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What's the most impressive & reliable component of our team?

Forwards?
Midfield?
Defenders?
Bench players?

& also throw in your opinion of our most vulnerable/weakest =)
 
Forward line is easily the best aspect of our team. ROK, Davis, Hall, O'Loughlin, Schneider with the ability to float Goodes up there.

Midfield needs extra bit of pace and class (apart from Goodes) but it is hard working and very competitive.

Ruck is pretty good pending on Spidas fitness. Jolly will hopefully feel less pressure as 2nd ruck.

Defence. We have 2 top range medium defenders in the league and generate superb run out of the backline through Tadhg. Still to be reliable we need a big bodied defender to take on the gorilla FFs.

Bench. Good runners and ball carriers in Fosdike/Crouch, Jolly as a back up ruckman is okay but will need to pull his finger out. Extra tall in Ted to fill gaps up forward and defence. It's decent enough.
 
id say forwards and backs have as much influence as each other, very competitive midfield, probably best, or top3 competitive midfields, good players who can play interchangable positions and roles within the game at the flick of a wrist
 

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Jeffers1984 said:
Defence. We have 2 top range medium defenders in the league and generate superb run out of the backline through Tadhg. Still to be reliable we need a big bodied defender to take on the gorilla FFs.
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fully agreed. lacking a mal michael basically =) i was hoping we'd somehow get him, hoping in vain of course! =P

i say we just feed vogues KFC every nite heheh but its amazing how our defenders play undersized & do it so well so often. our "goals against" record has been very impressive in recent years.
 
I'd say the backs would be the most impressive given the size difference that the boys have to compete with. It's a given that we have a first class forward line but it's the boys up the back especially the HB's which create the counter attack. How awesome is it to see the Swannies create something out of nothing from their defensive 50 which is something most teams forget about.

The one that stands out the most is the winning goal that MOL scored vs WCE at Subi in the finals. And that was thru heavy traffic. And to the opposition's peril as they always forget they are super quick flying back.
 
Obviously our forward line is the most impressive. Arguably the best forward line in the competition. Do i need to say more?

Our weakest: Midfield and our defence.

Midfield is the weakest, or what Brett Kirk likes to call it 'Ford Cortinas'. We don't have enough pace to run around the ground, but having said that, there are some players who can be damaging if let alone running lose. Eg. Goodes, Buchanan. But we still lack something, in which i can't put my finger on. Can someone help me? :confused:

Defence is also another big problem. Height it a very big issue, and we don't really have 'excellent' defenders. IMO, Craig is probably the best, strongest and smartest defender. Leo Barry is declining and his height is a big problem. I mean, the height is probably why I put defence as weak. LRT is still in and out. HOWEVER, in saying that, the last two weeks our defence is improving alot, which is evident in SS's voting thingy. Add in Eski and Tadhg, we've seen it so many times. When the ball gets turned over in our defensive 50, tadhg or the Eski would run through the corridor, with great passages of play and turn it int a goal. We've seen it countless of times, and it has happened last week against Richmond. How damaging a turn over can be for the oppositon! :D
 
IMHO the greatest strength of our team would be the forward line. Even in the most dour games, they can crack a team in 5 mins if given the chance. They really are the division that pulled us up into Grand Final territory. There's a lot of elite defensive groups out there (Geelong for example) that haven't got near a Grand Final for lack TNT at the other end of the ground. So the Forwards get the "impressive" tag for me.

But without a doubt the most "reliable" division would be the defenders. Even when we play poorly, they usually do their job. :thumbsu:

Coming off the back of two successive Grand Finals I don't think I'm a smug bastard to suggest we don't have a particularly "weak" area. However, our midfield has a tendency to become very defensive against the elite midfield groups. This isn't a failing on their part. But whilst our Forward line could arguably be the best in football on its day, I think it's fair to say our midfield isn't quite in that category. But I'm proud of what they've done, and can't really fault them for looking negative against the likes of Judd, Kerr, Cousins and the like. :o
 
Tuco said:
IMHO the greatest strength of our team would be the forward line. Even in the most dour games, they can crack a team in 5 mins if given the chance. They really are the division that pulled us up into Grand Final territory. There's a lot of elite defensive groups out there (Geelong for example) that haven't got near a Grand Final for lack TNT at the other end of the ground. So the Forwards get the "impressive" tag for me.

But without a doubt the most "reliable" division would be the defenders. Even when we play poorly, they usually do their job. :thumbsu:

Coming off the back of two successive Grand Finals I don't think I'm a smug bastard to suggest we don't have a particularly "weak" area. However, our midfield has a tendency to become very defensive against the elite midfield groups. This isn't a failing on their part. But whilst our Forward line could arguably be the best in football on its day, I think it's fair to say our midfield isn't quite in that category. But I'm proud of what they've done, and can't really fault them for looking negative against the likes of Judd, Kerr, Cousins and the like. :o
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I knew someone was going to pull in their names. But I totally agree. Even though our mifielders are like 'old ford cortinas', they've done their job.
 
I digress though. I'd say back's and forward's are on the same level. Last year they did rank 1 in least points scored against but top2/3 points for. Our midfield is designed to win the stoppages then pass it onto the Goodes, Buchanan's, Tadhg's.

We don't have a Judd but then again WCE have Kerr, Cousins(when he's not doing lines ;) lol) but i'm sure most teams are just as envious we have Kirk, J Bolton.
 
quinnstar said:
I digress though. I'd say back's and forward's are on the same level. Last year they did rank 1 in least points scored against but top2/3 points for. Our midfield is designed to win the stoppages then pass it onto the Goodes, Buchanan's, Tadhg's.

We don't have a Judd but then again WCE have Kerr, Cousins(when he's not doing lines ;) lol) but i'm sure most teams are just as envious we have Kirk, J Bolton.
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The reason our defense has is low in points scored against is not due to our defenders, who as mentioned lack height, but our defensive game plan.

Our forwards are defintely the teams strength.

The midfield are the 'old reliables' like old yeller. However recently they've lost the reliable tag, at least from my point of view. JBolton and Ben Mathews showing in round one (I didn't see R2) was abysmal. Goodes was also tagged out of the game and perhaps should be isolated in the goal square on those occasons.

Above all I think over the last two years our onballers just haven't improved enough. Kirk is playing at the level he has for a while now. Jude hasn't become an elite player as was hoped. McVeigh is still borderline in the team and mostly a forward/tagger. As is Ablett.

Malkeski has had massive improvement since he deputed and should now play as much wing as his fitness will allow, as should Davis. Buchanen has improved the most, into an attacking little terrier, and Goodes now that he is a full time midfielder has become our number one threat to oppositions.

But that just isn't enough.

Drop Mathews out of the team.
Crouch into the midfield as much as possible.
Test out Jack in the BP or drop Schneider back there.
Kennelly needs to stay HBF to provide our run.
Davis and Malkeski MUST be our classy deliver from the wing into the forward line.
Kirk and Jude Bolton must stay as our inside midfielders. They do not kick goals however and should not be played as forwards (As Jude was R1)
Keep running Fosdike through there.
Continue giving games to Schmidt and Moore.

Obviously living in Melbourne means I cannot see the reserves, but when one of DOK, Barlow, Laidlaw et al's form warrants it, give them a game.

Make Mathews captain of the reserves if you like, just don't play him in the seniors.
 
I fully agree about the forwards but having said that you'd want them to be scoring more goals if that was the case. Don't get me wrong. The midfield is below par to what we're used to seeing but i think they're still getting used to Spida. He's putting it out there but none of them are reading it well enough yet. Our Cortina's will always do the job. When they're on song they're a joy to watch but when they're not it does get quite ugly..lol..

ps. We do have a defensive game plan but the goals still need to be scored and our backs are the best in the business in stopping them score them.
 

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Erm, yes?

B: Lockyer, Prestigiacomo, Cox
HB: H.Shaw, Clement, R.Shaw

Backs: Corey Enright, Matthew Scarlett, Andrew Mackie
Half Backs: Josh Hunt, Matthew Egan, Darren Milburn

Roger Hayden 43 Luke McPharlin 18 Shane Parker 23
David Mundy 16 Antoni Grover 14 Steven Dodd 25

B: McMahon, Harris, Morris
HB: Gilbee, Wight, Hargrave

Add the likes of Harley (Cats), Johnson (Freo), Wakelin (CWood) and they're backlines better than ours.

Leo Barry hasn't played a good game since the 05 grand final and is only going to get worse.

CBolton is our best defender easily.

LRT does OK but sydney supporters on these boards are still calling for him to be replaced by the likes of Vogels.

Richards hasn't proved anything as a defender.

Our defensive strength is the run out led by Kennelly with Malkeski as his apprentice. Every team has a defender of that quality. Gilbee, McMahon, Mundy, Milburn, Heath Shaw are all extremely good players.
 

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DeadlyAkkuret said:
You haven't seen unimprestigiacomo play often have you? My brother is a Collingwood fan and he cringes everytime Presti touches the ball. Lockyer is average, and so is Cox.
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Presti is actually a very good defender but Cox and Lockyer are some of the worst player's I've ever seen. Rhyce Shaw's improved but he aint too crash hot either though.
 
SouthSwans said:
Grover? :eek:

Dodd? :o

Hayden? :rolleyes:

Parker? :p

McPharlin doesn't even play down back anymore.....
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Go ask some Freo supporters what you think of them. Hell the Dockers we're widely tipped do be top four and even win a premiership this year. Do you really think they'd have hacks in their line up?

And McPharlin actually does play defense. I suggest you watch some football. The Dockers recruited Tarrant only last year. And why the **** would McPharlin be named at FB if he doesn't play there?

Honestly some of the **** on this board is astounding.

DeadlyAkkuret said:
You haven't seen unimprestigiacomo play often have you? My brother is a Collingwood fan and he cringes everytime Presti touches the ball. Lockyer is average, and so is Cox.
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Every time Presti touches the ball huh. LRT isn't a great kick either. Doesn't stop them being great defenders, which Presti defintely is.

Lockyer is defintely average, he's pretty much the pies equivalant of Mathews but that C'Wood team is missing over 8 best 22 players. He would struggle to get a game if they get a good injury run.

How the **** is Cox average? This week will be his debut you moron.
 
Cheer Red Blood said:
Go ask some Freo supporters what you think of them. Hell the Dockers we're widely tipped do be top four and even win a premiership this year. Do you really think they'd have hacks in their line up?

And McPharlin actually does play defense. I suggest you watch some football. The Dockers recruited Tarrant only last year. And why the **** would McPharlin be named at FB if he doesn't play there?

Honestly some of the **** on this board is astounding.



Every time Presti touches the ball huh. LRT isn't a great kick either. Doesn't stop them being great defenders, which Presti defintely is.

Lockyer is defintely average, he's pretty much the pies equivalant of Mathews but that C'Wood team is missing over 8 best 22 players. He would struggle to get a game if they get a good injury run.

How the **** is Cox average? This week will be his debut you moron.
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So that means i can't possibly have seen him or know anything about him? Okay.
 
DeadlyAkkuret said:
So that means i can't possibly have seen him or know anything about him? Okay.
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A debutant cannot be a proven dud before he's played a single game.

You can have a view sure but I'd trust the C'Wood recruiting staff over your opinion any day.

Aren't you the guy who thinks LRT should drop out of the team for Vogels to play CHB?
 
Cheer Red Blood said:
A debutant cannot be a proven dud before he's played a single game.

You can have a view sure but I'd trust the C'Wood recruiting staff over your opinion any day.

Aren't you the guy who thinks LRT should drop out of the team for Vogels to play CHB?
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First bold : You can do that. Remember they're the same people who recruited the Cloke brothers, and Cummings.

Second bold: I'm not sure who you're mistaking me for, but i like LRT. The sooner he's back in defence, the better. Vogels is a better prospect than some people believe though.
 
I will. The people who recruited **** aren't the people who recruited Cummings. Nor J. Cloke actually. Travis Cloke is going to be a very good player.

Goodo.
 

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