Muscle needed

[moses]

Im not sure if it is just my opinion but it seems to me that our players lack muscle. Look at teams like Brisebane, most of the players are big and tough. I think adelaide should look at building up the muscles of their young players for the future. What do people think?

 

[lacrow]

I thought we spent the preseason specifically building mass?

One of my early theories as to why we weren't winning games was that the players had all put on a significant amount of muscle and weren't used to carrying that around and therefore, weren't playing as effectively as they used to.

However, I've since thrown that one out in favor of my newest theory, which is: we have way too many receivers and not enough guys getting the balls in and under the packs. That is why we are getting smashed in the midfield, IMHO.

 

[conVINCEd]

Originally posted by lacrow
However, I've since thrown that one out in favor of my newest theory, which is: we have way too many receivers and not enough guys getting the balls in and under the packs. That is why we are getting smashed in the midfield, IMHO.

Spot on, lacrow. We were at our best a few years ago when we had Bickley and K.Johnson at the bottom of the pack dishing out handpasses to McLeod, Riccuito and Goodwin. We still have the latter three but unfortunately no one to give it to them.

Its why we have to draft a couple of tough in-and-under midfielders in this years National Draft. It severely frustrates me (****es me off) that our "recruiters" haven't done so in the last three drafts. It makes me wonder whether they deserve the pay they get.

As for needing muscle, Reilly, Schuback, Hentschel, Watts, Bock and a few others need to spend a lot of time in the gym this summer. Its obviously impossible for Basset to put on muscle, and McGregor doesn't seem to good at it either.

 

[moses]

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As for needing muscle, Reilly, Schuback, Hentschel, Watts, Bock and a few others need to spend a lot of time in the gym this summer. Its obviously impossible for Basset to put on muscle, and McGregor doesn't seem to good at it either. [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree

 

[Stiffy_18]

Jesus people it will take time and I already see significant improvement compared to last year. We have started doing new weights program during the pre-season and we won't see results before next year. Some players put the weight on faster than others. Take Watts for example. When he came over he was a skinny tall kid. Now he has put on 6 kilos in his time here.

It can't happen over night.

Each on eo four youngsters is bigger compared to last year and McGregor is one solid boy . Just stand close to him. Even Kenny has build up muscle.

 

[Tas]

It is really hard for skinny kids to put on alot of mass quickly, especially when they work as hard as they do over summer.

If you have a lot of mass to begin with its not as hard to turn it into muscle, but footballers do not want to go nuts with mass because the first thing that happens is you slow down alot and still do not have as much strength.

To rip the body into a lean mean bulky fighting machine takes many years of development, especially if you do not want to lose pace your leg strength and development has to be on par with the upper body work.

AFL footballers really have to watch their conditioning, as soon as you add 5-10% of your mass it is much harder to keep the speed and endurance.

You do not want to see players look too slow and not have the endurance to run out games thus the development has to be over several years. It will probably take three odd years to really see noticable strength improvements.

 

[conVINCEd]

I totally agree and understand what both Tas and The Stiffmeister have said, which is why I'm more than happy for Reilly, Schuey and Watts to take a couple of years to develop.

Bock and Hentschel have been in the system a bit longer, and hopefully they should be able to increase their general strenth over the summer - not necessarily meaning huge biceps.

I've often wondered whether it is possible to determine whether or not a junior player will be able to easily bulk up once he is drafted.

Look at Matt Maguire from the Saints, he is still 19 yet is already 96kg, whereas Bassett is 27 (?), and finds it impossible to put on bulk. (And they are the same height)

When I claim my position as Recruiting Manager for the AFC in a few years time (), it's something I'll look into.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by McLeod23
I totally agree and understand what both Tas and The Stiffmeister have said, which is why I'm more than happy for Reilly, Schuey and Watts to take a couple of years to develop.

Bock and Hentschel have been in the system a bit longer, and hopefully they should be able to increase their general strenth over the summer - not necessarily meaning huge biceps.

I've often wondered whether it is possible to determine whether or not a junior player will be able to easily bulk up once he is drafted.

Look at Matt Maguire from the Saints, he is still 19 yet is already 96kg, whereas Bassett is 27 (?), and finds it impossible to put on bulk. (And they are the same height)

When I claim my position as Recruiting Manager for the AFC in a few years time (), it's something I'll look into.

Bock and Hentschel have been at the club for the same time as Reilly and Schuback . Reilly and Schuback were selected in 2001 National Draft. Hentschel, Rutten, Bock and Mattner did a preseason training with the club and were selected in Pre-season (Hentschel) and rookie drafts (the rest). I think that was the last year when the pre-season draft was held in January of the next year.

I think you can pick reasonably well who can put on weight easily and who will struggle. If you look at the build of the youngster, you can pick it out reasonably well. Generally if a kid has got broad shoulders he will fill out nicely. Someone like Scot Stevens or Ryan Fitzgerald will struggle.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by McLeod23
Look at Matt Maguire from the Saints, he is still 19 yet is already 96kg, whereas Bassett is 27 (?), and finds it impossible to put on bulk. (And they are the same height)

That might have something to do with Bassett's dietary concerns in regards to his diabetes though - not as if he can run around eating whatever he likes and all that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by dyertribe
That might have something to do with Bassett's dietary concerns in regards to his diabetes though - not as if he can run around eating whatever he likes and all that.

Very good point dyertribe. There have been a number of times this year where Bassett was getting some treatment during the game for his diabetes. I think he had one of those treatments at quarter time of the showdown.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Agree we need to get bigger, but compared to some clubs (Richmond, Nth Melb, Bulldogs) we're already huge.
Fact is size without talent, won't do the trick.
Kosi and Reiwoldt are not big at all, but their talent overcomes their lack of size.
We just lack a bit of talent, and some real physical type players.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Agree we need to get bigger, but compared to some clubs (Richmond, Nth Melb, Bulldogs) we're already huge.

Drew Petrie? Sav Rocca? Corey McKernan? Glen Archer? Leigh Brown?

They go more than alright for size and/or muscle.

 

[conVINCEd]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Bock and Hentschel have been at the club for the same time as Reilly and Schuback . Reilly and Schuback were selected in 2001 National Draft. Hentschel, Rutten, Bock and Mattner did a preseason training with the club and were selected in Pre-season (Hentschel) and rookie drafts (the rest). I think that was the last year when the pre-season draft was held in January of the next year.

Whoops, my bad, sorry. I didn't look up when they were drafted - just took an "educated" guess.

Also wasn't aware that Bassett had diabetes, thanks for that dyertribe.

(I feel like I know nuffink )

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Drew Petrie? Sav Rocca? Corey McKernan? Glen Archer? Leigh Brown?

They go more than alright for size and/or muscle.

Drew Petrie believe it or not is not that big, physique wise.
Rocca was born that size, and only just played his first game in a long long time.
Glen Archer I would agree, but every club has there solid players ie Biglands, Roo, Smart..
Leigh Brown is just fat!

Go beyond that group, and who else fits the bill?
Richmond, I swear our kids looked huge aginst their players, even Jerricho and Bock

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Drew Petrie believe it or not is not that big, physique wise.
Rocca was born that size, and only just played his first game in a long long time.
Glen Archer I would agree, but every club has there solid players ie Biglands, Roo, Smart..
Leigh Brown is just fat!

Go beyond that group, and who else fits the bill?
Richmond, I swear our kids looked huge aginst their players, even Jerricho and Bock

I reckon Jay Schulz has developed very well compared to last year. Last year he was a skinny kid not he is a strapping young man. He will fill out nicely I reckon.


Petrie is BIG and if Watts can develop that much I would be happy.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I reckon Jay Schulz has developed very well compared to last year. Last year he was a skinny kid not he is a strapping young man. He will fill out nicely I reckon.


Petrie is BIG and if Watts can develop that much I would be happy.

Yes Schulz is noticably bigger, might be my imagination but it also may have slowed him down a little in the shorterm.
Petrie, well we can disagree on that one, but watching him Sunday live, he appeared physically about the same as Cornes.
Now I saw Leppitch and he DID surprise me as to how big he is live compared to on TV.

Think Schulz has a reasonable future - still a bit early, and haven't seen enough of him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Think Schulz has a reasonable future - still a bit early, and haven't seen enough of him.

I think Schulz will be alright. Best memory I have of Schulz is when he played for Eagles reserves one week and Hentschel was coming back from injury via reserves. Those 2 blokes combined fantastically well and kicked 13 goals between them (Hentschel 7 and Schulz 6). That was a game where I thought to myself how good is this combo.

 

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Yes Schulz is noticably bigger, might be my imagination but it also may have slowed him down a little in the shorterm.
Petrie, well we can disagree on that one, but watching him Sunday live, he appeared physically about the same as Cornes.

Um...have you actually seen Cornes lately? He's got some rather big arms...there's a lot of muscle definition and size there...

 

[Nige_Bix]

I couldn't help but notice how much bigger and stronger the Essendon players looked compared to ours and given the way they brushed us aside it seemed like a contibuting factor to me!Of course there were other factors too, but when your side is being creamed it tends to stand out.

I'm sure a while back that the club did deliberately tone down the weights stuff, to concentrate on other fitness areas that they deemed more important. I hope you are right Stiffy about a new weights program - we need it!!

One other factor re last Friday, was that the Bombers didnt help us by not wearing Power jumpers! - that would have given us an extra bit of spark!!

 

[conVINCEd]

I think we lack players who like to hurt the opposition. On Friday night Essendon had Solomon, McPhee, Jason Johnson and Mark Johnson. Cupido and Rioli don't mind a bit of a snipe either.

We have Riccuito - and that's about it.

Me thinks we should draft some aggro kids.

 

[moses]

I totally agree with you Mcleod23. The crows need some players with a bit of aggro. Just look at players like Josh Carr who dont mind getting under the packs and stirrinp up the opposition

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by McLeod23
I think we lack players who like to hurt the opposition. On Friday night Essendon had Solomon, McPhee, Jason Johnson and Mark Johnson. Cupido and Rioli don't mind a bit of a snipe either.

We have Riccuito - and that's about it.

Me thinks we should draft some aggro kids.

We don't need aggro kids, but players with a hard attack on the ball.

 

[moses]

It would help to have the strong players that are willing to put their head down and attack the ball. We lacked that on friday against essendon

 

[Tas]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I reckon Jay Schulz has developed very well compared to last year. Last year he was a skinny kid not he is a strapping young man. He will fill out nicely I reckon.


Petrie is BIG and if Watts can develop that much I would be happy.

Petrie is a monster physically even though he looks light on. He is 101kg and he uses his weight very well, seen him bowl over some pretty big guys, shove some big heifer like Lance Witnall out of the way and is one of our club's best effective tacklers.

He will probably end up around 110kg when he gets older and not look overly bulky.

 

[spindoctor]

Petrie is as physical as a little girl.