Coach Michael Voss - Stats, history, articles, videos

[Chism]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one move one and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

 

[jj1978]

Club has gone silent and Voss said won’t speak further to media till Pies game presser. If it’s time to spread the unity line I’d think we’d need to hear something from Sydney or the Chef.

 

[Chism]

The media and idiot social media comments regarding you cant sack Voss cause of our prior history is just crap. In 4yrs you know and the Dimma at the Tigers in the mid 2000’s when he nearly was chopped is the outlier NOT the norm league wide for the last 30yrs.

This argument to keep Voss shits me to tears.

 

[bigblueboy]

Club has gone silent and Voss said won’t speak further to media till Pies game presser. If it’s time to spread the unity line I’d think we’d need to hear something from Sydney or the Chef.

SEN reporting that Lloyd has said he is unsure if he will have a job next year.
Didn’t hear the interview but extraordinary if accurate and he was the designated media spokesperson for today.

 

[Chism]

SEN reporting that Lloyd has said he is unsure if he will have a job next year.
Didn’t hear the interview but extraordinary if accurate and he was the designated media spokesperson for today.

Watch his brother Matthew in the media launch at us now with bombs.

Sunday footy show will be interesting.

They are close and will certainly be talking to each other.

Sad thing is if their Dad John Lloyd played 1 more game for us in the late 1960’s Matthew Lloyd would of been a father son selection in 95 for us and the rest is history.

 

[jj1978]

Watch his brother Matthew in the media launch at us now with bombs.

Sunday footy show will be interesting.

TBH.. couldn’t care what the Lloyds think. Let grass tosser worry about *

 

[Chism]

TBH.. couldn’t care what the Lloyds think. Let grass tosser worry about *

Media narrative will be all about you cant just keep sacking coaches while ignoring the fact they are all crap.

Secretly most that dont support us want us to keep Voss to keep seeing us fail hiding behind the the faux truth that you cant keep sacking coaches.

If they are wrong or not the guy ****ing oath you sack em and move on.

 

[Bluesince62]

TBH.. couldn’t care what the Lloyds think. Let grass tosser worry about *

Absolute pair of dumb tossers. The football one is a coaching expert having the Hailibury kids team full of scholarship players. The other has achieved nothing of note in football.

 

[Chism]

Absolute pair of dumb tossers. The football one is a coaching expert having the Hailibury kids team full of scholarship players. The other has achieved nothing of note in football.

Totally agree.

 

[blues4flag]

Everyone saying ( and not just our fans ) that you cant keep sacking coaches is a careless and BS retort to crappy coaches.

Our board is to blame and the appointment of them. Malthouse was to old at the time and was falsely seen as a Messiah.

Then come the worst rag tag crew of so called senior coaches we have ever appointed in our history with Barker / Bolton / Teague and now Voss.

None of the above did anything with us while a HC of our club and have done nothing since at HC level. Voss has a jury still out.

Stuff the history if a guy is not the one move one and no one can argue we should of ever kept anyone on the above list since 2013 when we appointed Malthouse.

If a guy is not right he is not and stuff the history and the board has failed in appointing spuds as a HC and Voss is another. Sticking with Voss right now just because of history is the most totally absurd and wrong reason to keep him.

Stuff history and prepare for the future and Voss sadly is not apart of it for us. Move on and get another voice in as he has lost the players and continues to play his favourites and his stubbornness cost us Kennedy when he made him sub in that final. Look at him now at the Dogs playing great football.

Ratten before Malthouse? Pagan?

Same set of facts can easily lead to a very different conclusion - poor culture, support staff and structure makes the job of head coach almost impossible.

Also a different set of actions. We can get another experienced coach like Longmire, and in hindsight claim he was past it if (when) he's inevitably sacked. Or hire a new coach like Hickmott and in hindsight accuse him of being the wrong man for the job.

Or we can be systematically review all levels of governance and the football department. Work towards a club that is well run, accountable and with clear purpose. That review might find Voss's position untenable. Or it might find, despite his flaws, he's someone we can work around while we address more glaring problems.

Not an easy position for Wright, but he might just be the best person for the job...

 

[Chism]

Ratten before Malthouse? Pagan?

Same set of facts can easily lead to a very different conclusion - poor culture, support staff and structure makes the job of head coach almost impossible.

Also a different set of actions. We can get another experienced coach like Longmire, and in hindsight claim he was past it if (when) he's inevitably sacked. Or hire a new coach like Hickmott and in hindsight accuse him of being the wrong man for the job.

Or we can be systematically review all levels of governance and the football department. Work towards a club that is well run, accountable and with clear purpose. That review might find Voss's position untenable. Or it might find, despite his flaws, he's someone we can work around while we address more glaring problems.

Not an easy position for Wright, but he might just be the best person for the job...

We were put on the torch for the Ratten sacking but what exactly did he achieve? He had a prime Judd and did nothing in the same role anywhere else in the same position, after he so called unfairly sacked. If he was unfairly sacked by opposition supporters you take him or STFU and prove is wrong. No coach in the last 3 decades we have sacked has done a thing after we moved on at the HC level so that argument is very straw at best.

I get he is a club champion and i loved him as a player but as a HC he was another to be put on our long list of dud coaching appointments and i may be being harsh but i want flags not honorable finals exits.

No one since Parkin has anyone achieved it and we need to correct this.

1995 was way to long ago.

 

[GoBlues!]

SEN reporting that Lloyd has said he is unsure if he will have a job next year.
Didn’t hear the interview but extraordinary if accurate and he was the designated media spokesperson for today.

Is that like being the designated driver and sober, while everyone else is getting drunk?

 

[Chism]

We have been proven right in regards to moving on from coaches what we cannot get right results wise and winning a flag we have been seriously bad getting the next appointment correct and history spells this out loud and clear.

 

[prisoner777]

After last night's debacle, I waited until today to watch Voss's presser. I wasn't surprised. He effused what he has for many weeks over four seasons....."they were better at...", "we weren't switched on/hungry enough", "we need to be better", "we will focus on these issues", etc! What a croc!!! The issues have been "in our face over several seasons"and the "we will focus on/need to be better" throw away responses simply ARE NOT HAPPENING! Voss is too caught up in arrogant, Carlton "rhetoric" to accept the sad reality of continued failure by a team which by all measured accounts should be in the premiership mix.

 

[prisoner777]

We have been proven right in regards to moving on from coaches what we cannot get right results wise and winning a flag we have been seriously bad getting the next appointment correct and history spells this out loud and clear.

We have to rely on that the past successes of Graham Wright and steady hand of Robert Priestley, will bring overdue glory to a once revered, but currently, laughable, club.

 

[YeoShuey]

Surprised we haven't sacked him yet.

 

[Beyond Blue]

We do if we want them to stay

Do we want them to stay? I want them to pull their finger out of their arses and show a bit of backbone. Everyone keeps trying the game plan is too taxing. Bullshit. Football is a tough game. I watch almost every other game each weekend and every game is a grind unless the opposition is really inferior or one side just checks out like we did last night. The gameplan was fine against Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Geelong who are all good sides but it’s shit when ithr going gets tough and they give up like they did against Richmond, Adelaide, Sydney, North and Port. Now we are starting to hear whispers about not liking the coach’s game plan as we did under Bolton and Teague. They are a bunch of overpaid sooks.

 

[JustOneTime]

We want to keep our stars...recruit 2 elite kickers. Change coach but even more important than that, recruit a transition strategy specialist, coach or otherwise. Voss for mine could stay and just be a motivator / leader. It's literally about how you move the ball now. Find a nerd already who can basically enders game it.

No more 45 metres kick floaters than allow rozee to run 30 metres and intercept mark with ease.

It's run, carry, handpass out of defence and then the final pinpoint pass or two pinpoint passes. It's overlap like Netball on physical steroids. Each player in the network moves to space and weights their delivery (handpass or kick) over an opponent's head.

Vossy, FFS, learn! If not Vossy then Carlton please learn yourself. Imbeciles.

 

[allrighty]

Even if it's more the players than Voss, I think we have to act NOW and sack Voss and grab the best available coach, who knows, Saints may sack Lyon before year's end and get in before us. I'm not for going out and getting an untried coach (we've failed at that twice) and I want someone who knows more about coaching than just coaching. Someone with a lot of Football background AKA, Longmire or Simpson.

I come in peace.

The problem with getting "retired" coaches is you might fall into the same hole as with Sheedy and Malthouse (as you well know). Both beyond it and not the saviours the club's needed. Having said that where do you go?

There are seemingly a few good assistants out there like Enright, but what happens if they fail?

IMO and FWIW get a good tried and tested newbie in (like Enright), get a solid mentor like Horse and get the best available assistants and analysts you can. You have a war chest so time to take out the keys.

EDIT: I was a bit surprised when Voss was appointed as he was soso at his last gig in the end. BUT I wanted him to succeed (even though I have horror memories of 1995) cos he seems like a good bloke and was a beast of a player. It is sad but the reality is his legendary status as a player (see ball, get ball) has not translated into coaching.

 

[Gointocarlton]

SEN reporting that Lloyd has said he is unsure if he will have a job next year.
Didn’t hear the interview but extraordinary if accurate and he was the designated media spokesperson for today.

I heard it and watched it on the news, for the second week in a row I was totally gobsmacked by this buffoons media performance.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Our best football under Bolton came when he had Neil Craig alongside him as Director of Coaching, helping shape the strategy.

If Voss stays on (and that’s a big if) he needs an experienced figure beside him, someone like Hinkley (who brings a strong focus on ball movement and transition) or Longmire.

If we go down the untried path again… I don’t know…maybe Giansiracusa? (At least that’ll keep my wife invested in the post-game coverage.)

 

[Beyond Blue]

The media and idiot social media comments regarding you cant sack Voss cause of our prior history is just crap. In 4yrs you know and the Dimma at the Tigers in the mid 2000’s when he nearly was chopped is the outlier NOT the norm league wide for the last 30yrs.

This argument to keep Voss shits me to tears.

This isn’t true at all. Hardwick isn’t the only case. Just recently Goodwin won a flag after everyone was screaming for Melbourne to sack him. In fact history is littered with similar cases. Thompson and Clarkson were both in the gun before they won flags. Port wanted Williams sacked. Our last premiership coach was in trouble before winning in 1995.

Also the calls about Voss not being up to it are merely opinions IMO. His gameplan isn’t nearly as bad as many want to make it out to be. It’s really not that much different from any other coaches gameplan. It looks bad because the players make dumbass decisions and simple skill errors. If the players can’t execute it’s on them, our development coaches and the list manager.

Over the last 10 years being patient with a coach is literally the only thing Carlton hasn’t done. Appointing a new coach every three years provides no continuity you need to develop a united team. A new coach bring new tactics and philosophies, new views on players. IMO we are just repeating the mistakes over years past. It’s no coincidence IMO we have not had any success.

 

[V23]

The more I think about it, the more annoyed I am with everyone but Voss. How many coaches’ careers is this playing group going to kill?

The culture is the problem.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Horse has apparantly been quoted as suggesting he'd like to explore another role within a club. Mentor/tactician to the new untried replacement, Hickmott!?!
See if we can't entice Enright and then build the recently retired assistants (Ward, etc)

But I'd rather we stuck fat just for once and turned over the list.....

 

[bigblueboy]

Is that like being the designated driver and sober, while everyone else is getting drunk?

I’ve since seen the press conference … the driver ran off the road and down a cliff.