Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

The severity of the situation our club is in should terrify us. Voss is not the right man for the job but it extends to so many other key personnel as well.

Graeme Wright has the future of CFC in his hands. Will we continue to wallow and bleed our members dry for a once in a while finals win? Or will some tough decisions be made.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

It's time to throw off the Voss gravitas that he was a courageous Captain, therefore is our man. Collingwood and even Essendon are closer to surpassing 16 Premierships than we are. What bragging rights are left? Nothing..

Get Bevo - at least he has a concept of modern footy with his St. Bedes bubble and he seems to be able to develop mid-fielders, judging by the number of midfielders who have left such as Dunkley, Lipinski et al - who we should have got, if we were serious.

We need to focus on our next Premiership and I turned off on Friday at half-time because I knew what would happen.

MASSIVE CHANGE and a rebuild is required - they are hopeless!!

WindyHill mob are nowhere near winning a final let alone a flag…

 

[Michael Jezz]

I say give Evans a go as head coach, what else have we got to lose?

Evans is a soccer coach

 

[CCurnow3picks]

I say give Evans a go as head coach, what else have we got to lose?

This bloke would fit your narrative - then you could complain forever!

 

[Peacock]

We have a senior coach who either doesn't have the ability or hasn't bothered to learn tactics after 9 years as a senior coach and however many years he was an assistant coach at Port, and not to mention a 15 year playing career. Let that sink in.

The club can say all they want about how they will get help for Voss, but the best assistant coaches in the game want to be senior coaches one day, and they won't come to Carlton because they know they won't learn anything new under Voss.

We should sack Voss now and just pay whatever the tax is over the soft cap, what's the point of having all these members and money if we can never use it?

 

[GT619]

We have a senior coach who either doesn't have the ability or hasn't bothered to learn tactics after 9 years as a senior coach and however many years he was an assistant coach at Port, and not to mention a 15 year playing career. Let that sink in.

The club can say all they want about how they will get help for Voss, but the best assistant coaches in the game want to be senior coaches one day, and they won't come to Carlton because they know they won't learn anything new under Voss.

We should sack Voss now and just pay whatever the tax is over the soft cap, what's the point of having all these members and money if we can never use it?

it's more to do with stability

 

[Red Bull]

it's more to do with stability

Stable
Wholesome

What more do supporters want …

 

[GT619]

Stable
Wholesome

What more do supporters want …

who knows

 

[NYCFC]

If Voss quit tomorrow, is there a club in the AFL that would consider hiring him as their senior coach?
If Lloyd quit tomorrow, is there a club in the AFL that would consider hiring him as their GM of football?
If Agresta quit tomorrow...
If Austin quit tomorrow... etc

At the risk of falling into savior complex territory, shit flows downhill, and Wright has a lot on his shoulders.
He needs to attract serious talent. And he's a big part of the attraction. Because right now, he's had nothing but success in his off field career.
A great candidate for GM of football has to be found, and want to come largely to work with/under Wright.
Now there's two quality people at the top. Which makes it a little easier to attract a great candidate for senior coach.
Which makes it easier to attract quality assistant coaches.

As others have said, no-one of genuine quality who has options wants to work for a second rate boss, or an organization with second rate leaders.

Personally, I think Lloyd, Voss and Agresta have to go. And I'd love to see Lloyd as the first domino to fall, and even if it's not publicly announced I really hope Wright is looking for candidates right now. And then, it's onto Voss and the rest.

I don't work in the football industry, but it's painfully obvious none of these guys are top tier. Yet we expect to be winning flags? That's just not the way life works.

(Did not mention Priestly because there's absolutely no form line on him. Doesn't help that he's pretty invisible to us, but maybe he's making things happen internally? Who knows).

 

[Accidental genius]

Buckley interviewed for devils coaching role..

he’s being coy about it but it looks like he is keen too

 

[TENACIOUS]

Appreciate it’s a different generation to me…

I just don’t understand why Voss and the club are driving on-field values, respect the opposition, have humility. Voss talks about these in his press conferences.

These are values their parents should have already instilled into them growing up, not an AFL football club.

Club should be driving values of our history & rivalry, being ruthless (within the rules).

Guarantee other clubs don’t respect us. Sidebottom and Moore were laughing at us, in an interview after we played them last year.

Collingwood embraces the rivalry and are ruthless in their desire to beat us and their other rivals.

They are a formidable football club who are likely to be the first to premiership #17. Because they do things the right way!

We are an adult childcare centre, who are teaching them it’s ok to loose as long as you’re a good person.

Voss…. Do some soul searching and bring back the player Voss or you’ll end up being the unemployed Voss.

End Rant

 

[Gointocarlton]

Buckley interviewed for devils coaching role..

he’s being coy about it but it looks like he is keen too

He's a good egg Nafe, I think he'll be the perfect candidate to coach a new team of young and experienced players.

 

[Blue By Blood]

If Voss quit tomorrow, is there a club in the AFL that would consider hiring him as their senior coach?
If Lloyd quit tomorrow, is there a club in the AFL that would consider hiring him as their GM of football?
If Agresta quit tomorrow...
If Austin quit tomorrow... etc

There isn't a single club that would be interested in Voss as their head coach if we let him go. He'd find an assistant coaching role though as it's a bit of a boys club merry-go-round.

He needs to go at the end of the year and we need to find someone who will hold players to account and implement a modern game plan. Someone who doesn't play whack-a-mole every time a new issue arises. One year our defence is trash but attack fairly potent. The next year he'll address the defence at the expense of being able to score. Always reacting rather than implementing a robust game plan that holds up and allows players to generate easier scores without abusing the hell out of their bodies. He's what 8 or 9 years into his coaching tenure across two clubs and can anyone genuinely say he's significantly better than on day 1? He's not the guy who will take us all the way. He's an assistant coach. He'll never be a great head coach even with great support around him as to him everything is solely about effort and pressure. His mantra 'keep pounding the rock and things will turn'. I'm sorry but that doesn't cut it. He's supposedly a motivating type coach yet half the time we don't seem to care out there. I think he's lost half the playing group. There's definitely cracks there amongst the players I feel. Those who support him and those who don't.

We can't stop at just the coach though. Recruiting has been poor so Austin and Agresta would have to be under the pump. And Lloyd.. I don't like being nasty but how he's survived every review is crazy. If we get a new coach we have to make sure they're surrounded by good assistants and a good football head operators. Not power broker types. Actual football types who knows what it takes.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Pretty simple for me.
I’ve been a Longmire fan for a decade…if he was available I’d sack Voss tomorrow.
If he’s not I would throw every available resource at supporting Voss with assistants etc as I genuinely think he’s 100% committed to the club.

 

[Coona Blues]

Pretty simple for me.
I’ve been a Longmire fan for a decade…if he was available I’d sack Voss tomorrow.
If he’s not I would throw every available resource at supporting Voss with assistants etc as I genuinely think he’s 100% committed to the club.

Absolutely he is 100% committed. Love Voss the player who is very much undersold when the media nuffies refer to all time greats. Impossible not to admire and respect Voss the man as well.

When he was appointed I had mixed feelings. I had hated that we were tied in to an experienced coach. I wanted an innovator who could upskill the group in modern footy. I was not devastated as I was confident a competent coach could bring us the ultimate prize with the top end talent we had on the list. Only a couple of gaps were apparent, and most of them were about future progression or establishing better mature depth.

Our list was built when umpires were interpreting rules differently. Players given more time to bullock through in contest and offload. The game was by nature, more contested. Then the rules were tweaked for the better (IMO) but nit better for our group and more specifically, our group of coaches. They have coached to our perceived strengths despite movement in game style. We can still produce somewhat spectacular results against highly rated teams, but are almost lambs to the slaughter against teams with the capacity to compete equally for first possession and then murder us on the soread.

Our game style may very well stand us in good stead in the arm wrestle of a finals series, if we arrived in September healthy enough to contend. Under Voss, we are highly unlikely to do that as our game is so taxing. To front up week in week out for six months being deployed as human battering rams is unsustainable.

The common adage “work smarter, not harder” needs to be applied. We would all love Vossy to embrace a modern style, to enhance our ball, and player movement, but it just is not happening. We have had a couple of Indian Summer weeks or even longer periods, but we always revert to type. When the chips are down MV and his assistants become all about the contest rather than changing up ball movement and positional structures.

We do not have the right coaching group to take us where we need to go. I am loathe to single out individuals as they are undoubtedly all good men, committed to the cause. The group simply doesn’t work. Voss is so set in his ways, he would find it hard to change enough to embrace more modern assistants. It is hard to imagine a suitable assistant with senior aspirations coming to work under Vossy with his track record. He can’t help but revert to type.

Those smashing the players as the reason for our inconsistency need to look at the psychology of the club. We absolutely do have what is termed as “cultural issues” which need to be improved. Modern players are “different” to the mould us oldies better relate to. The bottom line is that for most individuals it is difficult to front up day after day to commit to a cause when the flaws in methodology are there for all within and without to see. Most players are not performing to their optimum despite a general commitment to the cause. Lack of sustainable system and lack of confidence can be debilitating.

 

[jj1978]

The ability to captain a team that made 4 GF's in a row and winning 3 of them in another state especially against a strong * in 2001 shows phenomenal character and leadership. How that strong trait of instilling such drive and consistency to a list has not transpired after 3.5 years is a concern when it's probably one of few assets you have to bring to the table in this coaching caper.

Again. I respect Voss highly, but almost 8 years of senior coaching and similar patterns rearing their heads is of concern.

If I were to place a bet, I'd bet he'd still be our coach in 2026 (not that I agree with it) and that's just due to the transition of CEO, president (we do have a president right?), etc, probably seeking some clarity and hoping that he does a Hardwick and pulls of a premiership after a number of years with this list (time is running out).

I'd be bitterly disappointed if we just continue to sit on our hands and not significantly improve the assistants and even boldy pay over the cap to get some much needed help in other aspects like skills coaching, etc, especially when we have an influx of young players and father and sons coming through the next few years who need some strong attention.

 

[Accidental genius]

The ability to captain a team that made 4 GF's in a row and winning 3 of them in another state especially against a strong * in 2001 shows phenomenal character and leadership. How that strong trait of instilling such drive and consistency to a list has not transpired after 3.5 years is a concern when it's probably one of few assets you have to bring to the table in this coaching caper.

Again. I respect Voss highly, but almost 8 years of senior coaching and similar patterns rearing their heads is of concern.

If I were to place a bet, I'd bet he'd still be our coach in 2026 (not that I agree with it) and that's just due to the transition of CEO, president (we do have a president right?), etc, probably seeking some clarity and hoping that he does a Hardwick and pulls of a premiership after a number of years with this list (time is running out).

I'd be bitterly disappointed if we just continue to sit on our hands and not significantly improve the assistants and even boldy pay over the cap to get some much needed help in other aspects like skills coaching, etc, especially when we have an influx of young players and father and sons coming through the next few years who need some strong attention.

You cant squeeze blood out of a stone - Voss just isn't cut out for coaching in the modern era, regardless of how good/tuff a player he was.

The modern coach needs to be a lot more than just 'come on boys go out there and give your all...play strong hard footy'

 

[Doro]

Bash and crash footy began to phase out around a decade ago. For whatever reason key people at the club seemed to covet it. Unsustainable brand over a whole season. Back to the drawing board.

 

[RPCB]

Bash and crash footy began to phase out around a decade ago. For whatever reason key people at the club seemed to covet it. Unsustainable brand over a whole season. Back to the drawing board.

Our director of football is Greg Williams, who probably forgets what day it is five minutes after someone tells him what day it is. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that key people at the club have NFI what they are doing.

 

[Jatz]

Our director of football is Greg Williams, who probably forgets what day it is five minutes after someone tells him what day it is. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that key people at the club have NFI what they are doing.

Not sure it's tasteful to be so flippant/casual on such a significant issue. Especially considering the link head knocks have had to recent suicides across the AFL landscape over the last several years.

 

[RPCB]

Not sure it's tasteful to be so flippant/casual on such a significant issue. Especially considering the link head knocks have had to recent suicides across the AFL landscape over the last several years.

Okay, fair enough. CTE is a very serious issue and I worded my post atrociously. I just don’t think Greg Williams was a good choice to be a director at Carlton, it just wasn't a good decision by the club. I think we can agree on that.

 

[DangerousD]

Appreciate it’s a different generation to me…

I just don’t understand why Voss and the club are driving on-field values, respect the opposition, have humility. Voss talks about these in his press conferences.

These are values their parents should have already instilled into them growing up, not an AFL football club.

Club should be driving values of our history & rivalry, being ruthless (within the rules).

Guarantee other clubs don’t respect us. Sidebottom and Moore were laughing at us, in an interview after we played them last year.

Collingwood embraces the rivalry and are ruthless in their desire to beat us and their other rivals.

They are a formidable football club who are likely to be the first to premiership #17. Because they do things the right way!

We are an adult childcare centre, who are teaching them it’s ok to loose as long as you’re a good person.

Voss…. Do some soul searching and bring back the player Voss or you’ll end up being the unemployed Voss.

End Rant

I remember Hodge in the 2015 GF against WC shoving McGovern to the ground when Gov extended his arm for a hand of the floor.

A big F off im not your mate move and one that many on here would complain about, i dont think we have any players who play on the edge of violence, no pests, no hunger at all costs and it starts with the coach and then the leadership group.

 

[Andonis1997]

I remember Hodge in the 2015 GF against WC shoving McGovern to the ground when Gov extended his arm for a hand of the floor.

A big F off im not your mate move and one that many on here would complain about, i dont think we have any players who play on the edge of violence, no pests, no hunger at all costs and it starts with the coach and then the leadership group.

Funnily enough, Mitch McGovern. When he gets onto a tackle, he punishes people.

Haven't seen it for a little while though.

 

[bourbons]

Absolutely he is 100% committed. Love Voss the player who is very much undersold when the media nuffies refer to all time greats. Impossible not to admire and respect Voss the man as well.

When he was appointed I had mixed feelings. I had hated that we were tied in to an experienced coach. I wanted an innovator who could upskill the group in modern footy. I was not devastated as I was confident a competent coach could bring us the ultimate prize with the top end talent we had on the list. Only a couple of gaps were apparent, and most of them were about future progression or establishing better mature depth.

Our list was built when umpires were interpreting rules differently. Players given more time to bullock through in contest and offload. The game was by nature, more contested. Then the rules were tweaked for the better (IMO) but nit better for our group and more specifically, our group of coaches. They have coached to our perceived strengths despite movement in game style. We can still produce somewhat spectacular results against highly rated teams, but are almost lambs to the slaughter against teams with the capacity to compete equally for first possession and then murder us on the soread.

Our game style may very well stand us in good stead in the arm wrestle of a finals series, if we arrived in September healthy enough to contend. Under Voss, we are highly unlikely to do that as our game is so taxing. To front up week in week out for six months being deployed as human battering rams is unsustainable.

The common adage “work smarter, not harder” needs to be applied. We would all love Vossy to embrace a modern style, to enhance our ball, and player movement, but it just is not happening. We have had a couple of Indian Summer weeks or even longer periods, but we always revert to type. When the chips are down MV and his assistants become all about the contest rather than changing up ball movement and positional structures.

We do not have the right coaching group to take us where we need to go. I am loathe to single out individuals as they are undoubtedly all good men, committed to the cause. The group simply doesn’t work. Voss is so set in his ways, he would find it hard to change enough to embrace more modern assistants. It is hard to imagine a suitable assistant with senior aspirations coming to work under Vossy with his track record. He can’t help but revert to type.

Those smashing the players as the reason for our inconsistency need to look at the psychology of the club. We absolutely do have what is termed as “cultural issues” which need to be improved. Modern players are “different” to the mould us oldies better relate to. The bottom line is that for most individuals it is difficult to front up day after day to commit to a cause when the flaws in methodology are there for all within and without to see. Most players are not performing to their optimum despite a general commitment to the cause. Lack of sustainable system and lack of confidence can be debilitating.

He can't implement a more modern gameplan even if he wanted to, we simply don't have the personnel to do it. We play the way we do coz realistically its the only way this list can play.

You can get any coach you like in there, nothing will change until the list is rebuilt around more modern sensibilities - primarily kicking skill and pace.

 

[bourbons]

I remember Hodge in the 2015 GF against WC shoving McGovern to the ground when Gov extended his arm for a hand of the floor.

A big F off im not your mate move and one that many on here would complain about, i dont think we have any players who play on the edge of violence, no pests, no hunger at all costs and it starts with the coach and then the leadership group.

This too, absolutely 0 mongrel in the current list.