]

Can anyone who watches AFL regularly seriously sit here and say that Bryce Gibbs is a 2-first-round-picks better player than Michael Barlow? Really? I'd much rather have Barlow for free rather than cough up 2 prized national draft picks for someone who is a moderate upgrade. If he lands in our laps then it's a blessing in disguise that we didn't get Gibbs.

Who is actually saying that?

 

[feenix67]

Add it to the list of flaws in CEY's game. You're actually helping to build the case against him, not giving any reasons why he should actually be selected.

Barlow's kicking isn't great.. but neither was Thommo's. CEY's is worse.

Youre wrong here, and labouring over a misconception. His disposal by hand out of congestion is above average and his foot skills are better than you give him credit for. He's a big body that doesn't get moved off the ball and he finds a lot of it. His only negative us that he needs to work harder defensively.

Aside from your misguided assessment of his foot skills, you haven't really thrown up any reasons for him not be included. In fact, youre preferring an older player with a similar skill set - arguably worse by foot but better defensively. You have a habit of making early calls on players and not wavering despite their improvement.