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Recommitted Michael Hurley?

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FreeAgent1 said:
Those expecting brisbanes second are deranged. He is worth early 3rd.

If Hurley nominates pies dodoro will be extremely hard pressed to get 70% of his value...especially with walk out threat...
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Ess won't get full value but I don't see anyway the Pies have the assets to get Hurley, considering other Melbourne clubs want him. Unless they are planning on trading someone unexpected.
 
FreeAgent1 said:
I did say threat. I agree he wouldn't do it, but it exists as t did with Ryder.

Pies don't have a lot of currency to get this done..
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I would say zero short of a best 22 player like Sidebottom, Adams or Grundy.

From all the quotes I've heard around Hurley, loyalty sounds big with him.
If he wants to go, i'd be surprised if he nominates one club.
 
citizen-erased said:
I would say zero short of a best 22 player like Sidebottom, Adams or Grundy.

From all the quotes I've heard around Hurley, loyalty sounds big with him.
If he wants to go, i'd be surprised if he nominates one club.
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Of course he will nominate 1 Club.
 

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Have the AFL fixed that loophole where last year, clubs traded in earlier picks for multiple later picks in order to gain more points to aquire academy players?
 
Collingwood42 said:
Have the AFL fixed that loophole where last year, clubs traded in earlier picks for multiple later picks in order to gain more points to aquire academy players?
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It's under review. Unlikely to change this year though.

TerryWallet said:
Of course he will nominate 1 Club.
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When was the last time a great player didn't?
 
Collingwood42 said:
Have the AFL fixed that loophole where last year, clubs traded in earlier picks for multiple later picks in order to gain more points to aquire academy players?
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No, but it won't have a huge impact this year anyway. Even before any O'Meara/Prestia trade, GC have 6 first and second round picks from the trading they did last year. GWS have a plethora of picks already, plus will probably get more from trades, so should be able to cover their academy players. Brisbane and Sydney don't have any.

So although the "loop hole" isn't fixed, its unlikely to come into play as much this year. GWS may do a little bit of moving picks around, maybe.
 
I don't understand people saying that clubs don't have the assets to get Hurley.

If Hurley goes and nominates a club, a deal will be done, doesn't matter who the club is.

What the player wants - the player gets. That's the footy world we are in.

Can't say I like it - even if my club may benefit.
 
BRWB said:
I don't understand people saying that clubs don't have the assets to get Hurley.

If Hurley goes and nominates a club, a deal will be done, doesn't matter who the club is.

What the player wants - the player gets. That's the footy world we are in.

Can't say I like it - even if my club may benefit.
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Just remember that Jake Carlisle was only one phone call to the Swans away from being in a Hawthorn jumper.

You're right that a deal will be done and you're right that it doesn't matter who the club is, because at the end of the day if Hurley just wants a trade instead spending 2017 sitting out of football again, he'll take a trade to another club if the one he nominates refuses to make an offer. There's no shortage of clubs throwing cash at him and plenty of them have a realistic shot at a flag in five years too.

We'll take offers within reason, as we did for Carlisle and Ryder, but we aren't going to take a couple of second rounders and some 2018 delistings just because it's "better than nothing". That's just senseless.
 
BRWB said:
I don't understand people saying that clubs don't have the assets to get Hurley.

If Hurley goes and nominates a club, a deal will be done, doesn't matter who the club is.

What the player wants - the player gets. That's the footy world we are in.

Can't say I like it - even if my club may benefit.
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Welcome to CrowWorld.
 
Peter J said:
Welcome to CrowWorld.
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we could swap stories like the monty python sketch
Tippett, Bock, Davis, Gunston, Dangerfield
Carlisle, Crameri, Ryder, Melksham, Hibberd (?), Hurley (?)

you guys have done well out of Betts, Jacobs, Jenkins and Thompson though.
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-17/payment-negotiations-threaten-to-drag-on-past-finals

Worth reading if you think the AFLPA has no power ... the game is changing.

AFL now bank-rolling the clubs ( big-time ) and negotiating with the AFLPA ... what a turn around.

Essendon are in deep trouble if Hurley nominates - I agree with others ... Essendon will be lucky to get 50% of his value in the current climate.

Essendon will do exactly what the AFL tell it to do - sign him up or take the deal if he nominates.
 
Dr Whoooooooo said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-17/payment-negotiations-threaten-to-drag-on-past-finals

Worth reading if you think the AFLPA has no power ... the game is changing.

AFL now bank-rolling the clubs ( big-time ) and negotiating with the AFLPA ... what a turn around.

Essendon are in deep trouble if Hurley nominates - I agree with others ... Essendon will be lucky to get 50% of his value in the current climate.

Essendon will do exactly what the AFL tell it to do - sign him up or take the deal if he nominates.
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surely if the players hold the keys to the city, we're not the only ones.
Hurley nominates and we fold, whats to stop us offering 1.5m to Bont and then offering the Dogs less than they offer us for Hurley?
On paper, the Ooga Booga threat of the AFLPA is offset by the clubs realising they are in this together
Screw one opponent over and expect it to happen to you.
Clubs will find equitable deals as best they can.
 

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citizen-erased said:
I would say zero short of a best 22 player like Sidebottom, Adams or Grundy.

From all the quotes I've heard around Hurley, loyalty sounds big with him.
If he wants to go, i'd be surprised if he nominates one club.
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Definite "no" to the three players you named as I think it would hurt us more than help us.

I'd offer Elliott or Witts + something. It will all depend on how determined he was on coming to Collingwood in this hypothetical example.
 
Suma Magic said:
I didn't realise it was that matter of fact.

I'd be interested to read the article if you have the link.
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pretty much. When things got late on and the stalemate on 5 didn't look like breaking, the hawks deal presented itself (17 and 19 i think) and Jake was open to it.
i don't know how the swans got involved and what they got out of it.
 
Dr Whoooooooo said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-17/payment-negotiations-threaten-to-drag-on-past-finals

Worth reading if you think the AFLPA has no power ... the game is changing.

AFL now bank-rolling the clubs ( big-time ) and negotiating with the AFLPA ... what a turn around.

Essendon are in deep trouble if Hurley nominates - I agree with others ... Essendon will be lucky to get 50% of his value in the current climate.

Essendon will do exactly what the AFL tell it to do - sign him up or take the deal if he nominates.
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You are like a carbon copy of red bull in the Jake Carlisle trade thread last season. Spend the whole season saying we will get peanuts, not his worth ect.
Fast forward 100+ pages of his dribble, and we get pick 5.
 
YEMOC NAYR said:
You are like a carbon copy of red bull in the Jake Carlisle trade thread last season. Spend the whole season saying we will get peanuts, not his worth ect.
Fast forward 100+ pages of his dribble, and we get pick 5.
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except this time, we get Hurley extending his contract :D
 
Dr Whoooooooo said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-08-17/payment-negotiations-threaten-to-drag-on-past-finals

Worth reading if you think the AFLPA has no power ... the game is changing.

AFL now bank-rolling the clubs ( big-time ) and negotiating with the AFLPA ... what a turn around.

Essendon are in deep trouble if Hurley nominates - I agree with others ... Essendon will be lucky to get 50% of his value in the current climate.

Essendon will do exactly what the AFL tell it to do - sign him up or take the deal if he nominates.
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Reckon you'll want to come up with an alias after this all blows up in your face champion. You will be embarrassed.
 

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citizen-erased said:
pretty much. When things got late on and the stalemate on 5 didn't look like breaking, the hawks deal presented itself (17 and 19 i think) and Jake was open to it.
i don't know how the swans got involved and what they got out of it.
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I think you misunderstood my post. I was interested in the public confirmation that Jake would have definitively gone to Hawthorn if Sydney hadn't got involved. Not saying it didn't happen, just interested to read the article as I wasn't aware it was that clear cut.
 
Suma Magic said:
I think you misunderstood my post. I was interested in the public confirmation that Jake would have definitively gone to Hawthorn if Sydney hadn't got involved. Not saying it didn't happen, just interested to read the article as I wasn't aware it was that clear cut.
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i can't imagine he gave any interview. so not sure there is anything to read.
All we had was a report that hawthorn made an offer, essendon spoke to carlisle and he wasn't opposed.
Maybe we made it up and the saints flinched. Who knows. it was a fun day though on the Carlisle thread. look it up.
 
Suma Magic said:
I think you misunderstood my post. I was interested in the public confirmation that Jake would have definitively gone to Hawthorn if Sydney hadn't got involved. Not saying it didn't happen, just interested to read the article as I wasn't aware it was that clear cut.
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...a/news-story/250de098cad6f4f974ce1db23b8b5730 About two thirds down in that article. As I understand, Carlisle preferred to play for the Hawks over the uncertainty of going through the PSD which would have happened if the deal wasn't done.
 
citizen-erased said:
i can't imagine he gave any interview. so not sure there is anything to read.
All we had was a report that hawthorn made an offer, essendon spoke to carlisle and he wasn't opposed.
Maybe we made it up and the saints flinched. Who knows. it was a fun day though on the Carlisle thread. look it up.
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Cheers. I remember it well.

Although I'm not sure the saints flinched. They ruled out a straight swap for pick 5 and stuck to it until the deal was done.
 
Suma Magic said:
Thanks for the article.

Although it's only "reports suggest" that he was open to going to the Hawks as a last resort I tend to believe it.
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Well to be fair, "reports suggest" is about the standard for journalism integrity when it comes to AFL trading ;)
 
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