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Gough said:
The drought will be blamed and any talk of climate change will be accused of politicising the issue. It's straight out of the NRA post mass shooting response PR handbook.
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The drought is a VERY significant factor in this situation, (no-one can deny that), however as I have posted about at length, there are other more nefarious factors in play.
You may well be surprised that the vast majority of farmers are up in arms over this entire farce.
 
Gough said:
The drought will be blamed and any talk of climate change will be accused of politicising the issue. It's straight out of the NRA post mass shooting response PR handbook.
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That we keep wanting the river to do more & more .... another example of how we have failed on infrastructure.

Always been a fan of the Bradfield concept ... & the similar Ernie Bridge scheme in WA - its over 100 years since the 500k water pipeline to the Goldfields was built, we need a bit of vision/can do ...
 

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If you didn't believe that Governments, and their utility departments, are totally inept in managing water, take a look at this...

www.abc.net.au

Despite region's drought, dam to drop to 42pc capacity in major release of water

Farmers in the drought-declared Bundaberg region are angry 105,000 megalitres of water will be released from Paradise Dam, saying it will go to waste at a time when water availability is so critical.
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Instead of actually fixing the dam, which has been damaged since 2013, they decide to let 80,000 megalitres run out to sea.

Oh but farmers can harvest it, they say.

Just how Premier Palachook?

If you haven't got storage capacity just were are you going to put it?

Just when a new irrigated peanut etc growing area was being planned in the region, this idiotic, disgrace of a Government pulls this stunt.

Worst State Gov't ever.
 
www.news.com.au

New satellite images detect dams filled during pumping embargo

Irrigators are angry over the release of a routine satellite monitoring map that appears to have returned some disturbing images over the drought-affected Murray-Darling Basin.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au

8.5b from the taxpayer directly into farmers dams. I wonder how much the taxpayer actually supplements when you consider everything. Disgusting! The taxpayer funded plan was never a plan to protect the river just a plan to fill their mates dams
 
Danger2Jenkins said:
www.news.com.au

New satellite images detect dams filled during pumping embargo

Irrigators are angry over the release of a routine satellite monitoring map that appears to have returned some disturbing images over the drought-affected Murray-Darling Basin.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au

8.5b from the taxpayer directly into farmers dams. I wonder how much the taxpayer actually supplements when you consider everything. Disgusting! The taxpayer funded plan was never a plan to protect the river just a plan to fill their mates dams
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Tony Burkes mates prefer folding!
The Plan was signed off by Tony Burke, Minister for Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities on 22 November 2012, and passed the Australian Parliament on the 29 November 2012.

Yes its a bloody disaster ....
 
Mick Keelty is no fan, clearly its a disaster
"Conflicts of interest do not appear to be well understood, nor declared in many instances, especially as the local government level ... delayed in the publication of political donations feed mistrust regarding compliance with water laws."

"A mature and well organised number of water related lobby groups drive opinions about the virtues, or otherwise of what governments are doing or need to do.


www.abc.net.au

Murray-Darling Basin's top cop tips a bucket on federal Agriculture Department

A long-awaited Government-ordered report slams the department, saying it suffers from inaction and a risk-averse culture and has no clear mission when it comes to water.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Kwality said:
That we keep wanting the river to do more & more .... another example of how we have failed on infrastructure.

Always been a fan of the Bradfield concept ... & the similar Ernie Bridge scheme in WA - its over 100 years since the 500k water pipeline to the Goldfields was built, we need a bit of vision/can do ...
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Bump, no apology, its all happening Bill !!

.... after almost two years of a dry river bed, WA's longest river is flowing again through Fitzroy Crossing.

"The last time we got rain at Kalyeeda was early April, which then was only 1.2 millimetres, so realistically our last decent rain was March 2019," said pastoralist Peter Camp.
"It'll take a while to fill a lot of the waterholes up in the lower Fizroy, but one would hope we get a reasonable run which will certainly give the river a new lease on life."

Since 9am Friday, Marble Bar has received more than 220mm, the highest in the region followed by Carlindie Station on 180mm.

The De Grey River is currently flowing at a rate of 45,000 tonnes or 80 fuel tankers of water under the bridge over the Great Northern Highway, according to BOM.

The Fortescue river is also flowing for the first time in years, as well as the Nullagine, Coongan and Shaw rivers receiving a top up.

Ex-Tropical Cyclone Blake was the gift that kept on giving as it tracked further inland to the parched WA outback, bringing record rainfall to parts of the Goldfields-Esperance region yesterday.

www.abc.net.au

Northern WA's cattle country drenched by cyclone rain

While vast areas of Australia are being impacted by bushfires, many cattle stations in northern WA are celebrating a wet start to 2020 with some reporting their best rain in two years.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Bloody hell, how much will flow out to sea.
 

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Vader said:
Isn't WA's longest river the Gascoyne, which flows out through Carnarvon?

I'm fairly sure the Kimberley rivers aren't tributaries to the Gascoyne.

As for extreme rainfall... an island SW of Darwin just had 562mm in 24 hours - a new NT record!
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All unhelpful for southern Australia given there’s a lack of infrastructure to transport this mass rainfall to the drought affected areas.
 
I'm pretty sure the same shithole areas keep struggling over and over. When it's not the Brisbane river flooding it's an endless hectare bushfire caused by farmers. Stop donating to these idiots and they'll eventually have to face the music.

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Before some dickhead melts over my post notice all the fires are DOWNSTREAM of this. How many are upstream in comparison? Bushfires are clearly because of farmers. Droughts don't do what you see in the above photos only a ****** would believe that
 
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Vader said:
Isn't WA's longest river the Gascoyne, which flows out through Carnarvon?

I'm fairly sure the Kimberley rivers aren't tributaries to the Gascoyne.

As for extreme rainfall... an island SW of Darwin just had 562mm in 24 hours - a new NT record!
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Not sure, always thought it was the Fitzroy. You are spot on
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Gascoyne River - Wikipedia

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Fitzroy River (Western Australia) - Wikipedia

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Saw the Gascoyne in flood, the ocean was a dirty browny yellow colour as far as the eye could see from a beach in Carnarvon.
 
HardcoreGeelongFan said:
I'm pretty sure the same shithole areas keep struggling over and over. When it's not the Brisbane river flooding it's an endless hectare bushfire caused by farmers. Stop donating to these idiots and they'll eventually have to face the music.
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Before some dickhead melts over my post notice all the fires are DOWNSTREAM of this. How many are upstream in comparison? Bushfires are clearly because of farmers. Droughts don't do what you see in the above photos only a ****** would believe that
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I thought we locked up national parks & not just in the NE corner of the country - guess if you live in the NE corner ... might need to get out some time !!

As far as taking the pressure off the Murray Darling, the NW might give some hope:
syn.org.au

Irrigating the North: Australia's Untapped Goldmine or a Gem too Precious to Develop? - SYN Media

The Fitzroy River in the Kimberley Region of Western Australia is the lifeblood of the many communities in its catchment. Whether it’s …
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The Fitzroy River in the Kimberley Region of Western Australia is the lifeblood of the many communities in its catchment. Whether it’s fishing, hunting or just swimming, you would be hard pressed to find people that don’t spend at least part of their week down on the banks and in the waters.

For most of the year the river and its catchment is just a trickle but during the monsoonal Wet Season, it rises into a powerful force pumping billions of liters of water into the muddy King Sound. Its been the dream of many agriculturalists and developers to harness this mass of water and turn the Fitzroy River into an agricultural powerhouse.

GoGo Station, just outside of Fitzroy Crossing wants to develop 50sqkm of agricultural land on the land of the Gooniyandi People, a people whose Native Title was only recently won. GoGo claims the development will create many jobs, environmentalists say that it’s too risky and the Gooniyandi people may be split.

Everyone agrees that something needs to happen in the Fitzroy Valley, they just can’t agree on what.
 
Craven Morehead said:
I did warn earlier in this thread of things which had happened that hadn't reached the public, yet. And I was deliberately careful because shit was really going to hit the fan.
And here we are.
$80 million paid for overland flow water, which is flood water, which in that country won't be harvested because it is not needed at that time, but still flows down the rivers to places like Cubbie Stn etc who can then harvest it for free, yet taxpayers have paid an extraordinary amount of money for, essentially, NOTHING.

There is yet another call for a Royal Commission, which I 100% endorse, but it's reach must be far, FAR wider than this particular transaction.
It must go across the entire basin, and beyond.
You watch how much shit will come out of this if a RC is actually conducted.

And people have the hide to label me, and so many other farmers, as rusted on National voters!
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Lets TRY & take some pressure off the river system:

www.abc.net.au

Traditional owners in far north WA partner with cotton giant Cubbie Farming

Traditional owners in Western Australia's far north Kimberley region have signed a memorandum of understanding with controversial irrigated cotton giant Cubbie Farming.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Traditional owners in Western Australia's far north Kimberley region have signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with controversial irrigated cotton giant Cubbie Farming.

Key points:
MG Corporation, which represents the Miriwoong and Gajerrong people, and cotton giant Cubbie Farming will partner on a cotton farming trial on Goomig farmland
The first crops will be in the ground by February and once harvested, later in the year, will be sent to Cubbie's Dirranbandi-based gin in Queensland
If trials are successful they will apply for federal funding to build a gin in Kununurra, which could cost more than $30 million
 

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edgie said:
Because more irrigating is the answer???


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Because its going out to sea, unlike the Murray Darling where too many not only want a drink, they all want more.
Just maybe SA need to run their desal plant / draw less water from the Murray, same for Vic (if you can take it out, you can put it back ..)
 
Vader said:
They're already doing that:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11...ation-plant-murray-river-water-farms/11679136
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From the article linked:
Mr Littleproud expected the deal, which does not affect the Murray Darling Basin Plan, could produce 120,000 tonnes of animal feed.

"This is one step towards making sure that we think outside the square, bringing new water into the [Murray-Darling] Basin, to make sure that we use it wisely, to ensure that all our breeding herd is protected," Mr Littleproud said.
 

"I've never seen a group so divided," he said of the water ministers.

"It does not augur well for the cooperation and commitment to what is a national asset and what is the food bowl of Australia," Mr Keelty said.

"The sooner we understand this is a national asset, and what you do in one part of the basin directly impacts another, and what nature does in one part of the basin, directly impacts another … Government can't control nature, but it can control the policy response."

Mr Keelty said he was not interested in slow, legislative reform, but rather changes that could potentially improve outdated policies.

"I'm not going to sugar-coat it — it seems to me there are no trigger points to account for when the Murray has to take 100 per cent of the load to provide what has been agreed to go to South Australia without any form of recognition or compensation coming back the other way," Mr Keelty said.

"Mick Keelty can't change it. I'm not going to lie to you. I won't come here and say I am the saviour of all of this. But I will call it out."
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