Nathan Ablett

[martyk]

That's a stupid post. When you have Bartel and Ablett in the centre, it has nothing to do with whether or not opposition teams rate them enough... what it comes down to is do they rate them above Bartel and Ablett?

Joel Corey has had one good tag and got creamed.. maybe they will tag him from now on for that reason. Thing is, when he isn't winning the ball(rare) there is no way it's worth tagging him or Enright because they don't hurt by foot... A tag for Enright is absolutely wasting a man because he just hangs out the back and doesn't use the ball that well anyway.

However, you consistently said that he would not improve, and that he would continue to hurt the team. This is where you need to eat some humble pie. And don't give us this, 'he was still beaten' and 'doesn't get the good forwards'. He was in our top 10 players by seasons end, and was dominant in several games, including on some dangerous forwards.

Consistantly?? You'll have to spend more countless hours digging those posts up too loser. Are you saying he didn't get beaten by good forwards?? If so you are dead wrong!! Top 10?? So he was next in line for AA selection was he?? Pfft.. go run and hide... I remember a period in the first half of the season when he had a lot more goals against than the other defenders.. well and truly.

Give me some dangerous forwards he was dominant on please?? When games were in the balance early in season.. eg Rnd 1 - demolished by B.Johnson(like always), Saints game at TD / when game in balance - demolished by Reiwoldt. His marking ability is his strength... he's never been that great as a key defender and terrible by foot.

After that you as good as agreed with my point that Nath was our worst player excl Byrnes/Tenace, but made excuses for him... If he needs all this development then do it in the VFL and give other guys a chance.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

martyk still hostile even after we've won the flag.

 

[martyk]

martyk still hostile even after we've won the flag.

Only to losers who spend their time digging up old posts because I stuck it to them so hard throughout the year and they want a go back. Pathetic isn't it?

Just goes to show how I'm respected on here... If they all thought what I said was garbage, why would they spend all this time digging my posts up? Why bother? Well??

 

[Tonycam*]

Only to losers who spend their time digging up old posts because I stuck it to them so hard throughout the year and they want a go back. Pathetic isn't it?

Just goes to show how I'm respected on here... If they all thought what I said was garbage, why would they spend all this time digging my posts up? Why bother? Well??

Marty , you could be the Jerry Springer of Big Footy

 

[spanna050]

Heck, he nearly got dropped late in the season when we really have nothing else quality enough to bring in the side.

He did?? Despite media speculation, he was never close to being dropped.

Or maybe you're on the selection panel and know more than the rest of us.

 

[Cattery]

Consistantly?? You'll have to spend more countless hours digging those posts up too loser. Are you saying he didn't get beaten by good forwards?? If so you are dead wrong!! Top 10?? So he was next in line for AA selection was he?? Pfft.. go run and hide... I remember a period in the first half of the season when he had a lot more goals against than the other defenders.. well and truly.

Give me some dangerous forwards he was dominant on please?? When games were in the balance early in season.. eg Rnd 1 - demolished by B.Johnson(like always), Saints game at TD / when game in balance - demolished by Reiwoldt. His marking ability is his strength... he's never been that great as a key defender and terrible by foot.

Wouldn't it be easier to just admit that you were wrong about Harley [ dead wood, chop it down, will be a passenger for the remainder of the season, can only play KP and nowhere else ] were your comments about him and if you still stick by them then I guess it's pointless debating with you.

Even Scarlett and Egan have had bad games throughout the year so it's no point knocking Harley for doing the same thing, especially early on, has been an important cog in our defence and had a great year.

 

[sarah.13]

Hunt?? Funny how he consistently plays on the most dangerous opposition forwards.. No way are any of our defenders weak links.. Nath and Byrnes are the weakest atm.

Hunt is a DUD,refuses to back into oncoming traffic,his disposal is sooo over rated.He should be traded for whatever we can get.If it wasn't for Harley leaving his man to help him out he would of cost us the granny.

 

[rainmaker]

what rubbish
you will never have 22 stars
as for the taller ablett, in 2 years he will be awesome
needs some mongrel and will kill it
all hail mr ablett

 

[JUBJUB]

He did?? Despite media speculation, he was never close to being dropped.

Or maybe you're on the selection panel and know more than the rest of us.

Come on spanna,don't you know by now that everything the media says is true ?

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Marty , you could be the Jerry Springer of Big Footy

I would welcome that possibility! Jerry...Jerry...Marty...Marty...!

 

[Partridge]

What is your point? Nath has had 3 seasons with lots of opportunities at senior level, all of the above have not. If Nath doesn't start producing in '08 (4th season), the club MUST give someone else a chance. I know everyone wants the 'Ablett' kid to succeed, and I realise he will be given every chance... Problem is there will come a time when we NEED him to kick goals / perform to WIN games. He has been carried through '07 with very little reliance.
'08 will be the shape up or ship out year for Nath...

You're kidding right? Nathan Ablett played the massive total of 4 games in 2005, and a whopping 7 games in 2006. You think that is lots of opportunities? This year was the first time he became an regular senior player.

As I said elsewhere, they know what they are doing.

 

[cancat]

A bloke phoned up Triple M (so it must be true) this morning and said Nathan had played his last game of footy and was joining the priesthood. Remember where you read it first!

 

[geelong_boy]

A bloke phoned up Triple M (so it must be true) this morning and said Nathan had played his last game of footy and was joining the priesthood. Remember where you read it first!

My boss told me this last week, given everything he's told me so far about the GFC has been wrong - ie. rumour-wise - I'd say it's crap.

 

[someday-somehow]

Only to losers who spend their time digging up old posts because I stuck it to them so hard throughout the year and they want a go back. Pathetic isn't it?

Just goes to show how I'm respected on here... If they all thought what I said was garbage, why would they spend all this time digging my posts up? Why bother? Well??

Because they haven't realised yet that you aint worth the effort! A few posters might mill around you and yell "fight fight fight" but I reckon you're a tosser, and I don't think I'm alone.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

A bloke phoned up Triple M (so it must be true) this morning and said Nathan had played his last game of footy and was joining the priesthood. Remember where you read it first!

I can just see Nathan going around to all and sundry telling people he intends to join the priesthood with the eventual hope it would be splashed all over the media...tabloids and prime news...I am sure thats exactly whats happened and exactly what Nathan intended by spilling his guts to everyone he sees.

...or its a pile of rubbish.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

A bloke phoned up Triple M (so it must be true) this morning and said Nathan had played his last game of footy and was joining the priesthood. Remember where you read it first!

I can just see Nathan going around to all and sundry telling people he intends to join the priesthood with the eventual hope it would be splashed all over the media...tabloids and prime news...I am sure thats exactly whats happened and exactly what Nathan intended by spilling his guts to everyone he sees.

...or its a pile of rubbish.

 

[hbk_aus]

I can just see Nathan going around to all and sundry telling people he intends to join the priesthood with the eventual hope it would be splashed all over the media...tabloids and prime news...I am sure thats exactly whats happened and exactly what Nathan intended by spilling his guts to everyone he sees.

...or its a pile of rubbish.

Somebody just has to have a word with him and let him know that most priesthood positions require some sort of public speaking (apart from monks)...that should stop any chance of it happening...

 

[Partridge]

A bloke phoned up Triple M (so it must be true) this morning and said Nathan had played his last game of footy and was joining the priesthood. Remember where you read it first!

Interesting. I have considered this for some time now, and can only conclude with the one word that truly fits this story, and correctly sums up it's value.

Bollocks.

 

[cancat]

Sorry guys, I wish I hadn't mentioned it now. My comment was meant to be tongue in cheek. I did hear it on the radio but it is obviously complete crap.

 

[cat in sydney]

Joel Corey has had one good tag and got creamed.. maybe they will tag him from now on for that reason. Thing is, when he isn't winning the ball(rare) there is no way it's worth tagging him or Enright because they don't hurt by foot... A tag for Enright is absolutely wasting a man because he just hangs out the back and doesn't use the ball that well anyway.
You still haven't proven that neither of them are rated by opposition teams. All you're saying is that they are not rated as highly as Ablett and Bartel, which no footy follower would disagree on.
Why would teams choose to use their ONE tagger on Corey? Would you prefer to have Corey untagged and getting 32 touches and Ablett 19, or would you prefer to tag Corey so he gets 16 touches and Ablett 34? Exactly my point. Corey will never be tagged because we have star midfielders in our team. He is still very good (highlighted by the amount of hard ball gets and clearances he averages), but he is not as damaging because of his skills. As if the other teams don't rate him though.


Consistantly?? You'll have to spend more countless hours digging those posts up too loser. Are you saying he didn't get beaten by good forwards?? If so you are dead wrong!! Top 10?? So he was next in line for AA selection was he?? Pfft.. go run and hide... I remember a period in the first half of the season when he had a lot more goals against than the other defenders.. well and truly.
What posts have I spent countless hours digging up??? I only have to use up one brain cell in my head to recall all the pathetic vitriol you served up about Harley. I have much better things to do than search for your posts.

Give me some dangerous forwards he was dominant on please?? When games were in the balance early in season.. eg Rnd 1 - demolished by B.Johnson(like always), Saints game at TD / when game in balance - demolished by Reiwoldt. His marking ability is his strength... he's never been that great as a key defender and terrible by foot.
There you go again... "early in the season". Hold your head up high because that is the only thing that is giving your stance any hint of credibility. Yes, he wasn't great early on in the season (he had half a game in Rd1, then his first game back was something like Rd10 after a long injury), but by the end of the season, he demonstrated not only that he was worthy of being in the best 22 for his playing ability, but for his leadership skills as well.

After that you as good as agreed with my point that Nath was our worst player excl Byrnes/Tenace, but made excuses for him... If he needs all this development then do it in the VFL and give other guys a chance.
What other guys!???! I just said that if we had 'other guys', then by all means give them a shot. Who would have played better? Charlie? Playfair? Hawkins?
No, he's not as good as he will become, and no, he's not quite up to AFL standard yet imo, BUT he is the only option we had for that position. So until you can give us a payer who undoubtedly would have performed better in that role, then you have lost the argument (which everyone else on here agrees you have).

As I've said before, I enjoy your ravings on here, you help make this board lively. But you're coming off a bit like a teenaged kid who knows they're wrong, but they're ego is too big to allow them to admit it, so they keep debating, and do it louder and louder, thinking that at some point people will agree.
But sadly, in your case, it's not happening.

 

[catpounce]

NATHAN ABLETT

STRENGTHS
Natural Ability- Undoubted. Smooth skills near even both sides of his body.
Reading the Play- 8/10 is in perfect position to take the mark. Marks 4/10 and free kick 1/10. His positioning makes it hard for the opponent to stop him without giving away a free kick.
Control of the ball- Almost always gets first touch on the ball and once it is actually in his hands he is wonderful.
Height + Athleticism- A very athletic 197cm and we don't have much height.

Weakness
Lack of Strength- Will come he is only YOUNG! He did not emerge form the womb and AFL champion just like the rest of us he still has to work hard to get their.
Inexperience- 39 Games. Most developers talk about the window of 40-60 games where a player starts to really emerge and the cream rises to the top. *Cough Joel Selwood follow the bloody rules! Cough*. For tall players it is typically longer. Give him a bloody chance!
Confidence- Seems to only play well once he gets a bit of a touch early. Really needs to develop some self-belief.

As for the media, he easily the most relaxed of all Abletts around the media. Is confident in front of the camera, not to the extent of Shane Crawford where he is a clown, but answers the questions asked to him. Not shy but not outgoing just like the majority of footballers.

Motivation, does he seem like the sort of guy who would do something he doesn't want to do? Ultimately he chose to play for Geelong it is what he wants to do. Don't question his motivation.

Hawkins, not yet a threat, but there is room for both easily. Cameron Mooney ( Top 3 CHF in AFL ), The two best, by head and shoulders, HF flankers with the option of adding a one G Ablett for short spells, Matthew "better every game' Stokes in a pocket and Nathan and Hawk taking turns to sit in the goalsquare for the quick long bomb or charge straight down the centre for mark after mark . No complaints there.

There is no problem with Nathan Ablett, football, development, media whatever, so stop trying to find one.

 

[costanza23]

There is no problem with Nathan Ablett, football, development, media whatever, so stop trying to find one.

Hooray! Thank you. Many people have this problem with Nathan, which I don't understand. I even have to try and convince my mates (who are Geelong supporters) that Nath is doing fine, maybe even better, than what should be expected of him.

Compare other 21 year-old key forwards at other clubs and see how they're doing. I bet not many would have played 30+ games and kicked 45+ goals already.

 

[Maximus76]

Hooray! Thank you. Many people have this problem with Nathan, which I don't understand. I even have to try and convince my mates (who are Geelong supporters) that Nath is doing fine, maybe even better, than what should be expected of him.

Compare other 21 year-old key forwards at other clubs and see how they're doing. I bet not many would have played 30+ games and kicked 45+ goals already.

and won a premiership!

 

[Copernicus]

Hooray! Thank you. Many people have this problem with Nathan, which I don't understand. I even have to try and convince my mates (who are Geelong supporters) that Nath is doing fine, maybe even better, than what should be expected of him.

Compare other 21 year-old key forwards at other clubs and see how they're doing. I bet not many would have played 30+ games and kicked 45+ goals already.

Don't worry about it, some people will never be convinced.

He could kick 60 goals next year and there will be those who say he's a dud. For some reason, the same thing applied to Moons this year (around AA time I saw him called a hack and a dud by numerous people).

I'm pretty happy with his development but there's no doubting he has a ton of improvement left in him. He'll be an out and out gun if he can work up to it.