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Miller looks to bolster backline

5:58 PM Thu 4 October, 2007 | Back
By Jason Phelan
for richmondfc.com.au



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THE NAB AFL Draft Camp is in full swing at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra and the Richmond delegation is right in the thick of things trying to identify the next big star to rise at Tigerland.
The camp has become one of the most important facets of the young talent identification process with approximately 78 eligible players poked, prodded, measured, tested and put through their paces for the benefit of AFL talent scouts.
As holders of the second overall pick in November’s draft, Richmond director of football Greg Miller and the recruiting team are leaving no stone unturned as they pore over test results and talk to prospective draftees.
“It’s a great three days to see the very best kids at their trade,” Miller said between player interviews on Thursday.
“It’s a busy three days, but a very enjoyable three days.
“This is an opportunity to see the athletic and personality types of the guys that we’ve viewed during the year.
“We’ve picked about 25 players to interview, we’ll get all the physical testing results, all the psychological results, all the medical tests – everything – and it’s all just extra information to add to the armoury of the things we’ve seen during the year.”
Clubs are notoriously coy about the individuals that they covet in the annual talent parade and Richmond is no different, but Miller did paint a broad picture of some areas the club will look to address, both through the draft and the trade period.
“We recognise that we need, perhaps, some more size on our backline,” he says.
“We recognise that we need, probably, some more defensive pressure and you can never get enough midfielders. The media tells us we need more ruckmen and I guess there’s probably 12 clubs in the competition who would like a bit more depth in that area.
“We had a bad run of injuries in that area this year, but the way Adam Pattison stood up, the way Angus Graham played and, of course, having Troy Simmonds back next year are all advantages in that area.”
The camp also offers a rare opportunity for all the decision makers across the 16 clubs to be in the same place and begin informal talks ahead of the trade period that starts on October 8.
While some clubs are wary of the player exchange process, Miller believes the trade period is a valuable tool, if used wisely, and can add quality to the club’s list.
“Richmond has always been a player in that,” he said, “we’ve picked up Graham Polak, Nathan Brown, Troy Simmonds and Kane Johnson in the last four years, and they are all very good players for our footy club.
“This year will be no different; we’re looking for some quality to add to our list. We are also seeing what the fallout is from the Chris Judd deal; we don’t know that yet but we don’t expect there to be any fallout.
“We’re at the least, I guess, a party to listening to what’s happening at the moment.
“We’re not expecting anything to materialise, we’re just an interested bystander in some ways and yet in another way, I guess, both Carlton and West Coast will be interested in where we stand.”
The silly season of rumoured trade proposals and player movements is well and truly upon us but, apart from a stated interest in the Judd negotiations, Miller isn’t about to fan the flames by naming any of the experienced AFL players that are on his radar.
“We’re out talking to uncontracted players,” is all he said when asked about possible targets.
“The indignity of being on the bottom of the ladder and what you suffer from that through the year, the one … payback is that you get first choice in the pre-season draft.
“So we can be out talking to clubs about players now knowing that we’ve got that leverage of getting a very good uncontracted player.
“Also we’ve got some draft choices that we will consider our options with, particularly our second-round choices, and we’ll weigh up see what’s on offer there as well.”
The Tigers are up and about as the annual hunt for the brightest and best talent kicks into high gear with the draft camp and trade week over the next two weeks, but despite all the different people involved and all the work put in, it all boils down to a pretty simple philosophy for Miller.
“We’re on the lookout for quality players,” he said.
“We’ll add quality to our list and with the experience [our young guys] are gradually getting each year, we’re only going to get better.”






 
Miller looks to bolster backline

5:58 PM Thu 4 October, 2007 | Back
By Jason Phelan
for richmondfc.com.au




news detail


THE NAB AFL Draft Camp is in full swing at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra and the Richmond delegation is right in the thick of things trying to identify the next big star to rise at Tigerland.
The camp has become one of the most important facets of the young talent identification process with approximately 78 eligible players poked, prodded, measured, tested and put through their paces for the benefit of AFL talent scouts.
As holders of the second overall pick in November’s draft, Richmond director of football Greg Miller and the recruiting team are leaving no stone unturned as they pore over test results and talk to prospective draftees.
“It’s a great three days to see the very best kids at their trade,” Miller said between player interviews on Thursday.
“It’s a busy three days, but a very enjoyable three days.
“This is an opportunity to see the athletic and personality types of the guys that we’ve viewed during the year.
“We’ve picked about 25 players to interview, we’ll get all the physical testing results, all the psychological results, all the medical tests – everything – and it’s all just extra information to add to the armoury of the things we’ve seen during the year.”
Clubs are notoriously coy about the individuals that they covet in the annual talent parade and Richmond is no different, but Miller did paint a broad picture of some areas the club will look to address, both through the draft and the trade period.
“We recognise that we need, perhaps, some more size on our backline,” he says.
“We recognise that we need, probably, some more defensive pressure and you can never get enough midfielders. The media tells us we need more ruckmen and I guess there’s probably 12 clubs in the competition who would like a bit more depth in that area.
“We had a bad run of injuries in that area this year, but the way Adam Pattison stood up, the way Angus Graham played and, of course, having Troy Simmonds back next year are all advantages in that area.”
The camp also offers a rare opportunity for all the decision makers across the 16 clubs to be in the same place and begin informal talks ahead of the trade period that starts on October 8.
While some clubs are wary of the player exchange process, Miller believes the trade period is a valuable tool, if used wisely, and can add quality to the club’s list.
“Richmond has always been a player in that,” he said, “we’ve picked up Graham Polak, Nathan Brown, Troy Simmonds and Kane Johnson in the last four years, and they are all very good players for our footy club.
“This year will be no different; we’re looking for some quality to add to our list. We are also seeing what the fallout is from the Chris Judd deal; we don’t know that yet but we don’t expect there to be any fallout.
“We’re at the least, I guess, a party to listening to what’s happening at the moment.
“We’re not expecting anything to materialise, we’re just an interested bystander in some ways and yet in another way, I guess, both Carlton and West Coast will be interested in where we stand.”
The silly season of rumoured trade proposals and player movements is well and truly upon us but, apart from a stated interest in the Judd negotiations, Miller isn’t about to fan the flames by naming any of the experienced AFL players that are on his radar.
“We’re out talking to uncontracted players,” is all he said when asked about possible targets.
“The indignity of being on the bottom of the ladder and what you suffer from that through the year, the one … payback is that you get first choice in the pre-season draft.
“So we can be out talking to clubs about players now knowing that we’ve got that leverage of getting a very good uncontracted player.
“Also we’ve got some draft choices that we will consider our options with, particularly our second-round choices, and we’ll weigh up see what’s on offer there as well.”
The Tigers are up and about as the annual hunt for the brightest and best talent kicks into high gear with the draft camp and trade week over the next two weeks, but despite all the different people involved and all the work put in, it all boils down to a pretty simple philosophy for Miller.
“We’re on the lookout for quality players,” he said.
“We’ll add quality to our list and with the experience [our young guys] are gradually getting each year, we’re only going to get better.”








Rance and Silvestor. Maybe Willets from Port.
 

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Don't think rance is worth pick 2 - more like morton (although he isn't that big).

If we keep pick 2, the chances of us picking anyone other Kruezer and Cotchin is absolutely fanciful.

Not a chance in hell of anyone else being drafted with pick 2.
 
Three things concern me about Gregs comments:
First - Quote "we recognise the need for defensive pressure- this statement confirms that fact that we have spoken to Byrnes as this was the basis of our enquiry. Should we trade for these type of players or should every player on your list apply defensive pressure when they play the game.

This should be the culture of our playing group. Hats off to the pies, there defensive pressure and pressure all around the ground is first rate! Thats what is expected from them by the coaching staff. Why cant this be our approach rather than wasting our second round selection on a fringe player.

Secondly: I hope I am wrong but it would seem that we are hell bent on trading our second round pick (Pick 19), on a number of times we have said that we will trade it, why? IF there is not a suitable deal lets use it.

I believe you need to approach draft camp/draft with your eyes wide open and the belief that you would utilise your 3 selections that you have in the top 20. And if in Trade week an opportunity presents, where you have the ability to trade for a player that has a future ie wood, polak etc then you would deal. At the moment our mindset is to trade this pick??? We need to compare who would likely be available at 19 and trade this off against the proposed player ie Byrnes:thumbsd:, wood:thumbsu:

Lets not forget we picked up Patto (16) at Polo (20) within the top 20.

Thirdly: Not recognising the need for a ruckmen and thinking that Angus Graham is more than suitable. We have not got a tap ruck man, I dont know if Greg watched many games this year but when Shane Tuck is doing some of the ruck work and your second ruckman is Polak surely that is telling you that you lack depth in this area.

I dont want us to trade pick 19 for a fringe player! More than happy to trade if for a Wood type player but if that opportunity does not present itself we then need to keep adding to our list via the draft.
I believe the top 20 will provide us with a great opportunity to pick up a talented youngster ie another Polo or Patto.

I hope I am reading too much into this. Just dont like the mindset.
 
Three things concern me about Gregs comments:
First - Quote "we recognise the need for defensive pressure- this statement confirms that fact that we have spoken to Byrnes as this was the basis of our enquiry. Should we trade for these type of players or should every player on your list apply defensive pressure when they play the game.

This should be the culture of our playing group. Hats off to the pies, there defensive pressure and pressure all around the ground is first rate! Thats what is expected from them by the coaching staff. Why cant this be our approach rather than wasting our second round selection on a fringe player.

Secondly: I hope I am wrong but it would seem that we are hell bent on trading our second round pick (Pick 19), on a number of times we have said that we will trade it, why? IF there is not a suitable deal lets use it.

I believe you need to approach draft camp/draft with your eyes wide open and the belief that you would utilise your 3 selections that you have in the top 20. And if in Trade week an opportunity presents, where you have the ability to trade for a player that has a future ie wood, polak etc then you would deal. At the moment our mindset is to trade this pick??? We need to compare who would likely be available at 19 and trade this off against the proposed player ie Byrnes:thumbsd:, wood:thumbsu:

Lets not forget we picked up Patto (16) at Polo (20) within the top 20.

Thirdly: Not recognising the need for a ruckmen and thinking that Angus Graham is more than suitable. We have not got a tap ruck man, I dont know if Greg watched many games this year but when Shane Tuck is doing some of the ruck work and your second ruckman is Polak surely that is telling you that you lack depth in this area.

I dont want us to trade pick 19 for a fringe player! More than happy to trade if for a Wood type player but if that opportunity does not present itself we then need to keep adding to our list via the draft.
I believe the top 20 will provide us with a great opportunity to pick up a talented youngster ie another Polo or Patto.

I hope I am reading too much into this. Just dont like the mindset.


Not a bad post - well done!

Firstly I think its very hard to draw much from this story - Miller has the knack of all great politicians to talk a lot but say nothing at the same time (the Alexander Downer special).

Secondly the things he did commit too weren't all that spectacular 'a quality backman' - I have heard similar things from most of the other clubs so either there are 16+ quality backman going around their is a lot of pie in the sky talk going on. Assuming the 'midfielders' comment means cotchin @ pick 2 - then perhaps he is refering to collier/pears later on. The other point is that 'forwards' and 'backman' at U18 level are a fairly expedient description ie. Most forwards once drafted will play down back at some stage of there development and may well stay there for the rest of their careers so he could really be talking about any KPP.

I agree completely on your point about picks 18/19 and our preoccupation with giving one away... but to give him the benefit of the doubt perhaps miller is just fishing for some offers from other clubs to see what is out there.


Not sure what you are saying about the ruck situation - do you think we should draft with 18 or 19 for a ruckman than?

Wood for pick 18 or 19 would be a great trade and provide us with another type of ruckman... a lot of people seem to assume that by drafting bellchambers at 18 we are solving the ruck problem but I don't really understand the logic of this because:
(a) From what I saw at the champs he really didn't look that great.
(b) At absolute best he isn't going to contribute to the team for at least 2 seasons - Look at Hamish McIntosh at the Roos drafted in 2002 and took 4 seasons to contribute to the first team.
I am all for looking at a ruck prospect somewhere later down the draft but I think there will be better options at 18 or 19.
 

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Rance and Silvestor. Maybe Willets from Port.

how are we meant to get rance?

will go between 5-10 and we have nothing of value to get a pick in that area, would love to get him though

lol at silvester the guy is a hack, too slow and has a woeful kick
 
I dont think we should waste pick 18 or19 on Bellchambers. However in every draft there are sliders and this year it could be Vezempri etc etc and if we give up our PP and 19 we wont get a chance.
We should only trade our PP or 19 for a player like Wood mould.
 

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I have a feeling that with Richmond having talks with the Eagles that we are seriously thinking about trading pick 2 for Judd.

I wouldnt be suprised if Morton is somehow included in the package.
 
my brain hurts thinking of all the possible permutations.

As soon as you settle on one theme, WHACK! another comes and slaps you around! :eek:

fullback, ruck and mids. these are our needs.

We must use our first round pick(s) on class. Whether or not thats a back, ruck or mid they just have to ooze class.

i would prefer Mids early then talls and ruckmen later.

then comes our PSD. Once the ND is over we must use the PSD and Rookie picks to get what we did'nt in the ND.

1 way to approach this time of year is to work backwards from the rookie draft.

any possible ruckman rookies out there that might slip through? if so theres one ruckman.

who's the best out of contract player avail in PSD? is he a ruck (Wood,Meesen,Hudson)? if so we don't need to rookie one. Is he a small (Hooper,Morton) if not we should rookie a ruckman etc etc

then the ND, and we all know how much of a drain that can get, but we should definately look at getting more first round picks especially because we are perfectly positioned to barter ourselves a good deal. Miller would be in heaven right now. OUCH...

my brain starting to hurt again :D
 

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