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[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not sure why you keep on this "opposing boards" theme. My problem with what happens in these threads on team boards is that encourages trolling on the main board. I rarely post on team boards and I'm sure the pack mentality on those boards usually makes up for anything missed by mods.

Trolling team boards isn't an issue. I reckon anyone that's been here more than 5 minutes knows the boundaries. It is why the card I received on the Brisbane board was so pathetic. Actually it was straight out pettiness & childish by the mod in question.

Reality of life though. If someone posts something on your board that you can take either negatively or positively, knowing a little bit about that person's usual opinions towards your side might help you make up your mind. If you are generally objective elsewhere, you might earn the benefit of the doubt. If you are overly critical and persistent elsewhere, it appears unlikely that you are being genuine when you visit the team board.

It seems you are asking that a well cultivated reputation should be ignored every time someone makes a new post.

Carlton has a poster that has made a posting career out of skirting the boundaries and avoiding infraction, but they annoy pretty much everybody, with a lack of sincerity and well articulated discussion that can easily be taken as insult considering that person's often expressed views outside of other team boards. I understand the angst.

ODN admitted the reason for the thread on his board was to provide ammunition for fellow supporters. Where exactly do you think this 'ammunition' is intended for use?

No I didn't. I admitted the reason for the thread was to keep our frustrated posters from going elsewhere to vent their spleen, and get themselves infracted for it. Along with that same thread, I warned them not to take it to other threads or suffer the consequences.

Mod's pick and choose who to card based on their personal opinion of the person posting it - not necessarily the content of the post.

Not in general no. Mod's choose the level of punishment based on who has posted it, not whether they will take action or not. Once again, history and reputation become relevant. An objective poster will usually receive the benefit of the doubt for minor transgressions, possibly a warning or a deletion, or even a gentle nudge by way of response. Someone with an infraction history might not be so lucky. I think you will find the court system even follows this model. If we can steer people on to the desired path we usually do. Sometimes you know the poster will not be steered and that you will be back having to address them time and time again.

Of course there are always exceptions to this and mods are human too, and occasionally they might react differently to different situations. In these cases though, the poster could also have behaved differently to prevent things getting to that point in the first place.

In the end, this is an internet forum, not a vital lifestyle choice. We may never all agree, but it doesn't need to be discussed in never ending circles.

I'd suggest you accept that you object to the moderation procedures on BigFooty, we note your objection, you note that many of us will disagree with your take on things here, and it becomes one of those issues that remains unresolved. We are still alive, still breathing, the sun is out, nothing dramatic occurred. I'll take that ...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It was long before you entered the thread.

Remind me, why did you enter the thread?

You seem to need a lot of reminding of things when the answer has already been given. I have participated in moderation threads on multiple occasions, most of them with you nowhere in sight. I was offering insight into how I moderate and how we are encouraged to moderate in general. The OP wanted feedback and anybody joining in may also want feedback, otherwise it wouldn't be posted here. I was not aware that you merely required validation of your own opinions.

There's that objectivity again that you are so famous for.

What else would you call it? Questioning things that have already been answered so you can elicit a particular kind of response you can use.

So much easier to label someone a troll than it is to actually prove it . . .

Not a discussion for here, but as mentioned on multiple occasions over the years, you have admitted how much joy you get out of baiting others. Your lack of objectivity on certain issues has confirmed it to many posters, not just moderators. It's not as though I am going to waste time searching for literally hundreds of posts that paint a perfect picture when the consensus is pretty clear. I have far better things to do.

Again we have seen in this thread how quickly you can turn a civil debate into personal potshots.

You had already thrown your toys on the floor before I got here. My mistake yet again is offering advice to help you clean them up.

Just disagree with me and move on. You received feedback, you didn't like it, the thread is not for petty arguments.

 

[JeffDunne]

Explain to me how threads like this get missed : Why are St.Floodrape and <injunction> owned by such ordinary teams own them?

Yet someone get's a 'serious' infraction for posting pro-team comments on a team board . . . or being completely banned from the main board for suggesting "Bulldogs supporters are reminding me of Collingwood supporters" . . . or red-carded for questing a mod for using the term "floodrape" and in tern pointing out how childish their defence of it is.

Wheel out the . . . it's bay 13 excuse . . . the we can't see everything excuse . . . either are hardly an excuse when it's AGAIN in the thread title!

Reality is most that have been here more than 5 minutes know the reason for the inconsistencies and why BF is full of moronic discussion topics. You ODN are the epitome of it.

Move this thread to the veterans board and I'd be my left nut the overwhelming majority of long term posters agree with me.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

As I indicated, not everything is handled as it should be. You seem to be putting a sweeping broom through the whole place based on a couple of examples.

I agree with the inappropriateness of the Bay title FWIW. The Bay is an acquired taste and sometimes we have to adjust accordingly.

You throwing punches at the whole site and moderators and admins in general over a couple of instances does nobody any favours. As pointed out by Chief, you probably have been fortunate on many more occasions, so an extended discussion about one time you might have been hard done by, only serves to draw more attention to yourself.

 

[JeffDunne]

How on earth can anyone be considered 'fortunate' when nobody knows where the lines are drawn.

You are also missing the point in that most of my cards have come as a result of debating the appropriateness of such terms. Bay 13 mods think it's fine. I suspect Fred or an adult intervened once and changed the title, but clearly they still think it's acceptable.

If Admin & mods dropped their holier-than-thou attitude for 5 minutes they might actually see some people have ligit complaints. They might actually see too that some care more for the standard of debate than some so-called moderators.

Defending your team away from team boards shouldn't be the role of moderators.

Settling ego's by dishing trivial infractions shouldn't be either.

Since I'm so legendary as a troll - surely it isn't too much to ask that one of you provide an example of such?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

 

[JeffDunne]

You can find the time to post paragraphs, find the time to locate childish pictures, yet you can't spare the time to find one example of this prolific trolling I'm supposed to be famous for?

I know the search function is limited but that's a cop out if ever I saw one.

Can I ask ODN, are you more or less likely to open a thread if you see me as the last poster in it?

If the answer to that is "yes", can I ask why considering you've never given me as much as a warning let alone a card?

If you throw enough shit, some sticks.

In your case you've thrown truckloads and I suspect the opinion of others is based more on that shit thrown than anything I've posted.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You're becoming paranoid if you think I am a driving force behind your reputation. Let's stay in reality.

The reason I choose not to engage in this digging up of old posts is that I know exactly what your responses will be.

1. It was a joke
2. Is it not the truth?
3. I was just stating an opinion

Rinse, lather, repeat.

I have very specific examples in mind, but you would never ever concede what is so patently obvious to most, and I have very little patience for the same old rhetoric from you.

You made your reputation, I didn't make it for you, I hold little weight with perceptions of other mods or admins, or posters from other teams who have also called you on it ... but if it is easier to deny and blame others, feel free. I'm not the one tearing my hair out over internet injustice.

 

[JeffDunne]

You're becoming paranoid if you think I am a driving force behind your reputation.

Wrong tense.

Change 'am' with 'was'.

The reason I choose not to engage in this digging up of old posts is that I know exactly what your responses will be.

1. It was a joke
2. Is it not the truth?
3. I was just stating an opinion

Rinse, lather, repeat.

Surely it would be sufficient to point out how any of these posts contravene site or board rules?

I have very specific examples in mind, but you would never ever concede what is so patently obvious to most, and I have very little patience for the same old rhetoric from you.

So make a fool of me. It shouldn't be too hard if it's "patently obvious".

I hold little weight with perceptions of other mods or admins, or posters from other teams who have also called you on it ...

Interesting that I'm talking about the influence of team board moderators inciting trolling on the main board and you're talking about your influence on everyone other than those I think you have influence over.

Actually it's not that interesting . . . predictable would be a better description.

Predictably evasive when challenged.

I'm not the one tearing my hair out over internet injustice.

Predictably childish and condescending.

 

[pacemaker]

I see my post supporting scott mclaren on the main board was deleted. We just can't have members supporting the umpires can we?

 

[grizzlym]

I see my post supporting scott mclaren on the main board was deleted. We just can't have members supporting the umpires can we?

You mean post 10 of this thread?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18768160#post18768160

 

[pacemaker]

Bigfooty should probably merge most of the Mclaren threads.

Cheers.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Wrong tense.

Change 'am' with 'was'.

Incorrect.

Surely it would be sufficient to point out how any of these posts contravene site or board rules?

It would be if you have been infracted for them. You weren't. As pointed out earlier, there are other posters generally thought of as trolls, who masquerade their agendas as opinions. I have my point of view and I stand by it.

So make a fool of me. It shouldn't be too hard if it's "patently obvious".

Again, that is now why this thread is here and as a moderator giving feedback in a thread, it is not my business to make a fool out of you. Those that know your style can make their own judgment.

Interesting that I'm talking about the influence of team board moderators inciting trolling on the main board and you're talking about your influence on everyone other than those I think you have influence over.

It is interesting that you feel others are being incited to troll, usually in threads where you have appeared and given sweeping negative opinions about another team. This is exactly the reason why it is a pointless exercise to play your game. The denial is too strong.

 

[grizzlym]

Bigfooty should probably merge most of the Mclaren threads.

Cheers.

In the process of doing that right now.

 

[Falchoon]

2. Not surprised at all by that response.

Common sense would tell you that someone with tens of thousands of posts and never having been red carded that they have a fairly good grasp on what is acceptable and what isn't. I'd think anyone looking out for such long term customers would take that into account when a moderator feels they have made a problem post. A simple 'head up' as it were.

I had a go at someone for calling a fellow St kilda supporter ******ed, even told them to enjoy their card.

I was mildy bemused when I copped one myself.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So make a fool of me.

You do a good enough job of it yourself

 

[JeffDunne]

It would be if you have been infracted for them. You weren't. As pointed out earlier, there are other posters generally thought of as trolls, who masquerade their agendas as opinions.

'Agenda'? What possible agenda could someone have other than not liking a club or individual?

This might be a bit of a shock to you but most die-hard supporters hate all opposition teams. Common sense would tell you on a forum where all supporters are free to comment, on any given topic most opposition supporters are going to take a negative slant. Conversely, most supporters of that club are going to defend the club even against the indefensible. You should know that better than anyone.

So who determines who's a troll and who is genuinely expressing an opinion?

Seems to me the moment you touch on a mod's personal sensitivities you go from being opinionated to being a troll. Would seem too it's only a matter of time if you're here long enough.

Just a question.

I don't know much about Chief other than what he posts here. What I do know is he's very anti-religion and in particular anti-Christian.

Even casual readers of the SR&P like me would know that.

Is he a troll or simply opinionated?

I have my point of view and I stand by it.

Bit like how you've defended every decision from Carlton?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

A troll largely posts in a repetitive manner in threads in which they know they are going to elicit negative responses. They tend to try to link everything on a particular topic to something negative about the subject. Occasionally they will even stretch things to the fanciful i.e Jarrad Waite being bashed while out with his girlfriend on New Year's Eve, is a reflection of the lack of leadership at Carlton, or how pretty much anything that happens at Carlton is reflection on Kernahan, his unsuitability for the position, his friendships with white collar criminals, and his spin and unwillingness to hold a meaningless investigation into every single rumour or accusation that the media deem fit to print.

But hey, don't take my word for it. I have seen you outed for trolling by numerous posters on the boards, most of who I have never even communicated with in any way whatsoever. I'm guessing somehow they caught the vibe of me driving some agenda against you though huh?

You have a persecution complex and will point fingers at everybody else before even considering looking towards yourself.

 

[JeffDunne]

As usual, you are unable to answer a simple question so you resort to hyperbole and personal shots.

A few points :

- if being called a troll on BF is the measure then just about every poster here that posts on the main board is a troll.
- read that first paragraph of yours again and then try and tell me I'm the one with a persecution complex.
- you really need to detach your self-worth from how your team is perceived, it can't be healthy.
- look up the meaning of 'obtuse' . . . and 'projection'.
- do you really think it's that much of a stretch for someone to consistently hold the view that Carlton's management is incompetent?

Oh, and it's probably worth pointing out, if the only reason I post is to troll then you would be my most regular & prolific catch.

And you're still at it.

If I'm simply posting to troll then what does that say about you?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I never said you post just to troll. That is just something you say in an effort to play victim as per usual. However, a massive proportion of your posts in relation to some teams degenerate into criticisms where none are particularly necessary. For someone to merely want to participate in discussion, you would think they would be able to concede points in the interest of objectivity. You lack this ability by and large. Anybody that disagrees with you is accused of spin and blind defence. You concede hatred for certain teams and you post accordingly, however you claim your posts are not borne out of hatred.

Yes, yes, if you are trolling, then I rise to that trolling, but then again, a victim of a troll doesn't know they are being trolled, so at least I know what I am responding to. You clearly lack balance in your posting, so I took it upon myself to provide balance so your over the top views and opinions are not considered gospel by others who are not so knowledgeable.

Again I ask you why so many have had shots at you for trolling, and yet you are trying to reduce it to just me?

Possibly just trying to take centre stage once more and bore us to death with your denials based on technicalities. Some posters make an art form on only posting enough to provide plausible deniability when called on it. It doesn't make their intent any less true however.

I defend my team, yes. You attack it consistently whatever the topic. I don't attack your team but I note you are want to defend your team if attacked. Not sure what it says about me, but I know I don't get joy from my internet persona spreading unbalanced propaganda about other supporter's football teams. I am comfortable with that.

Seems like BigFooty karma came back to bite you and you are struggling to deal with it like most posters do, and instead want to blame everybody and everything. Also seems that nobody is buying it.

 

[Chief]

Seems to me the moment you touch on a mod's personal sensitivities you go from being opinionated to being a troll. Would seem too it's only a matter of time if you're here long enough.

Just a question.

I don't know much about Chief other than what he posts here. What I do know is he's very anti-religion and in particular anti-Christian.

Even casual readers of the SR&P like me would know that.

Is he a troll or simply opinionated?

Chalk and cheese.

I've even asked Moo, a Christian, to pull me up if he thinks I'm trolling. He's said he's fine with the way I present my opinions in SRP.

Quite different to your situation in which the majority (including mods) see many of your contributions as insincere, flame-bait and trolling. They harm threads, taking them off track into negative exchanges rather than normal discussions of footy. The user complaints over the years speak for themselves.

You have no defence here, but feel free to carry on arguing until I pull the plug on your account thus putting an end to the time-sink that this issue has become.

 

[Kram]

I find it funny that the people that cause the most trouble are almost always the ones doing the most complaining.

 

[pacemaker]

Not me

 

[MaccaKnowsBest]

Interesting discussion. Would read again

 

[sherb]

And FWIW, I bet if I searched the term "JeffDunne" on both the Collingwood & Carlton boards I bet there's a heap of threads bagging me personally.

Well, that's hardly a surprise. You posted excessively and continuously about Carlton on the main board for years.

In fact, I'd be amazed if you didn't have between 5,000 - 10,000 posts about Carlton alone on this site.

No wonder you drew attention to yourself and attracted criticism. It isn't rocket science.

If you posted anywhere near as prolifically about Collingwood the same principle applies.