Most Inexperienced list

[pcara]

Just had a look at our current list and there are only 3 players who have played 100+ games.Newy 175,Lids 128 and Tucky 130.

Has to be some kind of record

 

[Spluff]

It probably would be if it weren't for GC coming in this year.

 

[The Goon]

Just had a look at our current list and there are only 3 players who have played 100+ games.Newy 175,Lids 128 and Tucky 130.

Has to be some kind of record

If that's true it's astonishing. Won't have to put up with any 'our list is as young as yours and we're playing better' BS next year.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

A few guys will hit 100 games next year barring injury, Jackson, Moore & Foley.

Pretty good though, its amazing looking at that little experience, I thought to myself, who the hell has been playing for Richmond, cause all these kids haven't!

 

[Maveric]

It probably would be if it weren't for GC coming in this year.

Not sure about a record, but the Gold Coast have Ablett, Brown, Bock & Harris with 100 games or more

 

[cardtrader]

Not sure about a record, but the Gold Coast have Ablett, Brown, Bock & Harris with 100 games or more

Brennan, Fraser, Rischittelli

 

[El Tigre]

Starting to look like we should be getting the concessions, with our list as young as it is.


.... hang-on, we've been over that.


No doubt GC are going to be up and going from about mid-way thru their first year.

 

[Strawbs]

Word is Dimma is running some kind of "So You Want to Know About Puberty" workshop over the pre-season.

 

[santa claws]

It probably would be if it weren't for GC coming in this year.

i keep saying it and people keep gnoring it gc will have a more experienced side than us by a good margin.or to put properly a more experienced senior group.

ablett brennan rischitelli bock harris fraser brown have all played 100 plus games there is bound to be more to come. they wont be a team of kids they will have plenty of experienced players probably over half their team around the abundance of good kids they have. throw in the other two harbrow and krakouer harbrow must have played over 60 games and krakouer 50.

 

[santa claws]

If that's true it's astonishing. Won't have to put up with any 'our list is as young as yours and we're playing better' BS next year.

you can see why cuz and now miller are important ( or was in cuzs case ) aquisititions.

just for the record we will have about another dozen players who have played close to 50 games but under 100. we have about 18 who have been in the system for 4 yrs or more. these blokes will get the majority of games
unfortunately its in this bracket where most of the poorer players are.

i think people need to take note of the differential between the age of the entire list and the age of the 22 on game day.

 

[ata33cro]

you can see why cuz and now miller are important ( or was in cuzs case ) aquisititions.

just for the record we will have about another dozen players who have played close to 50 games but under 100. we have about 18 who have been in the system for 4 yrs or more. these blokes will get the majority of games
unfortunately its in this bracket where most of the poorer players are.

i think people need to take note of the differential between the age of the entire list and the age of the 22 on game day.

Cousins was important but with him we also got the 'cousin circus'

 

[santa claws]

fremantle are showing us the way. imo a yr in front as far as delisting and building goes.yet though in front of us and made finals they managed to identify list cloggers and do something abaout it.

remember they made a preliminary final in 06 so had some good structure to start with.
but there are just 11 players left from their 07 season. so in 3 seasons they have culled 33 players.

this yr another 11 gone from their list they continue to cut those gone are.
tarrant 30.
solomon 30
haselby 29
headland 29
thornton 28
dodd 27
murphy 25
obrien 22
hall 20
ruffles 20
bucovaz 20

 

[tugga]

fremantle are showing us the way. imo a yr in front as far as delisting and building goes.yet though in front of us and made finals they managed to identify list cloggers and do something abaout it.

remember they made a preliminary final in 06 so had some good structure to start with.
but there are just 11 players left from their 07 season. so in 3 seasons they have culled 33 players.

this yr another 11 gone from their list they continue to cut those gone are.
tarrant 30.
solomon 30
haselby 29
headland 29
thornton 28
dodd 27
murphy 25
obrien 22
hall 20
ruffles 20
bucovaz 20

IMO our problem is not that we don't delist nontalent. We do.
We don't bring in talent. If we did, then the delistings take care of themselves. Our drafting has been horrible.
I think our draft last year went some of the way to addressing that.

 

[santa claws]

IMO our problem is not that we don't delist nontalent. We do.
We don't bring in talent. If we did, then the delistings take care of themselves. Our drafting has been horrible.
I think our draft last year went some of the way to addressing that.

i agree to a degree but one major problem has been not turning over enough of the under performers quickly enough so we staganate. yes we do delist the non talent but not enough of it. this is evidenced under wallace where we used just 3 nd picks in 3 of the 5 drafts he participated in. you have to delist more to use more picks.

i liken our situation a bit to fremantles 08.
its funny like us they had poor people in critical areas but have removed terrible failures like smart who was head of recruiting. but most importantly harvey has identified players who were either to old or incapable of getting them to where they want.

our 09 draft was freos 08 draft.

hopefully our 2010 draft is freos 09 draft . as i said i think we are tracking a yr or two behind them. our trouble is we are coming from much farther back and their weaknesses were easier to fix, as their structure has been strong for awhile now.
they are now basically finding their mids and onballers to complement sandilands mcpharlin pavlich etc.

barlow morabito suban hill and others are quickly stepping up. we have got it arse about where the smalls have come first and we are atm suffering because of poor structure and size. but imo we are addressing these things but it takes time for things to come to fruition.

you know my thoughts on the list we have another cull to go. but with another influx of promising kids this yr and we get our fair share of picks right i reckon there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

my biggest fear this yr was hardwick would do a wallace fall in love with the duds and cut only 3 or 4. well we got 8 plus rookies its a couple shy of what i wanted but i wil ltake it.
now all we need is cameron to stop putting spuds on 3 yr deals so we can weed out the rest.

 

[tugga]

i agree to a degree but one major problem has been not turning over enough of the under performers quickly enough so we staganate. yes we do delist the non talent but not enough of it. this is evidenced under wallace where we used just 3 nd picks in 3 of the 5 drafts he participated in. you have to delist more to use more picks.

i liken our situation a bit to fremantles 08.
its funny like us they had poor people in critical areas but have removed terrible failures like smart who was head of recruiting. but most importantly harvey has identified players who were either to old or incapable of getting them to where they want.

our 09 draft was freos 08 draft.

hopefully our 2010 draft is freos 09 draft . as i said i think we are tracking a yr or two behind them. our trouble is we are coming from much farther back and their weaknesses were easier to fix, as their structure has been strong for awhile now.
they are now basically finding their mids and onballers to complement sandilands mcpharlin pavlich etc.

barlow morabito suban hill and others are quickly stepping up. we have got it arse about where the smalls have come first and we are atm suffering because of poor structure and size. but imo we are addressing these things but it takes time for things to come to fruition.

you know my thoughts on the list we have another cull to go. but with another influx of promising kids this yr and we get our fair share of picks right i reckon there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

my biggest fear this yr was hardwick would do a wallace fall in love with the duds and cut only 3 or 4. well we got 8 plus rookies its a couple shy of what i wanted but i wil ltake it.
now all we need is cameron to stop putting spuds on 3 yr deals so we can weed out the rest.

I wouldn't get carried away with Morabito. Had a solid year, but will only be that...solid. Cunnington rats all over him. And Martin rats all over both.
I do agree we don't move players on fast enough.
I guess you get stuck between wanting t give someone time. But I argue, these men in charge should know early on that a kid could have all the time in the world and it won't help him.

 

[santa claws]

I wouldn't get carried away with Morabito. Had a solid year, but will only be that...solid. Cunnington rats all over him. And Martin rats all over both.
I do agree we don't move players on fast enough.
I guess you get stuck between wanting t give someone time. But I argue, these men in charge should know early on that a kid could have all the time in the world and it won't help him.

have to say i disagree on morabito i reckon he will be very good. and cunnington amd dusty are different to him of the three hes the most outside. but in this case its not a weakness but a strength.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

We can't hang our hats on the 08 draft Hislop and Thompson have just been delisted. We should have another 2 kids sitting on 20 games except we've only got Vickery.

Francis can redeem himself this year for that little F;:k up.

 

[_RT_]

The stat about being the most inexperienced list will only be of benefit if we start climbing the ladder, while these players are still young. No point being the youngest team over the next couple of years and spending all that time sitting at the arse end of the ladder. If we do we'll sonn find ourselves back in the same position we were in 07-08 where we were a pretty experienced team and were going nowhere.

 

[Spluff]

I wouldn't get carried away with Morabito. Had a solid year, but will only be that...solid. Cunnington rats all over him. And Martin rats all over both.
I do agree we don't move players on fast enough.
I guess you get stuck between wanting t give someone time. But I argue, these men in charge should know early on that a kid could have all the time in the world and it won't help him.

I'd be pretty confident Morabito will be better than Cunnington. When Mora develops his strength to an AFL level he will be a nightmare matchup.

Rohan will be better than both, though. Sydney really lucked out with his growth spurt. A 190 cm player with his athleticism and overhead skills is an absolute goldmine. He will be tearing games apart from every position on the ground in a few years.

 

[mitch richmond]

With such a young list it'd be good to get an asst. coach to the club who coached an AFL side to the 8 last year. Be good if there was an ex-Richmond Captain, All-Australian, B&F winner, member of the 300 club out there. Someone who is not shy to tell legends of the club that their body is shutting down and it's time to move on. Someone who bleeds yellow and black!

 

[docko911]

Generally that means we will improve. We just need to keep bringing in players from underneath and delisting players from over the top who aren't up to the standard. That way we get better and stay better long term.

 

[santa claws]

The stat about being the most inexperienced list will only be of benefit if we start climbing the ladder, while these players are still young. No point being the youngest team over the next couple of years and spending all that time sitting at the arse end of the ladder. If we do we'll sonn find ourselves back in the same position we were in 07-08 where we were a pretty experienced team and were going nowhere.

while i disagrreee with your comments about winning with kids i would say once we get enough of the right cattle and development has happened we need to start winning.
i know you didnt say it but wins next yr are not the be all end all. in fact we are at a stage where we should be getting games into kids who are perhaps atm not as good as some of the older players.

hmm 07 we had 17 players who had playeed 50 or more games 8 had played over 100. another coupple had played 40 or more and there was more who had played at least 30.

in o7 there was only 8 players who had not played a game 3 of them rookies.

roughly 22 players had been in the system for at least 4 yrs.youir right they werent that inexperienced and they werent that good.like ive been saying its not the kids who are the problem our core group has always been the villain it continues to be imo.
yep the key in 07 to mediocrity being the experienced players were crap and we had little young quality coming thru. we had just drafted jack there was some hope for tambling still and deledio was so far in front of all else as far as quality goes.