Mundy knockers

[chook2734]

Obviously CC is gone. And what I did say was he only got a look in when Sandi got injured.

What I'm saying is that CC refusing to give him a go could have been the catalyst for him wanting to leave when his contract expires. He showed what he had to all the important people, and has probably had ball park offers on last year's performance.

Another factor may be the awarding of a massive contract to Sandi, with absolutely nothing to base it on. Robbie may want to have the number 1 ruck position in a year or two, and possibly doesn't feel like he can be that here. Even on merit.

No doubt he'll be another superstar that we've let go.

So if we believe what you have to say, Robbie has spat the dummy about CC 12 months ago and now he wants to go home, without even giving Harvey a chance? If that's his attitude then good riddance, that's exactly the kind of player that has got us into the predicament we are in right now. If he really wants to be playing he should be doing everything he can at West Perth to make it impossible for Harvey not to pick him.

Sandi's contract is an interesting side issue here too - Warnock and Sandilands both share the same manager (Colin Young), so he would be fully aware of what Sandilands is on.

 

[chook2734]

And that proves what exactly?

Sandi was injured for a large part of last year. It wasn't Warnock's form that got him the spot in the team.

I can specifically remember CC copping flack for not playing a ruckman, even when robbie was an emergency in one game. We got smashed in the ruck that day, and lost. It is that sort of rubbish I'm referring to.

So are you saying Robbie was in good form and should have been playing, or he wasn't in good form but still got a game anyway, but only because Sandilands was injured?

 

[Ripper]

Re: Mundy knockersey

And that proves what exactly?

Sandi was injured for a large part of last year. It wasn't Warnock's form that got him the spot in the team.

I can specifically remember CC copping flack for not playing a ruckman, even when robbie was an emergency in one game. We got smashed in the ruck that day, and lost. It is that sort of rubbish I'm referring to.

He was in good from for the Cardies but they wanted to ease him in because of his frame.

Sandi & Nockers played in the same team in

Rd 6 vs Brisbane
Rd 8 vs Geelong
Rd 11 vs Richmond
Rd 12 vs Bullies
Rd 13 vs Carlton
Rd 14 vs Sydney
He was rested for round 15 as he was a bit sore - probably the game you are thinking of.
Played Round 16 vs Adelaide ( Sandi was rested) Harves first game.
Missed round 17 - Sandi's last game for the year.
Finished the year off in the team.

No lack of opportunity there.

 

[Chops_a_must]

So are you saying Robbie was in good form and should have been playing, or he wasn't in good form but still got a game anyway, but only because Sandilands was injured?

I'm saying he was in good form, but only got a real look in after Sandi was injured.

I'm not saying this is the reason Robbie is fed up... just could be a possibility. If he really despises being here, then it could explain his performances. Seems completely uninterested. Much like Jeff White in his last year.

 

[Chops_a_must]

Re: Mundy knockersey

He was in good from for the Cardies but they wanted to ease him in because of his frame.

Sandi & Nockers played in the same team in

Rd 6 vs Brisbane
Rd 8 vs Geelong
Rd 11 vs Richmond
Rd 12 vs Bullies
Rd 13 vs Carlton
Rd 14 vs Sydney
He was rested for round 15 as he was a bit sore - probably the game you are thinking of.
Played Round 16 vs Adelaide ( Sandi was rested) Harves first game.
Missed round 17 - Sandi's last game for the year.
Finished the year off in the team.

No lack of opportunity there.

Sandi struggled throughout the year with injury. It was pretty obvious. But it wasn't until Sandi could not be on the ball for longer than 10 minutes that they began picking Robbie regularly.

If I remember correctly, it was round 10...

 

[Ripper]

It was more Justin's injury and his own form that gave him a spot .

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322963

 

[dominguez]

I'm not sure what Chops_a_must point is, but I picked up that he's having a crack at Connolly so I'm on his side. Go Chops, you tell em!!!!

You can lock all the other threads on the Fremantle Board Ripper. If this thread is for bagging Mundy and Connolly I won't need to post anywhere else aslong as I can find a way to work Schwabby into the conversation.

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Barra doesn't chase or tackle hard enough.

His head goes down when the we're behind and doesn't show enough vim or vigour.


But his kickin' outstrips that of Dodd or Black ..and he can kick from outside 50 unlike Macca, Schammer or Carr(either)

 

[Jetau]

Barra doesn't chase or tackle hard enough.

His head goes down when the we're behind and doesn't show enough vim or vigour.


But his kickin' outstrips that of Dodd or Black ..and he can kick from outside 50 unlike Macca, Schammer or Carr(either)

In a recent game (I forget which one) J.Carr was closing on goal and kicked from 40-45 metres. As I recall the ball went out for a boundary throw in. We have far too few players who can kick a goal on the run from 50. Headland springs to mind, of course Pav too, and Heath Black when he's on song, but Mundy is one of the more reliable long range kicks for goal. He keeps getting a goal or so a game. This is more telling of the deficiencies of our midfield than saying how wonderful Mundy is.

 

[Scham]

What would Mundy be worth to us in a trade? If you can take any truth out of the ST article, apparently he wants a trade at season's end.

I'm thinking maybe what we got him for, perhaps a priority pick or early second round i.e. 17 - 20?

 

[estibador]

If you can take any truth out of the ST article...

That's a big if...

 

[dominguez]

That looks fair Scham.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Mundy is staying, I'm making sure of it

 

[Jetau]

If you think Mundy was a bad draft pick at pick 19 (which I don't) then consider what we traded for pick 19.

Steven Koops, who played maybe 10 games for the Western Bulldogs before being delisted.

If, in theory, someone was to offer us pick 19 again for Mundy, would it be a good deal for us? Remember that Ryley Dunn was pick 10 and Murphy pick 17 in the same draft as Mundy.

I would want a first round pick, say 10-12, for Mundy, and I doubt that many clubs would give that up for him.

 

[Scham]

If you think Mundy was a bad draft pick at pick 19 (which I don't) then consider what we traded for pick 19.

Steven Koops, who played maybe 10 games for the Western Bulldogs before being delisted.

If, in theory, someone was to offer us pick 19 again for Mundy, would it be a good deal for us? Remember that Ryley Dunn was pick 10 and Murphy pick 17 in the same draft as Mundy.

I would want a first round pick, say 10-12, for Mundy, and I doubt that many clubs would give that up for him.

Murphy was pick 12, but yeah it depends on the year, I think you'll find that the picks between 17 and 20 from last years draft will end up being very good players. Mundy iMO was a typical pick 19 - not a steal, but good value.

 

[kp junior]

It was a relatively weak draft I think. He'd probably go top 10 if you held that draft now with the benefit of hindsight, so he was a very good pick at 19

 

[MadMac]

"Irrational hate" is way over the top. At times he doesn't go hard enough at the footy and likes to stand off and let others do the hard work. That gives me the shits but I don't hate him, that's just silly. His commitment has gone up a notch over the last month, lets hope it continues and that he can lift a couple more levels.

Positives
Fantastic foot skills
Tall

Negatives
Doesn't work hard enough
Doesn't take contested marks
Lacks pace
Sometimes pulls out of contests
Doesn't win his own footy
Unaccountable down back
Has a feminine voice

Doesn't work hard enough - Well, apart from 2-3 players, no one works hard enough atm. Harvs will make him work hard, you'll see.

Doesn't take contested marks - It may be politically incorrect but as a loose man in defence it's only natural.

Lacks pace - He's not that slow. It may be his running style that makes that perception, but those steps are huge.

Sometimes pulls out of contests - I agree with this one and that's an area coaching staff need to look at.

Doesn't win his own footy - He's not meant to be. Again, it may be politically incorrect but he's the link man. That's why teams have tough nuts that win footy and hand it to more skillful players to create something out of it.

 

[dominguez]

I reckon Mundy's pace is deceptive. He's actually slower than he looks.

 

[PapaJ]

What would Mundy be worth to us in a trade? If you can take any truth out of the ST article, ...

There is no truth in ST article; 500K for Warnock , what over 20 years ... enough said on that.

To the point ...

Having said all this... he probably has never been able to play the role to which he is most suited. I've always thought him to be a natural HF flanker/ attacking wingman, but given the amount of players we have that seem to be attracted to that role, he has spent a lot of time as a quasi HB flanker...

Disagree with most of your perception of him, but I will give you this one. His value as a HF flanker running wingman is probably his most suited role, and when he's been used as such he has done OK, but he's not that bad a liability elsewhere.

The problem is he's not a 'leader' in that, as skilful as he is, his position, body type whatever isn't such that he can arrest the ball from stoppages and drag a team in a certain direction (same might be said of a Headland and say with what's left of the Eagle's midfield without Judd and Cousins), he's one of those who needs others around to do that sort of thing. But, once going, he's a classy player that can (and has) contributed well.

 

[prattsta]

"Irrational hate" is way over the top. At times he doesn't go hard enough at the footy and likes to stand off and let others do the hard work. That gives me the shits but I don't hate him, that's just silly. His commitment has gone up a notch over the last month, lets hope it continues and that he can lift a couple more levels.

Positives
Fantastic foot skills
Tall
Smart
Good Judgement (Backs himself)
Disciplined
Agile

Negatives
Doesn't work hard enough - I'd love to see you prove that.
Doesn't take contested marks - Doesn't need to.
Lacks pace - So do 95% of players, he's definately not slow.
Sometimes pulls out of contests - So you're saying sometimes he doesn't pull out of contests...
Doesn't win his own footy - Again, doesn't generally need to, it's not his role.
Unaccountable down back - Crap.
Has a feminine voice - Fair enough.

Mundy being unaccountable is one of the biggest myths on Big Footy. He backs himself to beat his opponent by being smarter, so he plays loose and in front. Just because he doesn't try to wrestle his opponent every 4.8 seconds doesn't mean he isn't accountable.

Sometimes I'd like to see him pay his opponents a little more respect but rarely, if ever does his opponent beat him.

Every single player has weaknesses in their game, as long as they bring more to the table than they take off it's fine, not everyone is a superstar. For example, Hayden regularly has goals kicked on him and sells his team mates into trouble but it's overlooked because of everything else he can do, why isn't Mundy afforded the same luxury?

 

[Lach72]

Mundy being unaccountable is one of the biggest myths on Big Footy. He backs himself to beat his opponent by being smarter, so he plays loose and in front.

I see...interesting...

 

[Belnakor]

Doesn't take contested marks - It may be politically incorrect but as a loose man in defence it's only natural.

So Mundy's specialty is loose man in defense? He should be playing on a man if he is to play in defense.

The problem with Mundy is he is slow, and he is gutless - beyond that he has great skills, so he gets a spot in the team. But i mean ____, don't make excuses for the guy, he dogs contests on a weekly basis.

 

[kidstyler]

i was a fan of Mundy when he first started (he does have great skills) but it seams lately that he is slow (the guy has no sprint) and does tend to shy from the contested situation.

 

[prattsta]

I see...interesting...

Look, it's made out like he never man's up which is just utter crap. He plays to his strengths, which is reading the play, and having better judgement than his opponent. Just because he doesn't hold hands with his opponent all day doesn't make him unaccountable.

Does Grover get bagged for trying to grapple his opponents when it doesn't pay off? Does McPharlin get bagged when he tries to take a pack mark and it doesn't pay off? Does Dodd get bagged when he tries to tag his opponent (watching his man not the ball) and an easy mark is taken over his head and a goal is kicked? What about when Hayden turns it over after running off his opponent?

So Mundy's specialty is loose man in defense? He should be playing on a man if he is to play in defense.

The problem with Mundy is he is slow, and he is gutless - beyond that he has great skills, so he gets a spot in the team. But i mean ____, don't make excuses for the guy, he dogs contests on a weekly basis.

Mundy has an opponent when he's down back, he certainly isn't getting a game because he's a 'loose man specialist.' Besides Hayden and Thornton would play that role more often now, especially with Mundy spending more time further up the ground. Not sure why I'm mentioning this to you though, that wasn't even your argument...

I'm not going to lie he certainly doesn't have blistering pace, but he's far from slow. People get far to caught up by pace at the moment, not everyone is going to be a Hinkley. The role he play's doesn't require him to be super fast, as long as he does what's required i don't see the problem.

I can't be bothered arguing whether he is soft/gutless it's been done to death. As you said it's not why he's in the team anyway. Although it seems to be what the Mundy argument all boils down to.

 

[Belnakor]

I guess the thing about Mundy is he is the kind of footballer people don't like watching - sure has good skills, and reads the play well, but he is just gutless and seems to be the prototype for the new decade footballer - about 6'2, long distance runner who doesn't like contact.