Moira Deeming v John Pesutto

[Frank Bunn]

Unlikely it would have blown over quickly. He would have been whacked constantly by Labor if he allowed her to stay in the party. It ended up being a no win situation for him

The story went dead for about 18 months. He's a politician with staffers to come up with a statement. Lay it on thick that the party condemns the actions of the Nazis at that rally, and some other words concerning Deeming and women's safety, similar to his apology to Kellie-Jay Keen and Angie Jones.

"I agree with them that genuine community concerns regarding women's safety and access to single-sex spaces, services and sport warrant meaningful public discussion".

 

[MPMonkeys]

Pesutto has to resign. If his judgement is so bad that he thought not settling was a good idea, then he has no place being a potential Premier of Victoria.

Great victory for common-sense.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Surprised that Deeming won her defamation action but when thinking about it the statement that Deeming was "unfit to be a member of the Victorian Liberals" was always going to be tough for Pesutto to defend given the standards (or lack there of) in the Victorian Liberals.

 

[Jascave]

Wouldn't be surprised if a leadership challenge against John Pesutto was held in the New Year.

I reckon the candidates will come from the following:
LIKELY
-Sam Groth
-Brad Battin
-Josh Frydenberg

LONGSHOTS:
-Matthew Guy
-Peta Credlin
-Jeff Kennett
-Peter Costello

 

[The Punter]

Pesutto has to resign. If his judgement is so bad that he thought not settling was a good idea, then he has no place being a potential Premier of Victoria.

Great victory for common-sense.

One of Mrs Deeming's conditions for settling as an unconditional return to the party room. One cannot agree to a condition in a settlement that one cannot give. No one has ever unconditionally sat in the Liberal Party Room. A settlement was impossible due to the demands made.

 

[Ivelisse]

lol bye John.

LNP to crumble yet again.

Victorian Liberal leader vows to stay on after defamation suit loss

Moira Deeming brought the lawsuit against John Pesutto, alleging the Liberal Party leader had defamed her as a Nazi sympathiser in the wake of an anti-trans rights rally.

www.abc.net.au

Extremely poor judgment by Pesutto. The incident would have quickly blown over but instead he gave it oxygen by attempting to kick Deeming out of the party and now it looks like he will have step down because he defamed her.

Pesutto has to resign. If his judgement is so bad that he thought not settling was a good idea, then he has no place being a potential Premier of Victoria.

Great victory for common-sense.

bye? step down? resign? Pesutto isn't going to do any of those polls have his party winning

 

[Not Important]

One of Mrs Deeming's conditions for settling as an unconditional return to the party room. One cannot agree to a condition in a settlement that one cannot give. No one has ever unconditionally sat in the Liberal Party Room. A settlement was impossible due to the demands made.

but but peta begs to differ. think in her email exchange, she said moira was leadership material.

we live in interesting times. get out the popcorn

 

[Saint]

The conservatives weren't going to stop white-anting, this just gives them slightly more ammunition. There's a long way to the election. The only way any voter remembers this is if the Conservative Libs keep bringing it up.

If the Conservative Libs gain control, they'll lose. But it does seem to me that this wing of the party would rather lose while in control than win with a moderate at the helm, so they'll probably just keep going.

One day they might even take a break to have a crack at the Government who are doing a terrible job.

 

[hawkman]

The conservatives weren't going to stop white-anting, this just gives them slightly more ammunition. There's a long way to the election. The only way any voter remembers this is if the Conservative Libs keep bringing it up.

If the Conservative Libs gain control, they'll lose. But it does seem to me that this wing of the party would rather lose while in control than win with a moderate at the helm, so they'll probably just keep going.

One day they might even take a break to have a crack at the Government who are doing a terrible job.

They could almost use this to appeal to the moderate voters that this is what they are willing to do to remove the extremes from their party.

It won't happen though, this will be enough to get some to turn to claim his scalp

 

[MPMonkeys]

The conservatives weren't going to stop white-anting, this just gives them slightly more ammunition. There's a long way to the election. The only way any voter remembers this is if the Conservative Libs keep bringing it up.

If the Conservative Libs gain control, they'll lose. But it does seem to me that this wing of the party would rather lose while in control than win with a moderate at the helm, so they'll probably just keep going.

One day they might even take a break to have a crack at the Government who are doing a terrible job.

Moderates have been at the helm for a decade and they just keep losing. Nobody wants to vote for Labor Lite.

 

[The Punter]

Moderates have been at the helm for a decade and they just keep losing. Nobody wants to vote for Labor Lite.

Were those the moderates who thought a winning election strategy in Victoria was running on African Crime Gangs and opposition to the Safe Schools Program?

 

[MPMonkeys]

They could almost use this to appeal to the moderate voters that this is what they are willing to do to remove the extremes from their party.

It won't happen though, this will be enough to get some to turn to claim his scalp

LOL - A conservative is not an 'extremist'.
They have been trying to appeal to 'moderates' for a decade. Its been an abject failure.

Same people who want a moderate as leader would have rather Matt Kean over Peter Dutton federally.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Were those the moderates who thought a winning election strategy in Victoria was running on African Crime Gangs and opposition to the Safe Schools Program?

IMO, they prosecuted it poorly.

Conservatives do not win government by moving left. They win by staying true to their core beliefs and being strong.
That may have worked in past years but not anymore. Times have changed.

 

[peetoo]

IMO, they prosecuted it poorly.

Conservatives do not win government by moving left. They win by staying true to their core beliefs and being strong.
That may have worked in past years but not anymore. Times have changed.

By participating in creating the now difficult route to ‘aspirational’ of much of the younger generations, they have sealed their slow (but noisy) decline to irrelevancy

 

[The Punter]

IMO, they prosecuted it poorly.

Conservatives do not win government by moving left. They win by staying true to their core beliefs and being strong.
That may have worked in past years but not anymore. Times have changed.

So a different explanation. According to you, in 2018 we were sufficiently conservative for your liking but "prosecuted it poorly".

Also, and it is worth mentioning, the Liberal Party (given that name by a Victorian for a reason) has always included members and parliamentarians who are not conservatives. These have included Rupert Hamer, Jeff Kennett and Ted Baillieu, who were socially moderate if not progressive and, not to put too finer a point, the only three Liberal leaders to win a state election in the last 50 years.

 

[Saint]

IMO, they prosecuted it poorly.

Conservatives do not win government by moving left. They win by staying true to their core beliefs and being strong.
That may have worked in past years but not anymore. Times have changed.

Conservative core beliefs used to be focused on small-Government and that's about it. Their strength was traditionally in fiscal management.

The last campaigns have been run on social issues and opposing progress for oppositions' sake. While the Govt ran on getting stuff done.

The LNP will succeed in the next election based on the precarious fiscal position Victoria will be in (worse before it gets better it seems).

If the LNP run the next campaign on social issues, they'll get trounced again. Most Victorians don't really care about the Government all that much. But they do not like being told what they can and cannot do by religious zealots.

I don't think the last two Vic campaigns have been centrist from the LNP. I think they've been extremely socially conservative and too centrist on fiscal policy. They should have torn SRL to pieces. Instead they were talking about spending the same amount, but on hospitals instead of roads/trains.

Given how gung-ho they were about hospitals, you'd have thought it would be an acute problem by now?

 

[The Punter]

Mr Pesutto is not resigning, by the way.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So a different explanation. According to you, in 2018 we were sufficiently conservative for your liking but "prosecuted it poorly".

Also, and it is worth mentioning, the Liberal Party (given that name by a Victorian for a reason) has always included members and parliamentarians who are not conservatives. These have included Rupert Hamer, Jeff Kennett and Ted Baillieu, who were socially moderate if not progressive and, not to put too finer a point, the only three Liberal leaders to win a state election in the last 50 years.

They were sufficiently conservative on some issues but on others they were not, which IMO meant the messaging got confused as to what they stood for.
I take your point on Hamer and Baillieu (disagree with Kennett) but world has changed since then.

Respect your opinion as you are closer to the coal-face than me.

 

[Jane Doe]

Its sad for the state of Victoria that there is not a strong opposition in this state. Its badly needed. The state government know that they don't get held accountable by the opposition.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Conservative core beliefs used to be focused on small-Government and that's about it. Their strength was traditionally in fiscal management.

The last campaigns have been run on social issues and opposing progress for oppositions' sake. While the Govt ran on getting stuff done.

The LNP will succeed in the next election based on the precarious fiscal position Victoria will be in (worse before it gets better it seems).

If the LNP run the next campaign on social issues, they'll get trounced again. Most Victorians don't really care about the Government all that much. But they do not like being told what they can and cannot do by religious zealots.

I don't think the last two Vic campaigns have been centrist from the LNP. I think they've been extremely socially conservative and too centrist on fiscal policy. They should have torn SRL to pieces. Instead they were talking about spending the same amount, but on hospitals instead of roads/trains.

Given how gung-ho they were about hospitals, you'd have thought it would be an acute problem by now?

Nobody believes the religious zealots nonsense. The only one would be Finn but he was a non factor in terms of ultimate decision making.
Just because someone goes to church does not make them a 'zealot'.

 

[The Punter]

They were sufficiently conservative on some issues but on others they were not, which IMO meant the messaging got confused as to what they stood for.
I take your point on Hamer and Baillieu (disagree with Kennett) but world has changed since then.

Respect your opinion as you are closer to the coal-face than me.

Jeff came within a whisker of legalising marijiuana in his second term. He also led the national response from the right in opposition to Pauline Hanson. Socially he was at least centrist, where the vast majority of Victorians are as well.

I hope we spend the next two years talking about economic issues, but I've made this point in places where the point needs to be made.

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[PJays]

Pesutto gets eviscerated in a scathing judgement.

You can't unreasonably smear people with damaging nonsense, without evidence and facts on your side.

Imagine that? Words have consequences.

And hopefully this reverses the ridiculous trend where politicians are scared of campaigning on issues they believe in, simply because a handful of bad actors want to partake. Almost every protest has some people there who hold offensive views.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I'm really surprised by the judgment. Every time I watched an hour of the trial here or there, Pesutto's lawyer was dominating, while Deeming's was getting stuck in tangents and whataboutisms, and needed help from the judge in circling back to her argument on multiple occasions.

Clearly the performance of the lawyers isn't reflected in the judgment.

 

[Sttew]

Mr Pesutto is not resigning, by the way.

Timing of the judgment is kind. Parliament has finished, Christmas around the corner. New year beckons.

The conundrum will be when Moira asks to be readmitted to the LP. She says she has done nothing wrong. I disagree; she has bagged Pesutto today and aired dirty laundry.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Conservative core beliefs used to be focused on small-Government and that's about it. Their strength was traditionally in fiscal management.

The last campaigns have been run on social issues and opposing progress for oppositions' sake. While the Govt ran on getting stuff done.

The LNP will succeed in the next election based on the precarious fiscal position Victoria will be in (worse before it gets better it seems).

If the LNP run the next campaign on social issues, they'll get trounced again. Most Victorians don't really care about the Government all that much. But they do not like being told what they can and cannot do by religious zealots.

I don't think the last two Vic campaigns have been centrist from the LNP. I think they've been extremely socially conservative and too centrist on fiscal policy. They should have torn SRL to pieces. Instead they were talking about spending the same amount, but on hospitals instead of roads/trains.

Given how gung-ho they were about hospitals, you'd have thought it would be an acute problem by now?

They do have to keep the infrastructure build going. 10 plus years of work you could say was well overdue. Stopping that will just set us back.

Mr Pesutto is not resigning, by the way.

No but a knife will be in waiting. Probably getting sharpened as we speak.

Jeff came within a whisker of legalising marijiuana in his second term. He also led the national response from the right in opposition to Pauline Hanson. Socially he was at least centrist, where the vast majority of Victorians are as well.

I hope we spend the next two years talking about economic issues, but I've made this point in places where the point needs to be made.

It would not be bad idea to do such now.

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Victoria has shifted more progressive since Jeff. Labor has the advantage of 2 years before the next election. The current economic environment will change by then.