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finbarr said:
That's sort of my point. Port always claims he knows players, people who don't sit in on selection. If his "inside info" is coming from Stewart or some other fringe player not getting a game it would be an opinion tainted by sour grapes and nothing more. They have no idea what goes on at selection meetings.
This poster originally announced himself on this forum with a post saying how he was in a pub where some Port players happened to be and overheard them saying stuff like "Kenny is a campaigner" or "Kenny is a ******". Now he's apparently mates with a bunch of them. I find it hard to trust him or anything he says.
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I'm of the same opinion

Port Always seems to post the low morale sort of stuff

Like.......

Kenny is called a f***wit by the players....

Voss bosses Kenny in the midfield.....

We aren't playing the players who showed better form over the preseason.....

Etc etc

My first thoughts also is of an alias to cause dissent in our ranks.......
 
It's really pretty hard to know what exact influence Voss is having on our midfield because they are not fit enough to show us if what they have been working on actually works. Our fitness has all of a sudden gone to 2011, 2012 status. The lack of 2 way running last weekend was depressing. Brisbane we finding 3 on 2's and 5 on 3's regularly going in to their forward line. It's scary because it's the type of thing that cannot be fixed quickly. I don't know if Burgo and Ken took a gamble putting us on a massive load so we peak later, but if they did it was a bad move, because there may just not be a later.
 
FPPF said:
While I have no evidence personally, cant speak for the other guy, you do have to wonder.
Is part of the problem Voss? We were doing quite well and well on the way to a serious tilt at a flag.
Over the summer Voss comes in as midfield coach, Ryder is recruited finally, season starts, and it's turned to shit.
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Well for one we had our very best midfield on the park for majority of the last 2 years, that continuity & stability was a large reason we finished top 5 twice.

This year we've had a range of ankle/foot/groin/hip/calf injuries almost every week to our key playmakers Boak, White, Wingard (preseason knee tendinitis), Polec (long term), Gray, Ebert & Wines' wrist.

Every time we get one back we lose or carry a number more through niggles that are clearly hampering their best output, couple that with slightly bizarre selections involving the genuine mid vs flanker mix & its not surprising we're getting beaten convincingly in the midfield lately.
 
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Kane said it I think

we are over predicting to win most of the contests and over running our forward contests and then having to rub extra at the majority b of the contests
 

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Last year when we were going through our slump we were getting destroyed through the midfield too and it was compounded with the loss of Trengove and Carlile. When our midfield loses it's run/mojo/whatever it is that makes our best footy a pleasure to watch it looks bloody terrible. It's happened in patches of 2013 and 2014 too, so to pin point the blame on Voss is unfair.
 
Willsy10 said:
Last year when we were going through our slump we were getting destroyed through the midfield too and it was compounded with the loss of Trengove and Carlile. When our midfield loses it's run/mojo/whatever it is that makes our best footy a pleasure to watch it looks bloody terrible. It's happened in patches of 2013 and 2014 too, so to pin point the blame on Voss is unfair.
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Yeah, watch the loss to Essendon especially. The Bombers continuously waltzed out of stoppages because we continually set up for a winning clearance and had no one defensive side of the ball-up. This has always been something of a trait of Phil Walsh run midfields as far as I'm aware.
 
Willsy10 said:
Last year when we were going through our slump we were getting destroyed through the midfield too and it was compounded with the loss of Trengove and Carlile. When our midfield loses it's run/mojo/whatever it is that makes our best footy a pleasure to watch it looks bloody terrible. It's happened in patches of 2013 and 2014 too, so to pin point the blame on Voss is unfair.
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when you are looking for causes of issues, one will always look for what is different. The only anomoly in the Box is Voss, so rightly or wrongly it's a logical assertion that he could potentially be part of the problem.

Only time will prove if this is correct or not. I refuse to entertain the rumours being spread about his dominance at selections however, I'm just basing it onfield performance.
 
FishingRick04 said:
when you are looking for causes of issues, one will always look for what is different. The only anomoly in the Box is Voss, so rightly or wrongly it's a logical assertion that he could potentially be part of the problem.

Only time will prove if this is correct or not. I refuse to entertain the rumours being spread about his dominance at selections however, I'm just basing it onfield performance.
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Ken is a pretty dominant character. There is simply no way known he'd be rolling over at selection and allowing Voss to take control. KT wouldn't be allowing it either. Voss has stated numerous times that he's here to learn as much as anything else. There is no way he'd be jeopardising his future prospects by pissing off his current employer the way port always would like to have us believe.
 
FishingRick04 said:
when you are looking for causes of issues, one will always look for what is different. The only anomoly in the Box is Voss, so rightly or wrongly it's a logical assertion that he could potentially be part of the problem.

Only time will prove if this is correct or not. I refuse to entertain the rumours being spread about his dominance at selections however, I'm just basing it onfield performance.
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Well he probably is part of the problem, and so are the players and the other coaching staff. They all need a find a way to lift and get ourselves out of this rut. I'm more concerned with the accusations that Voss is the number 1 or sole reason for the current state of affairs. The hunt for a scapegoat, or a reason why we are where we are is a common thing at footy clubs when in reality it is a large number of different things we aren't doing as well as last year.
 
People solely blaming Voss are short sighted, for any blame attributed to him, the players can also take responsibility. I'm also sure the leader that Ken is, he will take the heat for his assistants and the players.
 
finbarr said:
That's sort of my point. Port always claims he knows players, people who don't sit in on selection. If his "inside info" is coming from Stewart or some other fringe player not getting a game it would be an opinion tainted by sour grapes and nothing more. They have no idea what goes on at selection meetings.
This poster originally announced himself on this forum with a post saying how he was in a pub where some Port players happened to be and overheard them saying stuff like "Kenny is a campaigner" or "Kenny is a ******". Now he's apparently mates with a bunch of them. I find it hard to trust him or anything he says.
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How about Port Never

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With all the spin going on here about it not being Voss's fault i still think he is in the firing line and i for one want to start to see why in the blazes this guy was bought to Alberton. As of yet it is not to obvious and something needs to change, until it does "TURN UP THE HEAT" we do expect a lot from those who take up positions with Port.;)
 
FishingRick04 said:
when you are looking for causes of issues, one will always look for what is different. The only anomoly in the Box is Voss, so rightly or wrongly it's a logical assertion that he could potentially be part of the problem.

Only time will prove if this is correct or not. I refuse to entertain the rumours being spread about his dominance at selections however, I'm just basing it onfield performance.
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He has one less midfielder to work with plus no Wines, no Polec and a heap of players carrying niggles.

Way too early to make a call.
 
*PAF said:
He has one less midfielder to work with plus no Wines, no Polec and a heap of players carrying niggles.

Way too early to make a call.
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Counter argument he's had an extra key ruck to have at his disposal.
 

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FishingRick04 said:
Counter argument he's had an extra key ruck to have at his disposal.
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We are getting beat because we are not supporting the ball carrier when rebounding.
For all the talk about dropping Mitchell he is one of the few that is still doing it.
An extra tall doesn't help and whilst no one is willing to use the C word because he is retiring, Cornes has been good at tagging but he too is not getting to positions to help forward runs.

Atm its easy for opposition coaches, let Mitchell get the ball that way he is not running past the ball carrier to help. Get the ball back and pump it into our 50 again. Repeat.

At the end of the day there is not that much going wrong but small things can turn into big problems until they are fixed. If we persist with the extra tall we will need to improve our footskills and play more Hawthorn like, as running like last year wont work.

Not sure how that is Voss' problem and not the whole team's problem.
 
*PAF said:
We are getting beat because we are not supporting the ball carrier when rebounding.
For all the talk about dropping Mitchell he is one of the few that is still doing it.
An extra tall doesn't help and whilst no one is willing to use the C word because he is retiring, Cornes has been good at tagging but he too is not getting to positions to help forward runs.

Atm its easy for opposition coaches, let Mitchell get the ball that way he is not running past the ball carrier to help.

At the end of the day there is not that much going wrong but small things can turn into big problems until they are fixed. If we persist with the extra tall we will need to improve our footskills and play more Hawthorn like, as running like last year wont work.

Not sure how that is Voss' problem and not the whole team's problem.
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I was responding to the fact, Michael Voss has a runner short. However the counter is he has the extra ruck we didn't have last year.

Is that one smaller player that vital? If so a tall needs to go then don't they? Maybe one of our taller HBF'ers? Jonas, OShea for another elite runner.
 
FishingRick04 said:
I was responding to the fact, Michael Voss has a runner short. However the counter is he has the extra ruck we didn't have last year.

Is that one smaller player that vital? If so a tall needs to go then don't they? Maybe one of our taller HBF'ers? Jonas, OShea for another elite runner.
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It is if the players revert to the running game.
Apparently in the pre season there was an emphasis on kicking, that would make sense with one extra tall and one less runner but we haven't seen that much of it.
Well we have, but at times it looked more like the way that we used to play rather than a tweak on last year's game plan and it hasn't always been pretty to watch.
 
ranked 18 for clangers. We didn't work hard enough of clangers.

To me it means we can't get the space in contests, so that sounds like a structural thing. Who is in charge of structures? Players or Coaches?
 
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