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Copy and pasted from the draft/trading board, thanks to mr catt:

Premium Midfielders-2007 Draft

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Been a bit slow going here over the past couple of weeks so thought may as well do some write ups on some of the better players leading up to DC and state screenings.

W.A;
- Chris Masten, 178 cm. Classic B+ inside midfielder. Chad fletecher with a better head and pace. I'll get criticised for this but his kicking is to be desired on occasions. Kicked efficiency over the U18s was average, and his impact was not to that he had in his U15 and U16 national carnivals. Definate first round but possible slider.

- Rhys Palmer, 179 cm. Again, B-B+ midfielder. Not much X-Factor although people differ from 3 matches of footy. Regardless of strength of the draft, both S.A and Vic Country had very ordinary sides (particularly both midfields) and they played VM on Subi. If a guy like palmer did not have the impact he did you'd be disappointed. None the less stiff not to win the Larke- typical AIS bias with shifter in the box. Vanilla midfielder except with pace. Nice neat left foot but not overly penetrating. HAs overcome injuries as a junior, although has played every state carnival since U15's. Possible first rounder or early second round.

S.A;
- Brad Ebert, 187 cm. Definate B+ midfielder. Not overly quick but nice and hard- strong over the footy. Strong leader- S.A captain as a 17 year old is a good effort. WIll look forward to DC fitness results as he doesn't seem to be overly outstanding in any area- however is a bonafide footballer. Clean user of the footy, good in close, hands and vision exceptional. Adelaide loom with Pick ten, don't be surprised if Essendon swoop.

- Tom Holmes, 176? cm. Probably closer to C+ than B but i'll rate him B none the less. X factor all over, his best is great, his bad is ordinary. Very didak-esque- the 'esque' is key for this one. Question on height and fitness. Tom Hurley all over again.

- Levi Greenwood, 184 cm. VANILLA x1000. For those who don't know the term vanilla- commonly used for midfielders- slow plain player with nothing exceptional, just capable on all areas. Somewhat overrated? As a recruiter, you would be worried if a guy that weighs 90 kg's as an 18 yer old was not playing senior footy. Nonetheless some people like him. Again capable in alot of areas- not outstanding though. Can see him slipping as a 3rd-4th rounder to no pick at all. DC very important for him.

- Zac Millar, 182 cm. This guy is one of my favourite players, yet has gone well under the radar. Viewed a phantom draft where he was not selected. Typical indigenous where his great is brilliant but his bad is lost in action. I rate him as A grade. Saw him as a 16 year old and just does everything with ease and poise. An aboriginal Dal Santo. Any club who can get him later than a 2nd round would be drooling at the prospect of him.

VC;
- Clayton Hinkley, 184 cm. Quality runner- terrible user of the footy. If he could kick a bit better, he'd be definate A Grade. This inability to kick causes me deep concern and rates him as a C+-B grade. Really love his break away carry from contested situations. Gets plenty of it and his ethic is good. Leadership is quality and has a tremendous shape- but just, cant, use the footy well enough!

- Ryan Normington, 186 cm. Major disappointer this guy. Carved the U16 nationals with tremendous displays in an average midfield, but everyone has gone past him. Definate First round prospect 18 months ago. Great overhead, neat user of the footy- but when he's not in action he is totally lethargic; he's the definition of it. Not overly quick but has a turn of speed. Definate 2nd-3rd rounder but can see him slipping.

- Matt Austin, 186 cm. Lazy. C Grade that will get picked up, but doe not work hard enough for mine. Is a player that'll get 10 possies and 3 goals playing half forward but will be satisfied with it. Has all the makings of a great midfield/ flanker; Neat kick, reads the play well, body shape tremendous, isn't slow, can accumulate poessesions at will- work ethic is a worry.

VM;
- Trent Cotchin, 184 cm. A-A+ grade due to his ceiling- potential is limitless. Just think 6'0 version of brett deledio and you have cotchin. Turn of speed terrifc, both sides of the body outstanding- aerobic/anaerobic capabilities through the roof- marks, kicks goals, attacks, defends, versatile. But in and out? consistency is a worry. Watched him play a praccy match where he got the footy, cut away from an oppoenent, burst through the centre and delivered a picture perfect pass to Bongetti who drilled it from 40m- quality football. Will feature in the top 3.

- James Polkinghorne, 181 cm. B Grade midfielder. Robert Harvey esque with the esque being key. Not overly quick over the journey, although accelaration is not a worry; but just can't be tackled. Incredibly strong player through the hips and core- very powerful. Has penetration in his kick although ball drop causes lack of spin ont he footy. Hard at it inside player with class. 3rd round potential.

- Jack Grimes, 188 cm. B Grade Utility. Not a midfielder at AFL level. Leadership outstanding, quality head on his shoulders. Not an outspoken leader- he leads by actions. Runs 15 on the beep and does a 20 in under 3, but is relatively one paced throughout the game (IMO 20 m sprints' overrated at DC- tell me when do players sprint off a STANDING START on a b-ball court- not AFL specific). He isn't a bad kick but decision making is a worry (doesn't seem to hit enough targets). Typical 15-20 possy a game flanker at the next level. He has supporters in the right places which will see him as a top 20.

- Pat Veszpremi, 181 cm. B+ extractor who is genuine footy. Luke hodge clone. Tough as nails, loves it inside. Not pacy but has tremendous acceleration (he breaks away and gets 5 on an opponent well but isn't able to maintain it). Missed carnival thanks to a broken thumb, but in a way it was a blessing in disguise- Subi and Palmer would have expose. Has a thumping kick, and is an attacking player who kicks goals forward. IS very versatile (forward or back, midfield also). Some people consider him top heavy- has a big behind. This in turn affects his aerobic capacity- it isnt AFL standard. Once he's at a club he'll be Okay, but will either turn out to be a superstar, or a failure- no in betweens here.

QLD;
- Sam Reid, 185 cm. Qld's mosquito fleet with pace was complemented well by this guy. Disappointing carnival compared to lead up games but is OKAY none the less. I rate him as B Grade because he reminds me of an U10 footballer. Run, get footy, boot, chase, run after it, get it again, boot, and chase after it. Atheltic capacity is tremendous but his use of the ball is suspect and he isn't an overly smart player. 2nd-3rd rounder, but has a lot of Judd qualities- Attacking midfielder who kicks goals, gets a stack of it and isn't afraid to take opponents on.

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Take what this guy wrote with a pinch of salt. IMO severly overrated the Vic Mets and underwrote our guys. Also didn't write profiles for Morton or Selwood.
 

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Take what this guy wrote with a pinch of salt. IMO severly overrated the Vic Mets and underwrote our guys. Also didn't write profiles for Morton or Selwood.
have you seen patrick veszpremi play ysaye? he missed the champs this year so I havent seen him but from the sounds of things he could be a good fit for us
 
have you seen patrick veszpremi play ysaye? he missed the champs this year so I havent seen him but from the sounds of things he could be a good fit for us

Haven't seen him play.

AIS scholarshp holder, very well respected player, was named in the U18 last year (I think as a backpocket).

Could be a good fit - good size and a real grunt player apparently. The only thing is I think we have one of this type at the club already in Ryley Dunn.

Woodhouse from the Weagles rated Cotchin as the only quality midfield prospect in this draft, so I wouldn't be suprised if they went after Cale Morton instead.
 
Haven't seen him play.

AIS scholarshp holder, very well respected player, was named in the U18 last year (I think as a backpocket).

Could be a good fit - good size and a real grunt player apparently. The only thing is I think we have one of this type at the club already in Ryley Dunn.

Woodhouse from the Weagles rated Cotchin as the only quality midfield prospect in this draft, so I wouldn't be suprised if they went after Cale Morton instead.
from memory dunn was never really a genuine midfielder in his junior days

some of the people on the D&T who have seen him say he is a genuine rover who wins the ball and accelerates from packs which is exactly what we need

if our east freo boys are gone i wouldnt mind if he was looked at
 
This from afl insider


2007 AFL Mock Draft Preview -
October 1st 2007 02:13

1 Carlton: Matthew Kreuzer (199cm, 91kg)
They have announced that they are keeping the pick and Kreuzer will be selected. It is one of the more sensible things that Carlton have done this century. Kreuzer isn't the tallest of ruckmen, although he is tall enough, and when his height is measured at the draft camp it will be something that interests many people. While a very small increase from his listed height, if he does get an extra centimetre or two it will put him over two metres, and it always looks better on the team list when the ruckmen are 200cm or more.

Kreuzer will be the starting ruckman at Carlton as soon as he gets drafted, and he should grow along with players like Gibbs, Murphy and others to form a powerful midfield group. It won't be next season, or maybe the one after that even, but eventually Carlton should have one of the best midfields in the AFL.

While Kreuzer has also been an effective forward at TAC Cup level, for Carlton his playing time up there would be very minimal. Fevola doesn't really like to share his space, and if Fisher and Kennedy are still there in 2008 the Blues will have plenty of forward marking targets. Shaun Hampson, who could be Kreuzer's backup for many years, may also play forward at times.


2 Richmond: Trent Cotchin (184cm, 81kg)
There was talk that Richmond wanted a few of the Morton brothers, although it is hard to see them letting Cotchin go past their pick. A Deledio and Cotchin pairing is something that Richmond fans will want to see, they are similar players and opposition teams won’t be able to keep up with both of them. The Tigers do need height, but they can probably afford to go small here if they use picks 18 and 19 on tall players.

There might be up to ten players who are worth the second overall pick, so Richmond may be able to trade down a bit and still get the player they wanted, something that worked for them last year in the Polak deal when they were able to draft Jack Riewoldt.

While Cotchin is injured at the moment, that isn't a reason to not take him at pick 2. Chris Judd wasn't drafted by a team or two due to his shoulder problem, Joel Selwood was recovering from a knee injury, and the teams that drafted them were rewarded.


3 Carlton: Cale Morton (192cm, 75kg)
Koutoufides is gone and the Carlton midfield loses a lot of its size, Morton could help there or in the back line.

As a defender, Morton could combine the play of Scotland with the height of Waite. Andrejs Everitt had a very good season for the Bulldogs in 2006, Morton could play a similar role next year for the team that drafts him and he is even more advanced than Everitt was. If Morton was introduced to AFL football as a midfielder, it could provide his team with some mismatches to exploit. Morton can take a mark, and on the wing against a much shorter opponent he could do some damage.

Richmond may already have Morton ranked at number 2 on their list, but that may depend on what is happening with Mitch Morton who Richmond could take in the preseason draft. If that happens, then the Mortons could become the Bowdens of 2006.


4 Melbourne: Ben McEvoy (199cm, 90kg)
While he didn't star on the weekend when he played on the MCG, he has done more than enough this season to be a top 5 pick.

A big body, good running ability and strong hands make McEvoy one of the players from this draft who could dominate the AFL in a few years. Centre half forward is often said to be the most important spot on the ground, and McEvoy is by far the best prospect at that position.

Neitz is in his final years at the club, McEvoy would be a big help to him next season and then would take over as their big target up forward when Neitz retired.


5 Western Bulldogs: Alex Rance (194cm, 87kg)
The family connection to the Bulldogs is a bonus, that Alex Rance is a big defender with plenty of skills is the real reason they will consider drafting him.

He has plenty of size but his mobility is also something that should appeal to teams with very high picks in the draft. A centre half back with good hands and defensive skills combined with some dash from the back line when it is needed, Rance would be a perfect fit for the Bulldogs.

While Rance would be a big part of the Bulldogs in the future, he is also ready to contribute for them next season. That will be important if they do keep the pick, as they need to win now before West, Johnson, Akermanis and Grant finish

6 Essendon: Rhys Palmer (180cm, 76kg)
The Bombers need speed, they need someone with a bit of flair who can break a game open, Palmer showed he can play in the big games.

The Bombers have an oversupply of tall players, of veterans and younger players, so a small player is what they need. Palmer would probably split his time between the forward line and midfield in his first year there.

The Bombers have consistently gone to WA to find players in recent drafts, so if this happens it will mean Palmer follows players like Gumbleton, Ryder, Bradley and Jetta from the West to the Bombers.


7 Fremantle: Chris Masten (179cm, 78kg)
When a team has huge ruckmen, and the Dockers qualify there with Sandilands and Warnock, they need to be surrounded by players who know how to operate at the stoppages. Masten would be on the end of plenty of hitouts if he was a Docker next year.

Hasleby's situation is uncertain at the moment. The Dockers have said they want him back, and have reportedly offered a new deal, but a change of clubs might be beneficial for him. If Hasleby does go, then Masten would step right into his role in the Fremantle midfield.

The Dockers have been successful in retaining a lot of players they have who are from other states, but this draft will probably see them take a local. Masten and Palmer would both be very high on their wish list.


8 Brisbane: Brad Ebert (187cm, 86kg)
Brisbane have already talked about the type of player they want, and they were describing Ebert when they said they needed to find some bigger midfielders.

Ebert is obviously going to be a target of Port Adelaide in the draft, but it is very unlikely that he makes it to their first choice. The Power will have to make a trade to move up in the draft to get Ebert.

The Lions didn't get the expected improvement from players like Sherman and Moody this season, so they could be moved out this offseason and Ebert would step in and take their role of a player who operates in the midfield and also around half forward.


9 St Kilda: Lachlan Henderson (196cm, 90kg)
The Saints don't have one specific need, so they will be a club to watch on draft day and could surprise with the direction they take. It could depend on Koschitzke, if he is a ruckman next year then the Saints will want to add another forward. If Koschitzke is going to replace Gehrig in the goal-square, then drafting a ruckman could become the priority.

If Maguire left, then Henderson might have also been an option for them as a tall defender, but Maguire has agreed to stay at St Kilda. So Henderson would be competing with Fergus Watts and Jarryd Allen to be the Saints' new full forward in 2008.

The Saints could also decide they need more speed in the middle or another ruckman. If Palmer or McEvoy are available at this pick the Saints might take one of them. But they may not even have this pick, during trade week the Saints could find a trade offer that gives them what they need in exchange for their pick.


10 Adelaide: David Myers (190cm, 85kg)
While the forward line is where the Crows need immediate help, they already invested in that position in the 2006 AFL draft, when they took Sellar and Tippett.

Myers would be a good fit with the Crows' many running defenders, or on the wing. Edwards and Goodwin don't have a lot left so replacing them is something Adelaide need to plan for, and the Crows could use a taller body in the midfield.

The Crows could have a few extra picks to use in the draft, Meesen and Hudson could bring them picks 37 and 38. McGregor is another player who could be moved during trade week.



11 Sydney: Tom Collier (192cm, 86kg)
The Swans are in an interesting situation, they might still have a year or two as a contender before some of their big stars retire, so they might trade for another veteran or could keep their pick but add someone who can make an impact right away. Collier has senior experience at VFL level, and can step right into the lineup with his new AFL club in round 1.

If Kennelly and Malceski are used more in the middle of the ground by Sydney, Collier could take a spot in the back line. Collier is a very versatile defender so he can play on nearly any type of forward, and if he is asked to he can also attack from the back, so at the Swans he would be very similar to Barry and C Bolton, and even a bit taller than those two.

Collier also has shown he can play in the middle of the action, so if Sydney used Collier and Goodes in the middle they would have a lot of size.


12 Hawthorn: Scott Selwood (184cm, 81kg)
He is famous, and he hasn't even played a game yet. As Hulk Hogan used to say, "Brother, Brother, Brother".

Brisbane could have taken Joel with a very high pick last year, they didn't then so it is unlikely that they will take Scott this time in the first round, although there is the chance that he lasts until their second rounder. The Eagles could see Scott Selwood as the type of player who could eventually take over from Wirrpanda as a leader in the back line, so he might go at pick 13. The Cats have the last pick of the first round, Scott would make sense for them too.

The Hawks have a lot of young talent, especially in the talls department, so a small midfielder/defender would be something they look at. Vandenberg and Smith are gone, so there could be a spot at Hawthorn for Selwood in the back half or as a defensive midfield player.


13 West Coast: Cyril Rioli (178cm, 74kg)
At the start of the season, with Essendon putting a few wins together, it looked like Rioli would probably be a Bomber in 2008 with Sheedy as his coach. Things have changed since then, but Rioli is still going to be one of the big stories of the AFL draft.

The Eagles will probably have at least one more first round pick to use, from the Judd trade, as well as their own pick here. They wouldn't want to take Rioli at pick 3 but at 13 he is good value. A very skilful player, Rioli would find a spot on the team next season as a small forward and occasional midfielder.

West Coast need more options up forward, right now they have Lynch and if he isn't kicking goals their only hope is if Hunter goes forward. Rioli can be a crumbing forward like Tony Evans or could also be used as a quick but small full forward like Phil Matera.


14 Collingwood: Jack Grimes (187cm, 76kg)
Buckley and Burns should be back next season, maybe Licuria is too, but the Magpies know they need to add some youth to the midfield. Grimes has size for the position, a very good understanding of the game and leadership qualities.

Dale Thomas is all about skills, Pendlebury is defined by his athleticism, Grimes would bring determination and football smarts, giving Collingwood three young stars who compliment each other and form a great team.

The Magpies also need to draft at least one ruckman, and while there will be a few options for that spot here it might be better if they use their second round pick on a ruckman and add a quality smaller player in the first round. That could change if the Magpies find a ruck prospect that they really want, and looking at all the recent success they have had in the draft, there won't be many questioning their choice.


15 Kangaroos: Addam Maric (179cm, 80kg)
They will have to replace Shannon Grant in a few years, and Maric might be his clone. A small player who can have a big impact in the forward line, Maric doesn't miss very often when he has a shot for goal.

The Kangaroos will have to figure out a new structure for their forward line in 2008. With Thompson returning from injury, and an improvement from Hansen, they could have more size to use. With Hale and Petrie too, as well as the marking ability of Edwards and Jones, there will need to be skilful small players around to make the forward line function. Maric should not only score a few goals for the Kangaroos if they draft him but he should also assist in many more.

The Kangaroos have not had a lot of success in recent times with trading high draft picks for veteran players, but this year it could be a good time to try it again. If they believe that they were very close to getting to a Grand Final, they might want to add the extra player or two via a trade who can take them that next step in 2008. The Kangaroos could also trade for veteran help by sending out one of their young talls, like Brad Moran or Hansen
 
^^^^ This does not look good at all for Freo, what with W.C probably going to end up with an early pick and wanting Masten or Plamer as well it looks like we will miss out on them both by the time pick 7 comes along.
 
^^^^ This does not look good at all for Freo, what with W.C probably going to end up with an early pick and wanting Masten or Plamer as well it looks like we will miss out on them both by the time pick 7 comes along.

If that happens.... then Brad Ebert come on down! :thumbsu:
 
Is it just me or are these "experts" underating Rhys Palmer ?. When I have seen him play for the Gummies, he has impressed me with his work ethic and smart moves.

I don't admit to be a good judge of junior talent but I think he has alot more runs on the board, having played against men rather than just playing in a glorified school boys competition.
 

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Is it just me or are these "experts" underating Rhys Palmer ?. When I have seen him play for the Gummies, he has impressed me with his work ethic and smart moves.

I don't admit to be a good judge of junior talent but I think he has alot more runs on the board, having played against men rather than just playing in a glorified school boys competition.


A lot of drafting is based on upside. I can't find the D.O.B. of the likely draftees online but IIRC Palmer is the oldest of the probable top ten lads. He is already quite solid so recruiters might think he's not going to get much better than he currently is.

I agree though, has looked very good at WAFL level and ready to contribute next season. His running ability is already very good, with a strong pre-season he should play round one.
 

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