Recommitted Michael Hurley?

[citizen-erased]

Oh wasn't aware of that dumb rule. Thanks for the heads up

Yeah I'd trade Koby and our first pick. I love koby (he's one of my favourite players) but am willing to move him on to get Hurley.

I don't see us getting that excited about Stevens when we have plenty of his ilk already.

 

[Senor Ed]

I don't see us getting that excited about Stevens when we have plenty of his ilk already.

Who would realistically interest you?

 

[marky53]

I actually agree with this. All Dodoro was doing was due diligence and what was best for the club. When he realised that the best the club was going to get was pick 26, the deal got done. Can't hate the guy for doing his job.

The issue is the length of trade week. Shorten it, and deals will get done and with less frustration

Its not even called Trade Week anymore - its 'Trade Period' and from memory it lasts about 8.5 business days.

 

[citizen-erased]

It only negatively affects the Bombers if they delay so much that they rush into late shit deals like Cooney, or don't get them done.

Cooney was Hird's call. I think he felt 2015 would see the team build on 2014's finals berth and another experienced head would help the list.
If it was Dodoro's call, he would have taken 37 to the draft.

Pick 17 and 37 were on the table day one, and it ended up being that and we swapped 37 for Cooney.
Same situation as Crameri. We had a deal we weren't that fussed on, we held out for something better, it didn't come and we took the original deal.

In the case of Carlisle, we did the same and ended up with more than Pick 5, which is all we wanted to begin with.

If I'm assessing AD's trade results, he gets a fairly solid A given what he's had to deal with.
If you believe the leaks the papers decide to run with, he had Pick 4 lined up from the Dogs for Crameri and our first. That draft could have netted us Bont, Merrett and Fantasia.
GWS were keen on Ryder for 2 early 1st rd picks. Once Ryder flat out refused any destination outside Port, his hands were tied.

 

[citizen-erased]

Who would realistically interest you?

picks.
the players we'd want you'd be daft to let go of.
I'd love a straight swap for Boyd if it were me.

Ideal hypothetical (i don't think he's leaving) trade:
Dogs get Hurley
GWS get Dogs 2016 & 2017 2nd rd.
Dons get Dogs 2016 1st & Pies 1st from GWS

We may tip a late pick in for that.

 

[fronkalicious]

To be fair, surely him and/or his team can deal with more than 1 negotiation at a time.

It's not about Connors not being able to do 2 deals at a time. It's about laverde being in a much much better position to negotiate with the bombers if Hurley and/or hibberd have left.

Connors: "don't tell me you don't have cap space Adrian. You had $1.3m per year on the table for hibberd and Hurley yesterday big guy."

 

[LUKE 79]

Who would realistically interest you?

Hunter and a mid first round pick.

 

[citizen-erased]

It's not about Connors not being able to do 2 deals at a time. It's about laverde being in a much much better position to negotiate with the bombers if Hurley and/or hibberd have left.

Connors: "don't tell me you don't have cap space Adrian. You had $1.3m per year on the table for hibberd and Hurley yesterday big guy."

Laverde has played 9 games too.
He isn't in a position just yet to be demanding big bucks. And he's already said he wants to stay. I imagine he will see how the next two games go then work out what contract he signs.
Likely it will be another 2-3 year deal based on potential.
Nothing story this one.

 

[Mofra]

Hunter and a mid first round pick.

Players have to agree to be traded - Hunter is a F/S pick who is close with the core members of the group so even if we agreed to that he'd have to be convinced.
FWIW Hrovat was approached last year with an offer we would have traded him for but he refused as he didn't want to leave Melbourne - example of a player refusing a trade.

 

[LUKE 79]

Players have to agree to be traded - Hunter is a F/S pick who is close with the core members of the group so even if we agreed to that he'd have to be convinced.
FWIW Hrovat was approached last year with an offer we would have traded him for but he refused as he didn't want to leave Melbourne - example of a player refusing a trade.

What would Hunter be on at the Bulldogs now.

 

[fronkalicious]

Laverde has played 9 games too.
He isn't in a position just yet to be demanding big bucks. And he's already said he wants to stay. I imagine he will see how the next two games go then work out what contract he signs.
Likely it will be another 2-3 year deal based on potential.
Nothing story this one.

I'm not saying he'll leave. Just explaining why it makes sense for Connors to sit tight on his negotiation if he thinks Hurley and/or hibberd are leaving.

 

[mighty magpie 05]

Question on Hurley:
Will any club need to trade for him? Won't he be an unrestricted free agent due to all the rubbish that happened?

 

[BRWB]

Question on Hurley:
Will any club need to trade for him? Won't he be an unrestricted free agent due to all the rubbish that happened?

Excellent question. One that hasn't come up here - very insightful.

 

[Super Hans]

Hunter and a mid first round pick.

Yeah, nah. You don't trade stars who don't want to leave.

Would you trade Dyson Heppell if you didn't have to? We're not going to just throw in one of our better players.

 

[Suma Magic]

I think you'd need to keep your 2017 pick.
You didn't take a 1st round in 2015, and by not taking one in 2016, you'd need to take 2 in either or both of 2017 and 2018.
And given you are likely to finish above us in 2017, i don't see us swapping 1st rd picks.

Only thing i can think of is you give up a player and a 2nd rd to someone for a 1st rd then on-trade that.
Who's expendable and makes up a 1st rd pick when combined with a 2nd? Jong or Stevens perhaps?

The "you must use two first round picks in four years rule":

It starts in 2015, so clubs just need to take two first round picks by the 2018 draft. So no restrictions this year, or next year, on trading future first round picks (for any club).

Only relevant restriction this year is that if clubs trade their 2017 first, they can't trade any of their other 2017 picks.

 

[citizen-erased]

The "you must use two first round picks in four years rule":

It starts in 2015, so clubs just need to take two first round picks by the 2018 draft. So no restrictions this year, or next year, on trading future first round picks (for any club).

Only relevant restriction this year is that if clubs trade their 2017 first, they can't trade any of their other 2017 picks.

Dogs trade out of the 1st rd in 2015 as well.
They could theoretically trade next years then aim to get another 1st rd pick in 2018 via next years trade.
But they'd be backing themselves into a bit of a corner

or you could risk the "wrath" of the AFL and see what they actually do.
Dogs could make an argument their list is young enough that 4 years out of the 1st rd means little to them. Esp with Wallis, Libba and Hunter joining as F/S and having Macrae and Stringer from an earlier draft.

 

[cdcanman]

Dodoro cops a lot of unfair flak.

What benefit is there for us to take the first deal if we know a deal is going to get done anyway.
You offered Pick 26 for Crameri, we baulked, waited it out and got 26 anyway. The deal didn't worsen by the end of the trade period and he gave it every chance of getting better.

His efforts at the trade table have put our list in a fairly healthy state of late. Healthier than it's been in over a decade and a half, and has done so while dealing with quality, starting 22 players in Monfries, Ryder, Crameri, Carlisle and Melksham leaving.

He had a brilliant offseason last year, without question.
Prior to this though...highly questionable. Never before have we seen so many teams so publicly be willing to express their displeasure at having to work with someone. Many were happy to engage in the public mocking of him that was occurring. That doesn't happen by accident. Usually, where there is smoke, there is fire.

Perhaps he's turned over a new leaf though. If last year was anything to go by, it would certainly appear to be the case.
Should Hurley decide to leave, it will be hard for Dodoro. Not really a fair test of his ability as EFC will be at a disadvantage from the outset. Just have to take the best deal that can get and move on. Dodoro shouldn't be judged by the outcome of this deal, if it actually happens

 

[BRWB]

Dogs trade out of the 1st rd in 2015 as well.
They could theoretically trade next years then aim to get another 1st rd pick in 2018 via next years trade.
But they'd be backing themselves into a bit of a corner

or you could risk the "wrath" of the AFL and see what they actually do.
Dogs could make an argument their list is young enough that 4 years out of the 1st rd means little to them. Esp with Wallis, Libba and Hunter joining as F/S and having Macrae and Stringer from an earlier draft.

I doubt we'd argue the point just so we could have the luxury of paying more.

More likely the offer is our first and second rds and AD can pick the year he wants the first. Similar to Ryder but slightly better I guess.

Depends on Hurley, if he goes and whether he behaves like Ryder or appears to waver on his club choice like Carlisle.

 

[mighty magpie 05]

Excellent question. One that hasn't come up here - very insightful.

Thanks for the insightful reply. I actually wasn't sure so if someone could answer me instead of this C*** that would be great

 

[BRWB]

Thanks for the insightful reply. I actually wasn't sure so if someone could answer me instead of this C*** that would be great

Try reading some of the thread then you dopey flog it's spoken about every few pages.

 

[Farm Boy]

Question on Hurley:
Will any club need to trade for him? Won't he be an unrestricted free agent due to all the rubbish that happened?

I think the players can just walk for nothing. Hurley wants to leave then Bullies will pick him up as a delisted player.

 

[citizen-erased]

He had a brilliant offseason last year, without question.
Prior to this though...highly questionable. Never before have we seen so many teams so publicly be willing to express their displeasure at having to work with someone. Many were happy to engage in the public mocking of him that was occurring. That doesn't happen by accident. Usually, where there is smoke, there is fire.

Perhaps he's turned over a new leaf though. If last year was anything to go by, it would certainly appear to be the case.
Should Hurley decide to leave, it will be hard for Dodoro. Not really a fair test of his ability as EFC will be at a disadvantage from the outset. Just have to take the best deal that can get and move on. Dodoro shouldn't be judged by the outcome of this deal, if it actually happens

I think he's done quite well both at the trade table and drafting the last few years.
I think the only knock was grabbing Steinberg over Parker.
And arguably letting Hird rule on Cooney instead of taking 37 into a draft where Daniel, Lonie or Gregson could have been picked up.

At the end of the day, i couldn't care less how difficult/displeasurable other clubs find dealing with him or us.
I would prefer he continue the output we've seen since he took the helm than change tact to appease anybody outside the club

 

[Mofra]

I think the players can just walk for nothing. Hurley wants to leave then Bullies will pick him up as a delisted player.

Won't happen - the AFL would move heaven and earth to avoid that happening.
PR.

 

[citizen-erased]

Thanks for the insightful reply. I actually wasn't sure so if someone could answer me instead of this C*** that would be great

I think the players can just walk for nothing. Hurley wants to leave then Bullies will pick him up as a delisted player.

Hurley, and any other player, would need to take essendon to court to have his contract voided.
Someone pointed out somewhere the last time this happened, it took over 11 months to resolve, meaning he would miss 2017 (or potentially play with us for the year, at which point he may as well see out his contract and then explore FA).
So i can't see it coming to that.

If it was fast-tracked and he could break it this year, no questions asked, he'd be a DFA and enter the ND (a la Ball?)
Dogs would then need to use either their 1st or 2nd rd pick on him (i don't see clubs letting him slide that far).

All in all, highly unlikely as;
a)i don't think he's leaving
b)he's not going to burn the club if he does
c)no club wants this situation to arise to avoid precedent. its bad enough players can nominate clubs now

 

[Farm Boy]

Won't happen - the AFL would move heaven and earth to avoid that happening.
PR.

The AFL will move heaven and earth to prevent the player taking legal action (either against them or Essendon) - in regards to malpractice and governance issues. Essendon thrown the initial idea out there - that the players can walk if they want - in order to prevent them taking legal action earlier. If they players can't walk to where they want, and Essendon try and hold out for overs, then the players could walk straight to the courts.