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Bomber would never sign him. He always craps on about recruiting nice blokes (sometimes to our detriment). But in this case I don't see what value having an aging, underdone, over-priced & undisciplined extra ruckman would add to our list.


He is well past his best a deserves nothing more then to be on the payroll of the Perth maffia & eventually shot for underperforming in that job.
 
No way. Our ruck stocks don't look too bad and Blake has come on well this season (at least in the games I have seen him play in, can't vouch for his VFL form).

Just what we need, another pi55head. NOT.
 
Yeah get him over here to Victoria.....
We have plenty of under world figures for him to associate with....
 

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why don't we pick up Acker and Davis at the same time. Then we can have a side full of selfish a-holes who think only of themselves and not of the team. Great culture to inject to our club.....no thanks
 
jess_555 said:
His a great player BUT we already have one psycho. Imagine Moondog and Gardiner in the same team! AHHHHHH The other team might get so scared that they wouldn't turn up. But seriously... not sure if we really need another ruckman.
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The eagles had Gardiner and Cousins.
 
We do need a ruckman. Four isn't enough, especially with Kingy breaking down every five minutes and Otto really only being a part timer.

But Gardiner is NOT the right one. The biggest problem is that Geelong has the same environmental qualities that resulted in these problems for him in Perth in the first place - small one/two team town, footballers feted like they're gods, etc, etc. It would be a disaster. Plus he's old, getting slower, injury prone, expensive, no, no, no, NO.

If we can trade a player for Meesen in trade week, that would be the best outcome. I say a direct swap for Mackie - #7 pick originally from SA to the Crows, and #7 pick originally from Geelong to the Cats. Meesen suits our needs better - we only have four ruckmen on our list, while they have six. They could use another decent running player, especially with Ricciuto and Hart on their last legs, and Craig might think he could get more out of Mackie's obvious talent than Bomber has been able to so far. Plus the fact that Mackie has 40-odd senior games and two extra years of development, while Meesen hasn't cracked a game yet, should make it even more attractive to the Crows. Win-win deal in my book.

Next best option is to draft a young 'un who will be ready to step up when Kingy is gone in a couple of years. If there is no Meesen deal I wouldn't be surprised if we take Leuenberger if he's available for our first pick, but I think a better option would be to take someone like Tippett in the fourth round. We desperately need pace and kicking skills in the midfield, and there's too many top class midfielders in the top 20 for us to pass them all up. And we hopefully have a couple of years to develop a young ruckman before he'd really be needed.

Finally, we could try to turn H into a ruckman. He's big enough, and with Moons stepping up at CHF and Hawkins coming into the side, its difficult to see his future as a key forward.
 
No way, this post is the worst this season. THERE IS NO WAY WE SHOULD EVEN GIVE UP OUR WORST PLAYER FOR THIS GUY. He is depressed, probably adicted to alchohol, and probably worse off things. He was sent back to the reserve league in WA during the 3 player allegation of drug abuse, is this a co- incidence ???

jubjub knows the deal, third strike and your out !!
 

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What is peoples fascination with John Meesen, Blake was a superior junior has shown more in the second tier comp and has played some decent AFL football. For gods sake if i see his name mentioned once more i am going to scream.

What i would do is trade to King to St Kilda (who would love him why they have their window of premiership chance) for their first round pick (we pay wages). Use geelongs first round pick on that ruckmen kid with the long name Luenberger (spelling), use St Kilda first round pick on a midfielder and draft gardiner in the fourth or fifth round as insurance. Little bit of a list reno is needed at Geelong. Not a rebuild just a renovation if we want to challenge.

Wont happen because we are gutless and that is why we are not going to win a premiership. The only time we have done aggressive trading into the draft is when it was forced upon us by players leaving (Colbert in 99 and Murphy in 2001) look at the divdends that gave us in those years.

Time is ticking away, tough calls need to be made.
 
bulletproof said:
What i would do is trade to King to St Kilda
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You're joking. No way we would trade the captain.

Its irrelevant whether Blake was better than Meesen - I'm not suggesting we trade Blake for him. I'm saying lets have both of them. We need a ruckman, Meesen might be a good option as he's a Geelong boy and as a top 10 pick must have been pretty highly rated.
 
bulletproof said:
What is peoples fascination with John Meesen, Blake was a superior junior has shown more in the second tier comp and has played some decent AFL football. For gods sake if i see his name mentioned once more i am going to scream.

What i would do is trade to King to St Kilda (who would love him why they have their window of premiership chance) for their first round pick (we pay wages). Use geelongs first round pick on that ruckmen kid with the long name Luenberger (spelling), use St Kilda first round pick on a midfielder and draft gardiner in the fourth or fifth round as insurance. Little bit of a list reno is needed at Geelong. Not a rebuild just a renovation if we want to challenge.

Wont happen because we are gutless and that is why we are not going to win a premiership. The only time we have done aggressive trading into the draft is when it was forced upon us by players leaving (Colbert in 99 and Murphy in 2001) look at the divdends that gave us in those years.

Time is ticking away, tough calls need to be made.
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Spot on regarding Meeson bulletproof. I've never seen people more obsessed with trading for a player who has done absolutely nothing at AFL level. The second part of it is that Adelaide aren't going to part with him unless they see something very decent in return. Mackie ain't going to cut it. Clubs don't trade promising ruckmen for b-grade string bean half forward flankers.
 
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What about

Our Picks 8, 26, 42 (Hawkins) 58, 74

Trade King to St Kilda for Pick 11

Trade Kelly and Pick 11 to Essendon for Pick 1 (Sheedy flagged that as an option)

Trade Playfair/Hunt to Sydney for Pick 30

Trade pick 26 and Spencer for Polak

Charlie to Brisbane for Pick 38

Picks 38 and 58 for M. Gardnier

Ricco Retires, Lonegan delisted, Slade Delisted

End Up with live Picks 1, 8, 30,74


In

Gibbs
Stellar/Thorpe
Polak
Gardnier
Prismall Jnr
Hawkins
Pick 74
Pre-season Pick

Out:King, Kelly, Playfair/Hunt, Ricco, Lonegan, Spencer, Gardnier, Slade

Salary Cap eases as well. It would happen in my fantasy football world :-)

Future Team (blokes that can mark and pace to burn)

B: Milburn, Scarlett, Harley
HB: Enright, Polak, Corey
C: Tenace, Ling, Varcoe
HF: Ablett, Stellar, S.Johnson
F: Chapman, Hawkins, Ottens

Rucks M. Gardiner, Gibbs, Bartel

Inter Mooney,Kingsley, Prismall, Rooke

Emg Mackie, N Ablett, Woja
 

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BigCat1 said:
In

Gibbs
Stellar/Thorpe
Polak
Gardnier
Pick 30
Hawkins
Pick 74
Pre-season Pick

Out:King, Kelly, Playfair, Ricco, Lonegan, Spencer, Gardnier, Slade

Salary Cap eases as well. It would happen in my fantasy football world :-)
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Yeah, its a fantasy thats what it is,
Polak west aust to the bone, wouldnt leave.
forget Gardiner.....I cant see any clubs being interested in him for the injury point of view let alone the off field shenanigans.
He might go to Collingwood, they like West coast 'seconds'.
 
jess_555 said:
... and look where that got them. LOL One being suspended and the other having to give up the captiancy.
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Point being they were both thugs. Cousins is a gangland figure in Perth, whilst Gardiner is gardiner.
 
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BigCat1 said:
What about

Our Picks 8, 26, 42 (Hawkins) 58, 74

Trade King to St Kilda for Pick 11

Trade Kelly and Pick 11 to Essendon for Pick 1 (Sheedy flagged that as an option)

Trade Playfair/Hunt to Sydney for Pick 30

Trade pick 26 and Spencer for Polak

Charlie to Brisbane for Pick 38

Picks 38 and 58 for M. Gardnier

Ricco Retires, Lonegan delisted, Slade Delisted

End Up with live Picks 1, 8, 30,74


In

Gibbs
Stellar/Thorpe
Polak
Gardnier
Prismall Jnr
Hawkins
Pick 74
Pre-season Pick

Out:King, Kelly, Playfair/Hunt, Ricco, Lonegan, Spencer, Gardnier, Slade

Salary Cap eases as well. It would happen in my fantasy football world :-)

Future Team (blokes that can mark and pace to burn)

B: Milburn, Scarlett, Harley
HB: Enright, Polak, Corey
C: Tenace, Ling, Varcoe
HF: Ablett, Stellar, S.Johnson
F: Chapman, Hawkins, Ottens

Rucks M. Gardiner, Gibbs, Bartel

Inter Mooney,Kingsley, Prismall, Rooke

Emg Mackie, N Ablett, Woja
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geezus h krist!!!!!! if we actually decided to get agressive at the trade table we could possibly be close to pulling this off! i like the cut of your jib. however, i think youve gotten your players mixed up. if you think youre getting stellar or thorp at pick 11 youre mistaken. they will go top 10 easy, and i dont want stellar anyway. hes a big guy who plays small. id be taking lachlan hansen at no 1 not gibbs. id be looking at someone like vasilevski or clayton collard at 11. and prismall jnr? forget it. ive seen first hand the talent in this draft and its deeeeeep. we can still get a potential matchwinner early, and rhys prismall aint one of those, id like one of the brown twins before him, particularly nathan. he will be a gun KPP in this comp. but seriously...if you think essendon or carlton will give up first pick in this years draft for james kelly and our first rounder youre out of youre mind (unless we get sheedy while hes on something).

i reckon if we throw it into the wind, give up anyone within reason out of our experienced players (i feel only chappy, junior, tommy, dasher, smithy and matty are off limits), if we could somehow wind up with tommy hawkins, gumbleton or hansen (i reckon hansen is the man) and nathan brown, we have a 10 year spine right there, along with eggo and nate. we have enuff tantalising talent to pull the trigger on deals, as clearly this year has proven the mix aint quite right just yet.

remember when we all thought trading tenace or steve johnson for a first rounder was ******ed? man wed get rid of either of those two now for a second rounder on a good day...or instead of beemer in that ottens deal, yes? or would we even have bothered with the ottens deal? we have to shake it up, cast out some chaff while there is still value and see what we wind up with. and this draft is the year to do it.

and trading draft picks for gardiner? we could pick him up with the 100th pick in the pre season draft no worries. nones going to touch him unless they are paying him 35k a year on a performace based contract. we wont need to trade two draft picks to get him even if we wanted him badly. i think the thing with him is that misdemenours and all, injuries have reduced him to a shell of his best, and i reckon he knows it and thats half the problem. when a young guy whos a bit of a punk anyway gets hurt in his prime, its very easy to go to the dark side. seriously, hes finished. youre thinking of his form of 4 years ago, not todays. see my previous post.

polak tho, im interested in. and please, i wanted to draft ivan maric 2 years ago, id like to have some crack at him before gardiner. meesen i would also consider, particualrly if that king deal came off.
 
Polak, is a joke!! Has the turning circle of a semi-truck, and the heart of vegetable.

It would do my head in if we traded for this guy.
 

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