Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[Revenant1995]

I disagree. Malthouse’s motivation was wrong he wanted revenge over the Pies and Eddie for getting rid of him

Horse chose to leave to have a break just like Dimma did at the tigers. I believe Horse would have the same effect on our club as Dimma is having at the Suns.

The beauty is that the club has essentially 12 months to assess where things are at, and can take a more measured approach, with seemingly more possible options. Personally, I want Voss to succeed (not only for his sake, but all supporters). And it's only my opinion, but I don't think Voss has been backed just to keep the seat warm for 12 months. I also believe GW and others want Voss to succeed.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

The beauty is that the club has essentially 12 months to assess where things are at, and can take a more measured approach, with seemingly more possible options. Personally, I want Voss to succeed (not only for his sake, but all supporters). And it's only my opinion, but I don't think Voss has been backed just to keep the seat warm for 12 months. I also believe GW and others want Voss to succeed.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[jj1978]

No he should not remain beyond 2026.

Get horse.

With Hayward Florent Newman and the fitness guy horse will make a seamless transition back into coaching and he has a few senior players that understand his way of doing things, as well as the fitness guy he’s worked with before.

Assuming they want to work with him.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Assuming they want to work with him.

Florent and Hayward love Horse.

 

[JustaBattler]

My information is that Horse is done with coaching.

 

[Bell Ringer]

My information is that Horse is done with coaching.

Snr debut at 17
Coleman at 19
Retired at 28
P'ship Coach at 41
Done with coaching at 53

Horse has been in a hurry his whole life!

 

[gab213]

If we let go of Voss, I'd want a new person who has never been a senior coach before.

I agree, I see nothing good in getting somebody like Longmire or Hinkley to coach the team. IMO, they are both done as senior coaches.

 

[blue healer]

The beauty is that the club has essentially 12 months to assess where things are at, and can take a more measured approach, with seemingly more possible options. Personally, I want Voss to succeed (not only for his sake, but all supporters). And it's only my opinion, but I don't think Voss has been backed just to keep the seat warm for 12 months. I also believe GW and others want Voss to succeed.

If this wasn't the case the decision to keep him would be seen to be extremely ill advised. Of cause they want him to succeed, it's the only explanation for the decision.

 

[Beyond Blue]

I disagree. Malthouse’s motivation was wrong he wanted revenge over the Pies and Eddie for getting rid of him

Horse chose to leave to have a break just like Dimma did at the tigers. I believe Horse would have the same effect on our club as Dimma is having at the Suns.

Unpopular view but IMO we would have been more successful (not necessarily won a flag but would have won more games) if we kept Malthouse to coach through the rebuild rather than enduring through Bolton, Teague and Voss years.

 

[Coona Blues]

Unpopular view but IMO we would have been more successful (not necessarily won a flag but would have won more games) if we kept Malthouse to coach through the rebuild rather than enduring through Bolton, Teague and Voss years.

Yep unpopular view. Malthouse was in it for Malthouse. He did not have the commitment required and game was drifting past him at the same time.

Love Voss the bloke, still unconvinced re his coaching nous. Thinking a clear mandate and direction from Wright gives him a chance, his willingness to embrace change in the game will decide his tenure from now. Has learned a few lessons and as already mentioned Wright has a strategy layer out with which I believe our list management has on board. Voss has time on his side if he can produce an environment that grown the group in a tangible manner.

There is a good chance the AFLW resurgence reaches the men’s program a think or two. We parted with individuals Harris, Gee, Prespakis, Egan etc and put together a group committed to each other and the cause. We have a great young group and hopefully our recent trades bring a team first mentality as have Nick Newman and Nick Haynes recently, probably add Franky Evans with some luck. We have parted with some great, but too much self interested players to enhance the dynamic of the group. I am hopeful.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Unpopular view but IMO we would have been more successful (not necessarily won a flag but would have won more games) if we kept Malthouse to coach through the rebuild rather than enduring through Bolton, Teague and Voss years.

Ooooooooh......wow
MM saw a stop work action style that set in especially with him and the playing group........MM saw some very bad times with a better list than what Bolton had.......it was all very poor....in fact I got an education in how things actually work when a great club bottoms out.......i realize Carltons secret was confidence ,pure belief and clubs fear that...when you take that away via penalties and lack of resources....the bones of it are quite ordinary,still remained tough tho even in very bad times,great club

I think MM was done and he took Carlton job for money....he became very bitter person going forward

 

[GC2015]

Interesting scenario playing out today with Will Ashcroft being ruled ineligible to play for Victoria in the upcoming Origin match and in doing so the AFL has ruled his State of Origin to be Queensland. Why is this relevant to Carlton / Voss? I suspect this means the AFL has plans to have Queensland play in an Origin match in 2027 (assuming the first one goes well) and I reckon there's a good chance Voss will be selected to coach QLD given he's the only current AFL coach from the sunshine state.

So, assuming he's still the coach of Carlton at that point in time, how would you guys feel about Vossy coaching the hypothetical Queensland state team in February 2027 like Chris Scott

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and Dean Cox

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will in two months from now?

 

[beowulf]

Interesting scenario playing out today with Will Ashcroft being ruled ineligible to play for Victoria in the upcoming Origin match and in doing so the AFL has ruled his State of Origin to be Queensland. Why is this relevant to Carlton / Voss? I suspect this means the AFL has plans to have Queensland play in an Origin match in 2027 (assuming the first one goes well) and I reckon there's a good chance Voss will be selected to coach QLD given he's the only current AFL coach from the sunshine state.

So, assuming he's still the coach of Carlton at that point in time, how would you guys feel about Vossy coaching the hypothetical Queensland state team in February 2027 like Chris Scott and Dean Cox will in two months from now?

An interesting conundrum. Assuming he's still coaching, I don't have any issues with him doing the job. However, he isn't a native Queenslander. He was born down South. Then again, they have made a ruling for Ashcroft, who wasn't born in Qld either.

 

[GC2015]

An interesting conundrum. Assuming he's still coaching, I don't have any issues with him doing the job. However, he isn't a native Queenslander. He was born down South. Then again, they have made a ruling for Ashcroft, who wasn't born in Qld either.

Will Ashcroft was born on the Gold Coast in 2004 when his father was serving as the club manager for the Broadbeach Cats the year after he retired from the Brisbane Lions in 2003. You might be thinking of his dad Marcus, who was born in Victoria and moved to Queensland at 3 years of age.

You're right in saying Vossy was born in Victoria. He moved to Queensland at the age of 11 and later played State of Origin for QLD. Is he a Queenslander? I guess it's debatable, but he did play for QLD and most footy followers seem to view him as a Queenslander.

Anyway. Sounds like you'd be cool with Vossy coaching Queensland in 2027.

 

[beowulf]

Will Ashcroft was born on the Gold Coast in 2004 when his father was serving as the club manager for the Broadbeach Cats the year after he retired from the Brisbane Lions in 2003. You might be thinking of his dad Marcus, who was born in Victoria and moved to Queensland at 3 years of age.

You're right in saying Vossy was born in Victoria. He moved to Queensland at the age of 11 and later played State of Origin for QLD. Is he a Queenslander? I guess it's debatable, but he did play for QLD and most footy followers seem to view him as a Queenslander.

Anyway. Sounds like you'd be cool with Vossy coaching Queensland in 2027.

No problem at all. Don't know about others, but I don't think it is an issue. He just has to survive as a coach until then.

 

[ctwenty1]

Ooooooooh......wow
MM saw a stop work action style that set in especially with him and the playing group........MM saw some very bad times with a better list than what Bolton had.......it was all very poor....in fact I got an education in how things actually work when a great club bottoms out.......i realize Carltons secret was confidence ,pure belief and clubs fear that...when you take that away via penalties and lack of resources....the bones of it are quite ordinary,still remained tough tho even in very bad times,great club

I think MM was done and he took Carlton job for money....he became very bitter person going forward

Ratten is the one we shoudl have perservered with - at least let him see out his contract, especially when you consider that we brought in MM

the MM appointment was bad for us

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Interesting scenario playing out today with Will Ashcroft being ruled ineligible to play for Victoria in the upcoming Origin match and in doing so the AFL has ruled his State of Origin to be Queensland. Why is this relevant to Carlton / Voss? I suspect this means the AFL has plans to have Queensland play in an Origin match in 2027 (assuming the first one goes well) and I reckon there's a good chance Voss will be selected to coach QLD given he's the only current AFL coach from the sunshine state.

So, assuming he's still the coach of Carlton at that point in time, how would you guys feel about Vossy coaching the hypothetical Queensland state team in February 2027 like Chris Scott and Dean Cox will in two months from now?

Meh

 

[athensblue]

If he took us to.granies we'd win them
Would balance his W L ratio

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Total Winning percentage 55.17%
29 grand finals 16 premierships

Since 1968
10 grand finals 6 premierships 60%

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Ratten is the one we shoudl have perservered with - at least let him see out his contract, especially when you consider that we brought in MM

the MM appointment was bad for us

Sure but at the time everyone thought MM coming to Carlton was the biggest coup signing ever made. No one knew what a disaster it would become. I do agree Ratten should have been given a little more time but I guess with the MM opportunity lurking the board has to make a decision then or never.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

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If that did happen it would be 2027 not 2026. Voss will see out his contract this year.

 

[gab213]

Sure but at the time everyone thought MM coming to Carlton was the biggest coup signing ever made. No one knew what a disaster it would become. I do agree Ratten should have been given a little more time but I guess with the MM opportunity lurking the board has to make a decision then or never.

It's funny how things change with the benefit of hindsight. I remember the majority of Carlton supporters calling in to places like SEN wanting Ratten gone, and they were quite vitriolic in their criticisms of him. I was of the opinion that he should at least see out his contract. I was in the minority of Carlton supporters who wanted that back then.

 

[RPCB]

Sure but at the time everyone thought MM coming to Carlton was the biggest coup signing ever made. No one knew what a disaster it would become. I do agree Ratten should have been given a little more time but I guess with the MM opportunity lurking the board has to make a decision then or never.

No other club was offering him a HC role, and he was going after a games coached record. We should have had some idea that he was coming to us for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Soapy V]

It's funny how things change with the benefit of hindsight. I remember the majority of Carlton supporters calling in to places like SEN wanting Ratten gone, and they were quite vitriolic in their criticisms of him. I was of the opinion that he should at least see out his contract. I was in the minority of Carlton supporters who wanted that back then.

IMO it never mattered who was coach. Off field we were a mess in so many areas and would have never tasted success

MM came to club with good intentions but quickly turned sour with what he found. Ratten I liked but not sure he had all the tools. Bolton went too hard on youth and Teague should never been given role. Regardless, none really had a chance

It has taken many years since then to now hopefully have things right behind the scenes. Fingers crossed

I’m not convinced that Voss is a good coach but I feel now with changes to football department, development and coaching he has a good chance to succeed

 

[beowulf]

It's funny how things change with the benefit of hindsight. I remember the majority of Carlton supporters calling in to places like SEN wanting Ratten gone, and they were quite vitriolic in their criticisms of him. I was of the opinion that he should at least see out his contract. I was in the minority of Carlton supporters who wanted that back then.

I must admit I was not convinced by Ratten as a coach. Mind you, I wasn't stupid enough to call for his replacement. I was never sure that Malthouse still had it.
Ratts: his initial plans were generall6y pretty good, but if they didn't work, it took him forever to try something else. He was seriously out-coached a number of times in his last season. We may lack a plan B now, but we didn't have even the ghost of one under Ratts.
Teague may have been the man on the spot, and he might have started with more players on-side, but he also didn't have a plan B when things didn't work. Our team seriously lacked confidence in themselves and their team mates.

And not once in any of the reigns of Ratten to Teague did we have our best team on the field. I know I go on about that, but it has been 30 years since we'd had less than 3 players unavailable. And in that time we never had all of our top players on the park.