My left wing friends...

[Tim56]

I have done the work for you...

New Zealand

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/

France

http://www.consulfrance-sydney.org/visas/index.en.htm

I think you'll be wanting 'long stay' visas...

Canada

http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Refugees-en.htm

I included refugees because under your definition, you probably are one...

http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Immigrating_to_Canada-en.htm

I can arrange to send over some Barossa Valley Chardonnay if so required...

 

[tribey]

Location: On the fine line between genius and insanity

Finally lose your balance?

 

[hoss]

I keep flushing, but you just won't go away....

 

[DaveW]

Canada and New Zealand make sense, but France?!

I guess it's not just Bill O'Reilly who seems to think Chirac is a leftist.

 

[Tim56]

Canada and New Zealand make sense, but France?!

I guess it's not just Bill O'Reilly who seems to think Chirac is a leftist.

He opposed the Iraq war, so I thought he would be in your good books...

 

[tribey]

He opposed the Iraq war, so I thought he would be in your good books...

Granted, but, he also repeatedly nuked Mururoa, and there's his whole anti-NZ sentiment stemming from the unpleasantness surrounding the Rainbow Warrior episode...

Tough call.

It's like, which one of your kids do you love more...

 

[Tim56]

Granted, but, he also repeatedly nuked Mururoa, and there's his whole anti-NZ sentiment stemming from the unpleasantness surrounding the Rainbow Warrior episode...

Tough call.

It's like, which one of your kids do you love more...

I don't think he can be blaimed for Rainbow Warrior, but anyway, the (to borrow a Jane expression) pseudo left tends to be very forgiving.

 

[tribey]

I don't think he can be blaimed for Rainbow Warrior, but anyway, the (to borrow a Jane expression) pseudo left tends to be very forgiving.

I never said he was to blame - fact is he was strongly critical of NZ at the time he succeeded Mitterand around '86.

 

[David Votoupal]

I never said he was to blame - fact is he was strongly critical of NZ at the time he succeeded Mitterand around '86.

Actually Chirac succeeded Mitterand as president in 1995, but had served as Prime Minister a couple of times IIRC prior to that under Mitterand.

 

[tribey]

Actually Chirac succeeded Mitterand as president in 1995, but had served as Prime Minister a couple of times IIRC prior to that under Mitterand.

Correct, my mistake.

I meant Chirac succeeded *Laurent Fabius as PM in 86.

 

[timelord]

I have done the work for you...

New Zealand

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/

France

http://www.consulfrance-sydney.org/visas/index.en.htm

I think you'll be wanting 'long stay' visas...

Canada

http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Refugees-en.htm

I included refugees because under your definition, you probably are one...

http://canadainternational.gc.ca/GTC/Immigrating_to_Canada-en.htm

I can arrange to send over some Barossa Valley Chardonnay if so required...

No point chucking those links at me - I can't go anywhere off the Aussie mainland.

 

[Docker_Brat]

He opposed the Iraq war, so I thought he would be in your good books...

Blowing kids up is fine.. interest rates are down.

 

[MGREG]

Blowing kids up is fine.. interest rates are down.

How many kids did Hawke and Keating blow up?

How many people did Gough let die in East Timor?

Left wing clap trap. YADA YADA YADA.

 

[Docker_Brat]

How many kids did Hawke and Keating blow up?

How many people did Gough let die in East Timor?

Left wing clap trap. YADA YADA YADA.

Actually I wouldn't want Labor to control the Senate either.

Left wing? If wanting to see a fair society for all (even if you're not a white Anglo-Saxon faux-Christian with 2.5 children, a mortgage and a handful of shares in Telstra) is left wing clap trap, so be it.

I'd be interested to see what people who think this result is so wonderful do for a living, perhaps ask the question in a years time if they still think it is fantastic.

 

[agitator]

dont worry about it, we stand on the brink of a glorious age, before us rolling to the horizon are unbroken vistas of verdant pasture, watered by sparkling mountain streams beneath azure skies.

we are indeed the lucky country and we are doubly lucky to have a supreme leader in john winston howard to guide us to the promised land.

 

[bunsen burner]

Actually I wouldn't want Labor to control the Senate either.

Left wing? If wanting to see a fair society for all (even if you're not a white Anglo-Saxon faux-Christian with 2.5 children, a mortgage and a handful of shares in Telstra) is left wing clap trap, so be it.

I'd be interested to see what people who think this result is so wonderful do for a living, perhaps ask the question in a years time if they still think it is fantastic.

Sorry to point out the obvious but democracy is as fair as it gets.

 

[MightyFighting]

You left out the Scandinavian countries, Timmy.





P.S. Go live in America.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Sorry to point out the obvious but democracy is as fair as it gets.

I guess we'll never stop businessmen laying off workers, reducing conditions and then accepting a multi-million dollar payout as thanks. I can understand the people who benefit from things like this cheering on John Howard, but what I cant understand is the people who cop it cheering him as well.. guess the latter deserve it now.

I think it is time to no longer give a stuff and see how much money I can make and not care if anyone suffers along the way.

 

[bunsen burner]

I guess we'll never stop businessmen laying off workers,
reducing conditions and then accepting a multi-million dollar payout as thanks.

There's more problems in life than just this one.

I can understand the people who benefit from things like this cheering on John Howard, but what I cant understand is the people who cop it cheering him as well..

Because they believe they will be better off with Howard than Latham. Very very simple concept. Why can't you understand this? Or is it all about you?

guess the latter deserve it now.

They're not in the same position as you so will probably be better off with Howard rather than Latham.

I think it is time to no longer give a stuff and see how much money I can make and not care if anyone suffers along the way.

You're being a tad completely melodramatic. This is the dumb chip-on-the-shoulder attitude from ALP supporters of yester year. Holds little relevance.

 

[medusala]

I think it is time to no longer give a stuff and see how much money I can make and not care if anyone suffers along the way.

The thing you loonies cant seem to get through your heads is that those people who make money tend to create wealth for the economy. Sure there are a few HIH type tossers but what about all those self employed people out there that employ others, pay huge amounts of tax etc. There would be no welfare state without them. If the top rate of tax was lowered to 30% you would find more self employed people earning more money and paying more tax and creating more wealth. Its not hard to understand but people like you, Crean and Macklin seem to have some blind idelogical obsession with everyone having the same share of a small piece of the pie rather than making the pie bigger. The idiot left in the UK in the 1970s had the tax rate on investment income at over 90%. End result the IMF was called in, the rich all went and lived in Spain and the economy went to the ********ter and the working poor lost their jobs in the millions. But at least the rich were getting soaked though.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Because they believe they will be better off with Howard than Latham. Very very simple concept. Why can't you understand this? Or is it all about you?

Yes they believe it to be so, however what happens when they realise they're not? Having Howard back in doesn't bother me, what does bother me is his increased majority. If you tell your partner a lie, they know it and then worship you more.. how do you feel about that person? What kind of respect do you have for them. Give people an inch and they take a mile. I just wanted Howard to get a scare so that he realised he cant blatantly lie to people, now he has a mandate to do whatever he wants.

You're being a tad completely melodramatic. This is the dumb chip-on-the-shoulder attitude from ALP supporters of yester year. Holds little relevance.

Not really, I'm all for a sustainable economy, however it has to be one that protects what's left of the environment or not at the expense of the average worker. Seeing people suffer from cancer because of the work they do, while the shareholders and managing directors make off like bandits offends me. Supposedly that makes me a 'loony lefty'.

 

[otaku]

No point chucking those links at me - I can't go anywhere off the Aussie mainland.

ever heard of a wonderful invention called a "boat"???

 

[bunsen burner]

Yes they believe it to be so, however what happens when they realise they're not?

But how do you know they won't be? Are you that naive that you think Latham would definitely be the better option?

This is real simple: People chose a person with an excellent track record of stability for a long period over an inexperienced candidate with a questionable economic record. They played the percentages and quite rightly so. We don't know if they're right or wrong just as we don't know going for the boundary line was the right decision in a footy game. We do know one thing though - Howard and the boundary line are playing the percentages and you can't blame people for playing them.

Having Howard back in doesn't bother me, what does bother me is his increased majority.

And why does he have an increased majority? The main reason is Latham is unknown, risky, and at worst a glorified car salesman. I look at Latham and by initial gut feeling tells me that this man should not be in charge of our country under any circumstances.

If you tell your partner a lie, they know it and then worship you more.

So why are John Howard's lies unacceptable whilst Latham's are acceptable?

how do you feel about that person?

I wouldn't tolerate a partner or friend lieing to me on a regular basis. But they are not politicians.

Once again - why is Latham's lies ok and Howard's not?

I just wanted Howard to get a scare so that he realised he cant blatantly lie to people,

So do I, and it would have happened had ALP supplied a better alternative. You can't blame individual people for what happened. They voted for Howard rather than Latham, not for power of the Senate.

now he has a mandate to do whatever he wants.

Once again unfortunate, but that's how our system works.

Not really, I'm all for a sustainable economy, however it has to be one that protects what's left of the environment or not at the expense of the average worker.

Ahh, the old union/worker rules chip on the shoulder crap.

Strong economies provide low unemployment. Plenty of jobs for most. Workers are adequately protected in this day and age. There is a good balance - workers have plenty of jobs available, they have their rights protected, and there is enough incentive for people to start businesses that increase jobs.

The unions of the 80s became too powerful and needed to be put in their place. It was a regular occurance that people were striking because of trivial reasons such as the microwave in the lunchroom was broken.

There needs to be a balance between rights of workers and incentive for people to start businesses in order to increase growth and supply jobs.

This 'the worker is most important' attitude is dumb attitude that is detrimental to the economy which funnily enough includes workers.

Seeing people suffer from cancer because of the work they do, while the shareholders and managing directors make off like bandits offends me. Supposedly that makes me a 'loony lefty'.

It's not desirable, but how you relate this directly to the Coalition I don't know. Yes it does happen and it's always happened (under ALP too). But it is a small problem relative to other isuues. What's more, giving more widespread power to workers as you previously suggested is not the answer to this problem.

ps If it is such an issue then why didn't Latham use it as a main drawcard?

 

[bunsen burner]

ever heard of a wonderful invention called a "boat"???

Stop it, he's quite enjoying feeling sorry for himself and thought he was making some ground in convincing people to feel sorry for him.

 

[otaku]

Yes they believe it to be so, however what happens when they realise they're not?

then he will get voted out at the next election. It is why we have them. Funny that, eh?

Having Howard back in doesn't bother me, what does bother me is his increased majority. If you tell your partner a lie, they know it and then worship you more.. how do you feel about that person? What kind of respect do you have for them. Give people an inch and they take a mile. I just wanted Howard to get a scare so that he realised he cant blatantly lie to people, now he has a mandate to do whatever he wants.

Obviously people see that under howard, they will have a better standard of living. It is what our society wanted. Live with it.