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Kappa said:
Nathan had OVER 13 months recovery from his original hamstring injury to his first VFL game, apparently that's rushing him back though...

He missed the 2015 season because his hamstring healed incorrectly (which had nothing to do with how quickly/slowly he came back). You are quite clearly making up lies to suit a theory.
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Nathan also expressed many times he didn't think his hamstring was ok and was still in discomfort. Low and behold he plays 4 vfl games and goes in for more surgery. Your club didn't exactly do right by him and was partly the reason for him moving on
 
stavro#4 said:
Nathan also expressed many times he didn't think his hamstring was ok and was still in discomfort. Low and behold he plays 4 vfl games and goes in for more surgery. Your club didn't exactly do right by him and was partly the reason for him moving on
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Who did he express that to? When did you overhear him expressing that?

As most people already know, he went in for more surgery because his healing hamstring created scar tissue that attached itself to the tendon, that's the reason he went back in for more surgery, not because he was "rushed back". You are clearly making things up, apparently you know all these things only people in the inner sanctum at Collingwood would know yet you don't know the basic history of Freeman's time in the AFL system.
 
Kappa said:
Nathan had OVER 13 months recovery from his original hamstring injury to his first VFL game, apparently that's rushing him back though...

He missed the 2015 season because his hamstring healed incorrectly (which had nothing to do with how quickly/slowly he came back). You are quite clearly making up lies to suit a theory.
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And when Freeman returned to training from his hamstring injury he told your club on numerous occasions that it didn't feel right and that he felt that he couldn't extend it fully or reach maximum power, only to be told it was fine and to keep going. It wasn't until after an extended period that your club finally admitted that something wasn't right and investigated, finding scar tissue had developed around the original injury and this was the reason he didn't feel right.
If I'm making up lies to suit a theory then I suggest you go and ask your high performance manager Billy Davoren for the truth on Nathan Freeman.
 

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Moorabbin Ghost said:
And when Freeman returned to training from his hamstring injury he told your club on numerous occasions that it didn't feel right and that he felt that he couldn't extend it fully or reach maximum power, only to be told it was fine and to keep going. It wasn't until after an extended period that your club finally admitted that something wasn't right and investigated, finding scar tissue had developed around the original injury and this was the reason he didn't feel right.
If I'm making up lies to suit a theory then I suggest you go and ask your high performance manager Billy Davoren for the truth on Nathan Freeman.
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So Davoren told you everything... right?

Amazing how everyone has the inside word on what happened in the inner sanctum :rolleyes:

So you think our entire fitness and medical staff simply ignored Freeman, despite missing a YEAR with his hamstring injury when he said it didn't feel right.. actually not even ignore, they told him it was fine... that's bordering on criminal negligence, but an entire team of medical professions.. yep... sure buddy.
 
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Kappa said:
Who did he express that to? When did you overhear him expressing that?

As most people already know, he went in for more surgery because his healing hamstring created scar tissue that attached itself to the tendon, that's the reason he went back in for more surgery, not because he was "rushed back". You are clearly making things up, apparently you know all these things only people in the inner sanctum at Collingwood would know yet you don't know the basic history of Freeman's time in the AFL system.
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Your actually assuming alot if you think it was as simple as, there's scare tissue there let's have more surgery. I am well aware that Freo had one major injury, his hammy in the pre season game. I am also well aware that freeman and his family were very upset with how he was managed during the two years at the pies with this injury. I am also aware that on top of that you low balled him with a contract offer compared to the offers he got at the saints and elsewhere.

The truth is that freeman advised you guys that he was still having issues and for whatever reason the pies didn't act and he became disgruntled. People don't just up and leave organisations if they are happy. But seeing as you call me and Ghost liars please elaborate on the truth. I am happy to bet we would have info closer to the pulse then you.
 
Kappa said:
So Davoren told you everything... right?

Amazing how everyone has the inside word on what happened in the inner sanctum :rolleyes:
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No, Davoren didn't tell me that. Nobody from Collingwood told me a thing. You don't think Freeman has told St Kilda exactly what happened? I'm saying if you don't believe me go and ask Billy.
 
Kappa said:
So Davoren told you everything... right?

Amazing how everyone has the inside word on what happened in the inner sanctum :rolleyes:

So you think our entire fitness and medical staff simply ignored Freeman, despite missing a YEAR with his hamstring injury when he said it didn't feel right.. actually not even ignore, they told him it was fine... that's bordering on criminal negligence, but an entire team of medical professions.. yep... sure buddy.
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I know for a fact what Ghost and Stav are saying is correct. Sounds like your just disgruntled because you lost possibly the next Dangerfield for next to nothing to a smaller club.
 
saintsman24 said:
I know for a fact what Ghost and Stav are saying is correct. Sounds like your just disgruntled because you lost possibly the next Dangerfield for next to nothing to a smaller club.
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We got Aish as a replacement.. I'm not really that disgruntled.

I don't have a lot of faith in Freeman's long term prospects, and that is without any biased.
 
Kappa said:
When Buckley or Balme says that I'll take notice... Offering Freeman another contract doesn't really mean much, he was a former top 10 pick.
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Did you miss the entire trade period?? Your club was pretty upset with freeman leaving...
 

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Joffaboy said:
Hard to be when a filth idiot comes on spouting ignorant idiocies.

Eff the filth and their horde of toothless Bogans especially ones that come on to our board spouting bullshit
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I like your posts Joffa but can't help wishing you were a little more passionate and honest! :)
 
Kappa said:
So Davoren told you everything... right?

Amazing how everyone has the inside word on what happened in the inner sanctum :rolleyes:

So you think our entire fitness and medical staff simply ignored Freeman, despite missing a YEAR with his hamstring injury when he said it didn't feel right.. actually not even ignore, they told him it was fine... that's bordering on criminal negligence, but an entire team of medical professions.. yep... sure buddy.
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Mate you are making a fool of yourself. You don't know who you are talking to.
 
Kappa said:
You are clearly making things up, apparently you know all these things only people in the inner sanctum at Collingwood would know yet you don't know the basic history of Freeman's time in the AFL system.
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Unless Collingwood do all these tests and so-on on someone (in this case Freeman) and then keep all the results and so-forth to themselves and don't tell them about what they believe is going on with their own bodies, that is an extraordinarily stupid thing to say.

Freeman has been out of the CFC for months now, do you really think he hasn't told anyone at his new club about what he went through there and what his issues or concerns were? Extraordinary!
 
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Lol and on the topic of Collingwood, Freeman went in for a medical evaluation from the Saints before we offered him a contract to come across. From the info we gathered from that evaluation, the club was told they could most definitely repair Freezer's hammies and that he'd be back playing significant footy if we did X,Y, and Z. Collingwood got wind of the report and then immediately offered him a longer term deal for more money than our offer, lmao. How nice of them...

It's a testament to Freeman that he didn't baulk on our offer and ended up coming across despite the new offer put to him by the Pies. He came to us for less because he evidently wasn't being handled properly at Collingwood.
 
Moorabbin Ghost said:
I like your posts Joffa but can't help wishing you were a little more passionate and honest! :)
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Yeah. I know.
Look we have blokes like toxic and Lance Uppercut and other non Sainters on here who are opiniated but respectful.
Have no problems with those type of supporters, they are valued and important.

I just rail at ignorance and disrespect t on our board.
On the rare times I venture on to other club boards I am nothing but respectful which is the least one can do.

This kappa halfwit got exactly what he deserved.
 

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Lets all try and be reasnable here. You might be unhappy with Kappa's replies. But how about trying to beat him with logic?
Rather then using words to the effect "filth supporters" toothless supporters" he was getting booed by the scum. He left becouse they were negligent towards him and tried to destroy his career
At no point did Kappa call your club filth or scum! Correct me if i am wrong. Even if you think his points are unreasnable
Its the worst kept secret that Freemans family are from the east and they have some afiliation to the saints Yes his father believes his son was not rehabilatated the way he should have been. They took advantage of the above, he got offered a way better deal at the saints and they took it good luck to the kid.
But to openly say Collingwood tried to criple him and destroy his career is a joke in its self. Collingwood i would think becouse of there resourses would spend more money in there medical departnent then the saints
I didnt see Riewoldt leaving when he was copping hammies every second week 5 or 6 years ago.
 
I agree Collingwood have the best medical team and did not intentionally mismanage Freeman. Rather Freeman felt he was mismanaged because when he reported pain it wasn't immediately investigated.
There was also a rumor that Buckley told him he was being soft when he was complaining about pain which seemed to be confirmed by Buckley's comments about Freemans problems following him.
I think the straw for Freeman was the 1 year min contract and thats when the Saints came in. Collingwood then offered to match the Saints offer which suggests that they tried to low ball Freeman or thought putting him under contract pressure would motivate him.
I think most kids get pretty attached to the club that drafts them but when things are not working and your looking for a change sentiment may be a factor.
I think the bigger factor was that he felt it would be easier to get into the first 22 and that he would be a priority with our medical team.
 
12kilos said:
Lets all try and be reasnable here. You might be unhappy with Kappa's replies. But how about trying to beat him with logic?
Rather then using words to the effect "filth supporters" toothless supporters" he was getting booed by the scum. He left becouse they were negligent towards him and tried to destroy his career
At no point did Kappa call your club filth or scum! Correct me if i am wrong. Even if you think his points are unreasnable
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Just to touch on this point, I certainly don't encourage the use of terms like that on here, but it's an unfortunate reality of BigFooty. This is the St Kilda board and as such, St Kilda posters have a lot more lenience when it comes to what they post and any opposition supporter is a (welcomed, at first) guest but has a lot less lenience. A St Kilda poster using the term 'filth' on the Pies board wouldn't last long I'm sure you can agree with.

As for the rest of your post, this doesn't look like something we're going to agree on any time soon. Perhaps in time Freo will tell all, hopefully it won't be until he releases his biography in about 15 years :P
 
I hardly think Saints fans have been welcomed with open arms on the Freeman thread on the Pies board, which is basically an all out slagging match against the kid.
 
12kilos said:
Lets all try and be reasnable here. You might be unhappy with Kappa's replies. But how about trying to beat him with logic?
Rather then using words to the effect "filth supporters" toothless supporters" he was getting booed by the scum. He left becouse they were negligent towards him and tried to destroy his career
At no point did Kappa call your club filth or scum! Correct me if i am wrong. Even if you think his points are unreasnable
Its the worst kept secret that Freemans family are from the east and they have some afiliation to the saints Yes his father believes his son was not rehabilatated the way he should have been. They took advantage of the above, he got offered a way better deal at the saints and they took it good luck to the kid.
But to openly say Collingwood tried to criple him and destroy his career is a joke in its self. Collingwood i would think becouse of there resourses would spend more money in there medical departnent then the saints
I didnt see Riewoldt leaving when he was copping hammies every second week 5 or 6 years ago.
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No, he didn't, because we aren't and like it or not that's the stereotype of your club and its supporters, one which you're very happy to play up to at times to excuse the terrible behaviour of some of your supporters and to maximise your marketing appeal to that demographic.

What you WILL find on your board is the endless repetition of trumpeting our lack of ultimate success, our perceived hopelessness and calling us things like 'the Aints' and saying we're pathetic.

Every board lives is a glass house - or in your mob's case, probably robbed one ;) - and if we shouldn't throw stones, neither should you.

Otherwise, as Armitage2Riewoldt said, we're not going to agree on the rest. If it bothers you, I suggest you don't read it.
 
I thought Freeman left because his heartstrings love the Saints and his hamstrings hated the Pies. Could be wrong. ;)
 

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