Play Nice Michael Jordan vs LeBron James

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Mazza1234678

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tbh it was a good education of how weak defences were in that era. If MJ is going to cut thru D's like that LeBron sure as hell will
Lol

I’m no expert on NBA pre the 2000s but weren’t some of the best defensive teams going around then?

Detroit weren’t too shabby and he did drop 63 on that Boston team they are claiming was the best team ever assembled
 

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Lol

I’m no expert on NBA pre the 2000s but weren’t some of the best defensive teams going around then?

Detroit weren’t too shabby and he did drop 63 on that Boston team they are claiming was the best team ever assembled
That's what everyone says

I'm sure the best defensive teams were nasty

But most of the regular footage you see suggests otherwise
 

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I’ve been following Lebron for years and I have no idea how you can even put him on the same pedestal as Jordan

Numerous times Lebron has come up short in the clutch and Jordan just had a killer mentality

It’s his biggest and probably only fault and disqualifies him in the GOAT argument for me

Lebron is an all time great but you can’t put him in the same breath.
 

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Always said Pippen made MJ into who he is, and this confirms it strongly, even more so.

Batsman to his robin, MJ would be a different player that’s for sure.

Le Bron having back up isn’t as bad and damaging as people think.

Look at the duos:
Kobe with Shaq
Magic with Kareem.
Bird with the Celtics team.
Voids the argument that Lebron always gets help.
He has taken far less talented teams to the finals , ie the 2007 Cleveland Cavs- ilgauskas, Gooden, Pavlovic, Hughes. Awful.
 

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Always said Pippen made MJ into who he is, and this confirms it strongly, even more so.

Batsman to his robin, MJ would be a different player that’s for sure.

Le Bron having back up isn’t as bad and damaging as people think.

Look at the duos:
Kobe with Shaq
Magic with Kareem.
Bird with the Celtics team.
Voids the argument that Lebron always gets help.
He has taken far less talented teams to the finals , ie the 2007 Cleveland Cavs- ilgauskas, Gooden, Pavlovic, Hughes. Awful.
That team was disgusting when you look back on it

Carrying them to the Finals with that squad and the year they got IT who was a big bust and he got to the Finals with a squad full of hacks is a massive effort

The fact he got swept both times isn’t a great argument for him, but without him they are a lottery team both years
 

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That team was disgusting when you look back on it

Carrying them to the Finals with that squad and the year they got IT who was a big bust and he got to the Finals with a squad full of hacks is a massive effort

The fact he got swept both times isn’t a great argument for him, but without him they are a lottery team both years
Ilgauskas was a two time all star. He wasn't a crab.

Anyway, LeBron didn't win a title with Cleveland and fell short even with a 66 win season. He bailed to team up with D Wade and Bosh and won, then came back once he had Love and Kyrie for company. Then he left again and got half the team traded so he could play with AD. He has 0 titles as a one man band.
 

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Ilgauskas was a two time all star. He wasn't a crab.

Anyway, LeBron didn't win a title with Cleveland and fell short even with a 66 win season. He bailed to team up with D Wade and Bosh and won, then came back once he had Love and Kyrie for company. Then he left again and got half the team traded so he could play with AD. He has 0 titles as a one man band.
MJ also has 0 titles as a one man band.
Gets Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc. Come on.
No one superstar can do it alone. Perhaps Kobe himself? But he still had solid help in Gasol, Fisher and defensive man with Artest.
 

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Ilgauskas was a two time all star. He wasn't a crab.

Anyway, LeBron didn't win a title with Cleveland and fell short even with a 66 win season. He bailed to team up with D Wade and Bosh and won, then came back once he had Love and Kyrie for company. Then he left again and got half the team traded so he could play with AD. He has 0 titles as a one man band.
Who does have titles as a one man band? Not even Jordan does.
 

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I'm just happy to have been alive to see them both play.
Add Kobe too.
Karl Malone, Dirk Nowitzi, Shaq, Duncan, Wade, Stockton, Nash, Olajuwon.
90-00s had serious superstars. Could argue there’s 70-80% of the 50 Greatest ever players in that time.
 

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MJ also has 0 titles as a one man band.
Gets Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc. Come on.
No one superstar can do it alone. Perhaps Kobe himself? But he still had solid help in Gasol, Fisher and defensive man with Artest.
Gasol was top 10ish in the league in the 2010s. Odom pretty handy too
 

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Lebron is a top 5 player of all time and michael jordan is the undisputed goat, the clear number 1, nothing more needs to be said
Is Lebron even a top 5?
Jordan (Goat)
Chamberlain (possible Goat)
Russell
Kareem
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Shaq
Dr J
Stockton
McHale
Parish
Steph

LeBron fits somewhere in that group with all the advantages of modern technology. Let's not forget that LeBron has sh*t the bed in the playoffs/finals on at least 2 occasions and would have fewer rings without Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving 3 pointers.

People act like MJ always had Rodman and Kukoc which is false.
 

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Jordan in 11 full seasons at Chicago was first team all defense 9 times. He won the defensive player of the year in 1988. Added to that he was 10 time scoring champ

LeBron in 15 full seasons has made 5 all defense first teams, won the scoring title once.

Jordan simply was a greater scorer, greater defender, greater winner, greater player. He balled out every single night on both ends of the floor. Yeah LeBron has played longer but the dude takes nights off. He's probably a lot smarter than Jordan was in looking after his body that way hence the longer career

Jordan's killer instinct was 2nd to none.

People bang on about how good LeBron, KD and the like would kill it playing back in the 80's 90's. Imagine Jordan with advanced sports science these guys now get.

With all that said Lebron is a absolute hell of a player. This isn't designed to be a slight on LeBron he's simply the 2nd greatest all-time.

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Is Lebron even a top 5?
Jordan (Goat)
Chamberlain (possible Goat)
Russell
Kareem
Duncan
Magic
Bird
Kobe
Shaq
Dr J
Stockton
McHale
Parish
Steph

LeBron fits somewhere in that group with all the advantages of modern technology. Let's not forget that LeBron has sh*t the bed in the playoffs/finals on at least 2 occasions and would have fewer rings without Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving 3 pointers.

People act like MJ always had Rodman and Kukoc which is false.
I think the top 3 is pretty obvious. MJ/Kareem/LeBron
 

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Jordan's killer instinct was 2nd to none.
This is what makes him great, the most clutch athlete in all sports imo, jordan is a once in a generation player, honestly seems hard to see anyone being a better basketball player than what he was, not only that but you see the crossover impact he has had across other sports, i mean it's 2020 and PSG one of the biggest the soccer clubs in the world wears jordan as there sports logo sponsor, where has that ever occured outside of jordan branding?
 

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Here are the greatest 50 nba players in 1996, list made during the 50 year anniversary




mchale and parish do make the cut
 

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