Mitchell Thorp

[Woewooden Spoon08]

Not sure if anyone has discussed him here as a trade propersition.

He had huge raps on him when he was drafted out of Tasmania 2 years ago. Would have had some nice development of two years in the VFL behind him now so would have to be close to AFL ready next year.

I havent seen enough of him to really know a value. Id be worried that he hasnt played many games yet but hes behind a very long list of forwards at Hawthorn and in the near future would struggle to get a game especially with their interest in Ryan O'Keefe.

Prehaps he may be used as part of the Ryan O'Keefe bid from the Hawks but if he was available id be very keen to lure him to Melbourne. To have Watts and Thorpe roaming the forward line together for years to come may really set us up.

"IF" i were to make a guess at a reasonable trade that could satisfy Hawthorn i would suggest:

1) we trade Brad Green and swap 3rd rounder's with Hawthorn for Thorpe or
2) we trade Green and if needed Jamar to someone like Collingwood/St.Kilda for their first rounder (if possible) and on sell it to Hawthorn so they can use it in the Ryan O'Keefe deal.

Thoughts?

 

[whelan=legend]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Would be pretty hard to get him... VERY highly rated by the hawks supporters. Green + pick 19 might do the trick, and even though it seems alot believe me i'd be all for it.

Thorp will be a gun, he is exactly what we need.

 

[booshboy]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

yeahh i've been keen on getting him for ages but i think he had a few injuries this year and that's why he didn't crack into the Hawks lineup, but yeahh would like to see Melbourne enquire about his services.

 

[Beats]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

I'd take him, but he signed a contract this year iirc.
Would also take a fair bit to get him, however if 19 + a surplus player got it done I'd take him.

At 19 we'd be potentially looking to draft Cornelius if available and Thorp > Cornelius.

 

[Mean Muggin]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

He has played one game and kicked one goal.

As mentioned, will be pretty hard to get him. I'm not sure we can even trade him as we have recently signed him and believe there is some rule against trading players after they just signed a deal?

 

[demonz]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

the Hawks are shopping him around!!! if he agrees the trade can be done!!!

 

[Mr Consistent]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

With regard to Thorp, I would be the first to say that I have not seen him much in the flesh, but he appears to be someone that would help us structurally going forward. He is young enough and would be ideal to build a forward line with (presuming that Hawthorns rating of him is accurate).

It was mentioned breifly on SEN that Sydney might get Hawthorns pick 16 and this guy (or Muston or other player) for O'Keef.

If that is a possible outcome, I reckon we lon in pick 17 or 19 for Thorp and then Hawks can trade either both picks to Sydney (which you think Syndey might take to give them flexibility and youth) or Hawks might be able to keep a top 20 pick and trade another player to Sydney with the other pick.

 

[Bails2008]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

I think this is the only bloke worth pick 19 IMO. Why we persist with the Warnock for 19 I dont know. Maybe if he was asking for $200k but not for the ridiculous price on his head. Thorp at 19 would be a great get. He has spent time in the system and you would think would be ready to play senior football this year. This is the one player I think we should be going after. Prismall at 35 maybe a good get if his knee is good but this player fits our youth policy.

Who will we trade for picks though? You get the feeling that we will trade players for 2nd and 3rd rounders. Who should we trade?

 

[Mr Consistent]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

I agree, he has to be worth pick 19 over Warnock.
Not sure who else we can trade. Green and Wheatley discussed and have some currency now, so if we dont trade either now, you would think they are finishing their careers with us. (not all bad I know!)
Thorp and Watts in 2010 would be a very youthful and solid forward line you would hope. Add in some other forwards like Maric and Sylvia, Davey and Wonna we are looking a lot better there. Back line looks like it has potential to develop to something pretty good and mids are young and we will keep drafting them. Prismall in the PSD or later pick would be ideal for 2010 too given his knee will take time and should be looked after.

Most of us agree that next year will be a development year again (another painful year) but if so, things will look ok following this as the young guys should get lots of opportunity.

Thorp is my main hope this draft. Warnock can come via the PSD if he wants though.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

I agree, he has to be worth pick 19 over Warnock.
Not sure who else we can trade. Green and Wheatley discussed and have some currency now, so if we dont trade either now, you would think they are finishing their careers with us. (not all bad I know!)

Hawthorn were one of the main interested partys with Green yesterday

I'd do a straight swap Green for Thorp, people might think it's overs but Throp's minimum value is a top 20 pick & Green's rated about the same, given their ages and subsequent talent and possible returns, i think's pretty fair.

 

[Bails2008]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

That would be reasonable. As great as Brad has been we need to build for the future. A forwardline of Watts and Thorp has potential to be very good. I think it would be fair to say we are unlikely to get a better prospect at 19 than Thorp.

 

[Mr Consistent]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

I also think it would give this board, and other Melbourne faithful, some hope.
Its about time we did something strong in trade week.

 

[Mr Consistent]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

 

[Main Man]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

You can have Mitchell Thorpe for nothing cause I'm not even sure of who he is, but Mitchell Thorp on the other hand is not going anywhere!

 

[SA HAWK]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

If hawthorn have any sense thorp and roughy will be our chf and chb for the next 7-8 years.

 

[Woewooden Spoon08]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

You can have Mitchell Thorpe for nothing cause I'm not even sure of who he is, but Mitchell Thorp on the other hand is not going anywhere!

Sorry, guess they spell Thorp differently down in tassie.

Got big plans for him down at Box Hill next year have you?

He must become a key defender then because if you get O'Keefe there is simply no room for him in the forward line.

 

[SA HAWK]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Sorry, guess they spell Thorp differently down in tassie.

Got big plans for him down at Box Hill next year have you?

He must become a key defender then because if you get O'Keefe there is simply no room for him in the forward line.

If he stays i am certain he will be chb next year. That's where they were playing him at box hill. Or roughy to chb and thorp to chf.

Why do people insist he can only play forward and we don't have room in our team for him. We definately need a key defender.

 

[Woewooden Spoon08]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Ok ive given up on Thorp now heres how i think the three way trade will go down:

Hawthorn get:
O'Keefe and Melbourne third round pick
Hawthorn lose:
First round pick and Boyle

Sydney get:
Green, Boyle and Wheatley
Sydney lose:
OKeefe and Second round pick

Melbourne get:
Hawthorn's first rounder and Sydney's second round pick
Melbourne lose:
Green, Wheatley and Third round pick

Deal done everyone is happy

 

[SA HAWK]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Ok ive given up on Thorp now heres how i think the three way trade will go down:

Hawthorn get:
O'Keefe and Melbourne 3rd round pick
Hawthorn lose:
First round pick and Boyle

Sydney get:
Green, Boyle and Wheatley
Sydney lose:
OKeefe and Second round pick

Melbourne get:
Hawthorn's first rounder and Sydney's second round pick
Melbourne lose:
Green, Wheatley and third round pick

Deal done everyone is happy

That trade i would do. Maybe even dowler but not thorp.

 

[Beats]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Ok ive given up on Thorp now heres how i think the three way trade will go down:

Hawthorn get:
O'Keefe and Melbourne third round pick
Hawthorn lose:
First round pick and Boyle

Sydney get:
Green, Boyle and Wheatley
Sydney lose:
OKeefe and Second round pick

Melbourne get:
Hawthorn's first rounder and Sydney's second round pick
Melbourne lose:
Green, Wheatley and Third round pick

Deal done everyone is happy

So...
Hawks:
O'keefe+35 = Boyle+16+34

Swans:
Green+Wheatley+Boyle = O'keefe+30

Melbourne:
16+30+34 = Green+Wheatley+35

I think that looks a bit better.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Hawthorn were one of the main interested partys with Green yesterday

I'd do a straight swap Green for Thorp, people might think it's overs but Throp's minimum value is a top 20 pick & Green's rated about the same, given their ages and subsequent talent and possible returns, i think's pretty fair.

Straight swap green for Thorp?? Hahahah Thorp is only 19 and was pick 6 in the superdraft? How old is Brad Green again?

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Straight swap green for Thorp?? Hahahah Thorp is only 19 and was pick 6 in the superdraft? How old is Brad Green again?

And how proven a player is Thorp??

It's hard to compare value of different players of age, position, experience, etc. Hawthorn has enquired about Green, do you really think that we'd accept pick 34 for him, so they'd have to be putting pick 16 on the table and a late first round pick was about where i was rating Thorp.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

And how proven a player is Thorp??

It's hard to compare value of different players of age, position, experience, etc. Hawthorn has enquired about Green, do you really think that we'd accept pick 34 for him, so they'd have to be putting pick 16 on the table and a late first round pick was about where i was rating Thorp.

Thats why we won't get Green, we won't give up our 1st rounder and there is no way you will accept pick 34 for him.. As for Thorpe he was a pick 6 and is still only 19 so thier is no way is value would have decreased that much.

 

[Pharaoh]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

And how proven a player is Thorp??

Ridiculous comment. How proven a player is Watts? Thorp has been touted as the next Matthew Pavlich when drafted at pick 6 and now has two years of elite development under his belt. Hawthorn is prepared to consider trading him only for team balance (we have an excess of key forwards) but it won't be for anything less than a top 6 draft pick, which is what we paid for him.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Re: Mitchell Thrope

Ridiculous comment. How proven a player is Watts? Thorp has been touted as the next Matthew Pavlich when drafted at pick 6 and now has two years of elite development under his belt. Hawthorn is prepared to consider trading him only for team balance (we have an excess of key forwards) but it won't be for anything less than a top 6 draft pick, which is what we paid for him.

Yes it is, that's because you've taken the comment literally and that was not how it was intended.

I said that in response to someone saying "how old is Green", to make a point that you can't just use one factor, eg age, to determine a players worth. He was devaluing Green on the basis of age, so i made a similar unthought out comment to devalue Thorp. If you read the rest of my post, which you conveniently left out of your quote, you will see that i said that i said that you need to considered a whole range of factors, they included age, experience, potential, injuries, etc. It's a huge list of things which make up a players worth.

And while i would rate Thorp of higher value then Green, if Hawthorn wanted Green then maybe they'd give up someone of higher value that they could easily cover or for "team balance".