Mundy knockers

[Chops_a_must]

Mundy being unaccountable is one of the biggest myths on Big Footy. He backs himself to beat his opponent by being smarter, so he plays loose and in front. Just because he doesn't try to wrestle his opponent every 4.8 seconds doesn't mean he isn't accountable.

Sometimes I'd like to see him pay his opponents a little more respect but rarely, if ever does his opponent beat him.

Every single player has weaknesses in their game, as long as they bring more to the table than they take off it's fine, not everyone is a superstar. For example, Hayden regularly has goals kicked on him and sells his team mates into trouble but it's overlooked because of everything else he can do, why isn't Mundy afforded the same luxury?

If you play loose, you have to be able to win your own ball. Something Mundy definitely cannot do.

Hayden wins his own ball, is courageous and is prepared to leave his own man to be the third man in. The reason Hayden turns it over more is because his possessions are under pressure. He is prepared to look bad, to help his own team. Something the Mundy cheersquad don't seem to understand in general.

In regards to the spare man in defence debate. How many of you saying the spare man doesn't have to get to contests/ take contested marks, actually played much football? The spare man's job is to get to EVERY contest in the defensive 50. If Mundy's "reading of the play" skills were so fantastic, how come he couldn't do this? He should have been able to do this with aplomb. But he couldn't, because he is a coward.

You only have to look at Dale Kickett's efforts in this regard to see what is required when you can read the play well. Sacrificing self to help the team. Something Mundy will never ever be prepared to do.

Also, if you have fantastic skills like Mundy does, even more reason to be winning the hard ball... and setting up play from really difficult situations.

 

[Jetau]

If you play loose, you have to be able to win your own ball. Something Mundy definitely cannot do.

Hayden wins his own ball, is courageous and is prepared to leave his own man to be the third man in. The reason Hayden turns it over more is because his possessions are under pressure. He is prepared to look bad, to help his own team. Something the Mundy cheersquad don't seem to understand in general.

In regards to the spare man in defence debate. How many of you saying the spare man doesn't have to get to contests/ take contested marks, actually played much football? The spare man's job is to get to EVERY contest in the defensive 50. If Mundy's "reading of the play" skills were so fantastic, how come he couldn't do this? He should have been able to do this with aplomb. But he couldn't, because he is a coward.

You only have to look at Dale Kickett's efforts in this regard to see what is required when you can read the play well. Sacrificing self to help the team. Something Mundy will never ever be prepared to do.

Also, if you have fantastic skills like Mundy does, even more reason to be winning the hard ball... and setting up play from really difficult situations.

I have said time and time again that Mundy is a skilful but flawed player. I hope you don't include me in this thinking. For what it's worth, I don't think it's a good idea to compare Mundy to Hayden, as Hayden is streets ahead. On the other hand, Grover, though a 'hard' player, has been decidely average this year, and he doesn't get much criticism at all.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

The title of the thread is deceptively ironic -- Mundy has knockers because he is a girl.

 

[Bradesmaen]

The title of the thread is deceptively ironic -- Mundy has knockers because he is a girl.

Just like you!

 

[Chops_a_must]

I have said time and time again that Mundy is a skilful but flawed player. I hope you don't include me in this thinking. For what it's worth, I don't think it's a good idea to compare Mundy to Hayden, as Hayden is streets ahead. On the other hand, Grover, though a 'hard' player, has been decidely average this year, and he doesn't get much criticism at all.

Nah... I was more referring to the person that tried to argue that shepherding wasn't important, and that Palmer was an ineffective player.

Grover has been caught out many times this year indeed. But how do you objectively critique a defenders performance when the midfield has been absolutely smashed, and the ball has zero pressure coming in? I'd say people are more inclined to cut Grover some slack because he bleeds for his team, fights above his weight, plays hurt, ACTUALLY GETS CONTACT INJURIES, and has been known for acts of desperation and courage. It's those sort of factors that earn him respect from fans, something Mundy could only dream of.

 

[Docker Clint]

If we trade him, he'll probably become a champ in another team

 

[prattsta]

Look, I'm certainly not in the 'Mundy Cheersquad' as you put it. The problem i have is Mundy gets bagged just because he doesn't juggle chainsaws and eat a bag of nails before every game.

As footy fans we love the Troy Cooks of the game. All the skill in the world couldn't endear you to a fan base as much as tackling, blocking, pressure and second efforts. This doesn't mean the skills Mundy and the like possess aren't just as valuable to the team.

If you play loose, you have to be able to win your own ball. Something Mundy definitely cannot do.

Well no, not really. If you are playing loose on your opponent i.e. zoning off theoretically you should be in less contested situations, that's kind of the point.

No, it's not how i like seeing guys play, but it generally works for him, and therefore the team, so what's the problem? Harvey and Co. seem happy enough with him doing it.

Hayden wins his own ball, is courageous and is prepared to leave his own man to be the third man in. The reason Hayden turns it over more is because his possessions are under pressure. He is prepared to look bad, to help his own team. Something the Mundy cheersquad don't seem to understand in general.

I'm certainly not saying Mundy is better than Hayden, the Melbourne game alone proved how valuable Hayden is. It's just the way each of them are perceived is worlds apart when statistically Hayden and Mundy are as close to identical as you can get.

In regards to the spare man in defence debate. How many of you saying the spare man doesn't have to get to contests/ take contested marks, actually played much football? The spare man's job is to get to EVERY contest in the defensive 50. If Mundy's "reading of the play" skills were so fantastic, how come he couldn't do this? He should have been able to do this with aplomb. But he couldn't, because he is a coward.

I don't think anyone is saying the spare man doesn't have to get to every contest. I certainly didn't say that. That would be stupid, even by Big Footy standards. I simply pointed out he rarely plays that role any more. Playing as the loose man and playing loose are two completely different things.

Mundy is better when he actually has an opponent. He is rarely beaten in defense, and provides a good option going forward. Somehow he is still the most criticised player on these boards though.

You only have to look at Dale Kickett's efforts in this regard to see what is required when you can read the play well. Sacrificing self to help the team. Something Mundy will never ever be prepared to do.

How can you say he'll never be prepared to do it, he's already improved in the last 7 weeks. He's only 22 ffs, it's hardly fair to compare him to Kickett. Hell my comparing him to Hayden was bad enough.

Do i think he'll be consistently crashing packs and taking contested marks in the near future? Unlikely, but he still has plenty to offer now and even more in the future.

It's easy for us to criticse him because they are seen as simple things to do, but if it doesn't come naturally to you, it will take some time/work.

Also, if you have fantastic skills like Mundy does, even more reason to be winning the hard ball... and setting up play from really difficult situations.

That's a fair point, no argument here. However the insults/criticism he cops around here can hardly be justified because he doesn't do everything...

Nah... I was more referring to the person that tried to argue that shepherding wasn't important, and that Palmer was an ineffective player.

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Grover has been caught out many times this year indeed. But how do you objectively critique a defenders performance when the midfield has been absolutely smashed, and the ball has zero pressure coming in? I'd say people are more inclined to cut Grover some slack because he bleeds for his team, fights above his weight, plays hurt, ACTUALLY GETS CONTACT INJURIES, and has been known for acts of desperation and courage. It's those sort of factors that earn him respect from fans, something Mundy could only dream of.

Exactly my point.