Recommitted Michael Hurley?

[Nuggs Bunny]

People seem to think that it's impossible for us to get the currency during the trade period.

Hurley won't break his contract.

I assume Collingwood would be looking at trading a heap of their fringe or has-been players for 2nd or 3rd rounders and then hoping somebody like GWS is kind enough to upgrade all those picks to a high first rounder.

In which case, no it isn't impossible. But it's not overly likely either.

 

[legendstatus]

Lol at all opposition supporters every time Collingwood is mentioned, lol...

See what I did? Grow up.


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[Prochard123]

I assume Collingwood would be looking at trading a heap of their fringe or has-been players for 2nd or 3rd rounders and then hoping somebody like GWS is kind enough to upgrade all those picks to a high first rounder.

In which case, no it isn't impossible. But it's not overly likely either.

Our early second rounder +Witts/Brown(GWS isn't going to say no to a half decent proven KPD) should be enough for GWS's late first rounder.
Then we can trade our early 3rd rounder+Cloke for WBD's late 2nd rounder.
Final deal would be like:
GWS's first rounder+WBD's second roudner+Collingwood's 2017 second rounder for Hurley

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Our early second rounder +Witts/Brown(GWS isn't going to say no to a half decent proven KPD) should be enough for GWS's late first rounder.
Then we can trade our early 3rd rounder+Cloke for WBD's late 2nd rounder.
Final deal would be like:
GWS's first rounder+WBD's second roudner+Collingwood's 2017 second rounder for Hurley

Cloke has literally no value. Collingwood, if they let him go, are doing it for cap relief, not for trade value.
Brown wouldn't get a game at GWS.

I can't see how Collingwood make it happen without losing a player they want to keep.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Well he was huge last year and kicked the sealer in the elimination final. Thanks for putting him on the outer.

Most leave for money, family or opportunity. Boyd for all 3!!

Not to mention sadness, at living in a crap hole state as NSW

 

[Don Won]

Just curious, since the Pies have now thrown their hat in the ring. How do they facilitate a trade without offering a required best 22 player?

Easiest way is to get him to see out his contract at Essendon next year under an agreement to come as a free agent at end of the year.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Our early second rounder +Witts/Brown(GWS isn't going to say no to a half decent proven KPD) should be enough for GWS's late first rounder.
Then we can trade our early 3rd rounder+Cloke for WBD's late 2nd rounder.
Final deal would be like:
GWS's first rounder+WBD's second roudner+Collingwood's 2017 second rounder for Hurley

GWS are in the process of reducing their list to proper size, I doubt they are going to want fringe players nor downgrade a pick when they seem bent on taking as many of their academy selections as they can.

 

[The Bomb]

Honestly this is a great opportunity for North, they could get the deal done with this years 1st and nest years 1st round picks.
Surely they will go after him while their list is still up and about.

 

[nahnah]

Mate. LOL

Brown is a spud
Witts is a big spud
Cloke was good 6 years ago and is now ultimately a spud too.

And before you say it Blair, Williams, Goldsack, Toovey are also spuds. None have any value. Any team could select a VFL player in the draft with more upside then them.

Collingwood will be bottom 4 next year so good thing you cant trade away more of your future 1st round picks.

Collingwood are just window shopping and wishing.

This false bravado thing posters have in these threads is hilarious and tends to end in tears around October... But we will see.

'You will finish bottom 4 because I stated it on Bigfooty, it's fact'
'You have no trade assets because I've sat down and gone through all your viable paths of securing assets that may interest Essendon, I've also called every club and made sure they don't have any interest in any of your players'

Really hope he does nominate Collingwood, so the fun can start on here.

 

[webbo]

Honestly this is a great opportunity for North, they could get the deal done with this years 1st and nest years 1st round picks.
Surely they will go after him while their list is still up and about.

Their list is cooked. Last thing they need is more mature aged players. One of the worst under 23 lists in the comp. Petrie, Boomer, Waite, Spud, Dal Santo, Wells you'd think are all gone at the end of this season or the next. They're shot.

 

[Prochard123]

Mate. LOL

Brown is a spud
Witts is a big spud
Cloke was good 6 years ago and is now ultimately a spud too.

And before you say it Blair, Williams, Goldsack, Toovey are also spuds. None have any value. Any team could select a VFL player in the draft with more upside then them.

Collingwood will be bottom 4 next year so good thing you cant trade away more of your future 1st round picks.

Collingwood are just window shopping and wishing.

LOL, except im not laughing at your post. I'm laughing at you as a person.

 

[Donakebab]

LOL, except im not laughing at your post. I'm laughing at you as a person.

He's right though, none of the players you proposed to trade hold any real value. Bundling together a couple of plodders still leaves you with plodders.

 

[The Bomb]

Their list is cooked. Last thing they need is more mature aged players. One of the worst under 23 lists in the comp. Petrie, Boomer, Waite, Spud, Dal Santo, Wells you'd think are all gone at the end of this season or the next. They're shot.

Well you pretty much just answered why they should take Hurley, you think they have no talent under the age of 23 which suggest their recruiting hasn't been that great, so at least this way they get an absolute gun player.
They shouldn't shut the door on a player like Hurley.

 

[markm106]

He's right though, none of the players you proposed to trade hold any real value. Bundling together a couple of plodders still leaves you with plodders.

Have to agree with this. The proposed players aren't of great value individually so bundling doesn't exactly equal an elite key position player. Even if you throw in speculative draft picks.
Also isn't Brown an RFA?

 

[Wild Bill]

Honestly this is a great opportunity for North, they could get the deal done with this years 1st and nest years 1st round picks.
Surely they will go after him while their list is still up and about.

I would do this.

 

[Unknown Identity]

I do lol how Collingwood have thrown them selves in the mix for Hurley but don't have any trade currency to play with.

Screams of them hoping Hurley breaks his contract so they can pounce and get him for zilch.

Except for the fact that Buckley said in his presser that you have to give to get.

Keep those blinders on though.

Typical troll.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Cloke has literally no value. Collingwood, if they let him go, are doing it for cap relief, not for trade value.
Brown wouldn't get a game at GWS.

I can't see how Collingwood make it happen without losing a player they want to keep.

Has about the same value as Brian Lake and Cloke is younger.

 

[Unknown Identity]

He's right though, none of the players you proposed to trade hold any real value. Bundling together a couple of plodders still leaves you with plodders.

Witts has value.

Hickey had value, Hampson even had value.

Compare Witts stats with Sandilands at the same age.

I guarantee if moved on will net a 2nd round pick.

No arguements with me on Brown, Blair, Goldsack etc.. average footballers.

 

[citizen-erased]

Our early second rounder +Witts/Brown(GWS isn't going to say no to a half decent proven KPD) should be enough for GWS's late first rounder.
Then we can trade our early 3rd rounder+Cloke for WBD's late 2nd rounder.
Final deal would be like:
GWS's first rounder+WBD's second roudner+Collingwood's 2017 second rounder for Hurley

Fairly sure the Pies have done their top end trade business for the next couple of years now.
GWS don't need picks for academy kids, and they have far better fringe talent they will look to offload (WHE, Barrett, Steele), so really don't need Witts & Brown

 

[Donakebab]

Witts has value.

Hickey had value, Hampson even had value.

Compare Witts stats with Sandilands at the same age.

I guarantee if moved on will net a 2nd round pick.

No arguements with me on Brown, Blair, Goldsack etc.. average footballers.

Sandi wasn't spending his time rotting in the twos, at the same age he had already firmly cemented his spot in the side and had the 2nd most hitouts for the year. They are nowhere near comparable. He might be able to snag a decent pick, but he's stagnated and only of real value to someone who needs extra ruck depth and is willing to sink more time into development. Hickey's value was inflated because the Saints chased him and the Suns played hardball, completely different from this situation where Collingwood are looking to package players to benefit elsewhere. On top of this he wouldn't even get any game time at the Giants. They already have a great #1 in Mumford and developing ruckmen in Lobb and Downie, along with Simpson as emergency depth in case shit hits the fan. They have to trim list back at the end of this season, they won't be sitting with 5 rucks on their list, let alone taking on extra baggage to increase the pick up to a first rounder.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Has about the same value as Brian Lake and Cloke is younger.

No he doesn't. Hawthorn desperately needed a key back who wasn't constantly in the 2s and paid to get one. Whoever gets Cloke will be doing Collingwood a favour because from the outside he has no place in the club anymore and Collingwood are paying him a lot of money to play VFL.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Sandi wasn't spending his time rotting in the twos, at the same age he had already firmly cemented his spot in the side and had the 2nd most hitouts for the year. They are nowhere near comparable. He might be able to snag a decent pick, but he's stagnated and only of real value to someone who needs extra ruck depth and is willing to sink more time into development. Hickey's value was inflated because the Saints chased him and the Suns played hardball, completely different from this situation where Collingwood are looking to package players to benefit elsewhere. On top of this he wouldn't even get any game time at the Giants. They already have a great #1 in Mumford and developing ruckmen in Lobb and Downie, along with Simpson as emergency depth in case shit hits the fan. They have to trim list back at the end of this season, they won't be sitting with 5 rucks on their list, let alone taking on extra baggage to increase the pick up to a first rounder.

Sandilands didn't have a better ruckman holding him back.

Just because he is behind the pecking order that does not rule him out for being worth something of value.

If Grundy asked to be traded we'd be asking for a top 10 pick.

We'll know in due time though.. he'll either net a 2nd round pick or he wont..

And realistically it won't really hurt us if it he ends up being traded for some magic beans.

Based off previous ruck trades i believe a club will pay a mid to late 2nd round pick.

 

[The Bomb]

I would do this.

It could actually be one of those win win trades, as long as we select the right kids with the picks.
Honestly Hurley is a bloody beast and I will hate to see him leave, but the positive is, we would be trading while the price is high.

 

[cdcanman]

Honestly this is a great opportunity for North, they could get the deal done with this years 1st and nest years 1st round picks.
Surely they will go after him while their list is still up and about.

Trading the picks necessary to acquire Hurley would put North's future in further peril wouldn't it?
The proverbial cliff is looming large on the horizon for their list. Not sure they can afford to mortgage their future any further than they already have.
That's not a criticism mind you. I think what North have done to date, going all in chasing a premiership was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. It got them close, unfortunately it looks like they will ultimately fall short, but I'd be pleased as a North fan that my club was bold enough to take risks and have a crack.

 

[citizen-erased]

Trading the picks necessary to acquire Hurley would put North's future in further peril wouldn't it?
The proverbial cliff is looming large on the horizon for their list. Not sure they can afford to mortgage their future any further than they already have.
That's not a criticism mind you. I think what North have done to date, going all in chasing a premiership was absolutely the right thing to do at the time. It got them close, unfortunately it looks like they will ultimately fall short, but I'd be pleased as a North fan that my club was bold enough to take risks and have a crack.

big call for them and for them to have one more crack at a flag while Wells, Harvey, Higgins, Waite and Goldy are still playing good footy, they may well be tempted to trade their picks.
Just not sure Hurley is the answer for them. Thompson and Tarrant are pretty good tall defenders.
I would think they're better off chasing Prestia and Jaeger as a pair, gamble on the injuries, and see if they don't deliver them quality where they are severely lacking it.
While I doubt there is a club in the land who wouldn't chase Hurls, North would be low on my list of clubs crying out for him.